Can curse and prayer kill someone?

[pink1]

I was wishing for some people to die, so i was cursing them to die and also i was praying to God to die and after a few days later they really died.

Did they die because of my curse and prayer to God to die?

 

[Kevin Ambrose]

It's really hard to say. There's evidence that curses work but just thinking about it isn't the same as a Satanic curse which almost always involves a ceremonial bartering of sorts. Also God certainly didn't take a life simply because you wished/prayed it.

But regardless of that you should pray and repent. Seek peace in our Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I was wishing for some people to die, so i was cursing them to die and also i was praying to God to die and after a few days later they really died.

Did they die because of my curse and prayer to God to die?

No. Only God can put a curse into effect. Our human lips have no power to do so. And if all we can do is point to the fact that Noah used a curse, that isn't saying much.

So, no, I don't think those people died because you said a falsely motivated prayer. They died simply because they are mortal, and it happens to everyone, sooner or later.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[Dave-W]

Only God can put a curse into effect.

Really? Do you not think the devil also can do that?

 

[Kevin Ambrose]

Really? Do you not think the devil also can do that?

There's been a lot of compelling proof in the history of the occult of successful curses. Almost always upon those who have rejected the Holy Spirit (ie. other Satanists).

I'd be interested to hear a Biblical interpretation of what is said to be possible and what is not in this regard.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Really? Do you not think the devil also can do that?

I don't think the devil gets to do other than what God permits him to do, Dave. Maybe I'm wrong.

Also, the context of my response to Pink is in assuming that Pink is as said, an "Eastern Orthodox." So, if this is a Christian who is supposedly sending a curse, then we may assume that something isn't quite right with his/her underlying theological assumptions as they pertain to so-called "curses."

That's why I said it the way I said it.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[2PhiloVoid]

There's been a lot of compelling proof in the history of the occult of successful curses. Almost always upon those who have rejected the Holy Spirit (ie. other Satanists).

I'd be interested to hear a Biblical interpretation of what is said to be possible and what is not in this regard.

The closest thing you're going to get in the New Testament is this (below), but in reading it, I think we need to be very careful in understanding it's context(s) and application:

The Lesson of the Withered Fig Tree (Mark 11:20-24)
20 Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away.”

22 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Have faith in God. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.​

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[Dave-W]

I don't think the devil gets to do other than what God permits him to do, Dave. Maybe I'm wrong.

I completely agree. But if Job and Peter are examples, HE does let the devil do a lot, at least on occasion.

if this is a Christian who is supposedly sending a curse, then we may assume that something isn't quite right with his/her underlying theological assumptions as they pertain to so-called "curses."

I can agree with that also. But I have known some very knowledgeable Christians who let their emotions get the better of them and start praying witchcraft prayers; not unlike James and John asking the Lord if they should pray for fire to fall on their enemies:

Luke 9:54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”

The Lord resoundingly corrected them, saying they were operating in the wrong spirit. (a demon spirit perhaps?)

55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;

 

[Dave-W]

The closest thing you're going to get in the New Testament is this, but in reading it, I think we need to be very careful in understanding it's context(s) and application:

Here is an example from the OT:

2 Kin 2.23 Then he [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.

And don't forget this NT example:

Acts 5.1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6 The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

7 Now there elapsed an interval of about three hours, and his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter responded to her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for such and such a price?” And she said, “Yes, that was the price.” 9 Then Peter said to her, “Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out as well.” 10 And immediately she fell at his feet and breathed her last, and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.

 

[archer75]

In my opinion, curses are not effective.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Here is an example from the OT:

2 Kin 2.23 Then he [Elisha] went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.

And don't forget this NT example:

Acts 5.1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and kept back some of the price for himself, with his wife’s full knowledge, and bringing a portion of it, he laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5 And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last; and great fear came over all who heard of it. 6 The young men got up and covered him up, and after carrying him out, they buried him.

7 Now there elapsed an interval of about three hours, and his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter responded to her, “Tell me whether you sold the land for such and such a price?” And she said, “Yes, that was the price.” 9 Then Peter said to her, “Why is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out as well.” 10 And immediately she fell at his feet and breathed her last, and the young men came in and found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.

Well...for one, if we are chosen to live under the provinces of the New Covenant rather than subsisting in the Old, then we are under a different spiritual economy, aren't we? Sure, in the O.T. we see a bona-fide prophet of God enacting a curse. He wasn't just 'anybody.'

And in the case of Peter, well.........it wasn't Peter that was ultimately lied to, now is it? Neither was it Peter who put into effect the 'curse' in this instance, even though he has some authority as an apostle. No, it was GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT who did the killing of Ananias and Sapphira. Peter didn't lay a hand on them. And this just proves my earlier point. All Peter did was pronounce what the HOLY SPIRIT had already decided. We need to get this theology straight, or we're going to make a 'poopy' mess in the church, which I'm pretty sure the Lord doesn't smile upon.

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

this is a troll. This site is good because so few trolls are on it. UGH!

 

[Dave-W]

Well...for one, if we are chosen to live under the provinces of the New Covenant rather than subsisting in the Old, then we are under a different spiritual economy, aren't we? Sure, we see a bona-fide prophet of God enacting a curse. He wasn't just 'anybody.'

I do not see as much of a difference between OT and NT as many who adhere to the lie of replacement theology do. It is a continuum, not a hard break between the 2.

 

[Dave-W]

this is a troll.

Why do you think that?

 

[Brian Mcnamee]

I have been on other discussion boards for years and have seen many trolls I see anew member 1st post is claiming they have prayed for people to die and they died, Who prays for people to die that is a Christian? this is not something any Christian would ever do. Then to pray for your own death. This shows that you have no idea what being a Christian is and you are posting ridiculous ideas to get a reaction.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I do not see as much of a difference between OT and NT as many who adhere to the lie of replacement theology do. It is a continuum, not a hard break between the 2.

How do you know that I subscribe to "Replacement Theology"? I don't. And I agree there is a continuum. But we don't really see Christians in the New Testament operating under the identical assumptions that Old Testament prophets were, either. Under the New Testament, everything is now tempered by mercy and grace first, even in the case of Ananias and Saphira. (They didn't go to hell; rather, they got a first class, early-bird express ticket to be in the presence of the Lord).

Most of what we see in the New Testament befits what James said:

James 3:8-10

8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? 12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.
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I would say that what James tells us here is that as Christians, our words along with our physical actions should be pure and without a tendency to be angry and curse other human beings. (Which coincides with Jesus' admonition given to James and John in that passage you cited earlier.)

However, if someone comes along and is a bona-fide prophet of God, then let him (or her) do the honors of pulling down appropriate curses as they are led by the Holy Spirit to do so. But none of us should assume that we are bona-fide prophets until God shows up to direct us that this is the case, as well as to validate that office He's given us.

 

[Dave-W]

even in the case of Ananias and Saphira. (They didn't go to hell; rather, they got a first class, early-bird express ticket to be in the presence of the Lord).

We do not know that.

 

[JackRT]

The only evidence that curses actually work is when the victim is absolutely convinced that they do work. The acute physical, emotional and spiritual stress that is induced in that person seems to debilitate them to the point that it might seem like the curse is working. Other than that, I do not believe in curses at all. A prayer for that purpose seems to go against almost everything that Christians believe in. A curse or a prayer that someone die is an extreme form of hatred and in the long run will be damaging to the person doing the hating.

 

[JacquelineDeane55]

Why would he curse someone? That is very mean and unloving of him, in my opinion. We are supposed to be loving towards others, not hateful. Luckily I have never ever wished ill will on anyone.

I rebuke the op in Jesus' Name.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

We do not know that.

Regardless of whether or not Ananias and Sapphira made it to heaven, it wasn't Peter who enacted a curse upon them.