The Magnitude of the End of the Age

[Goatee]

Never before have we had so many people who have the answer! (Wrong ones at that!)

 

[SilvaMay]

I understand that people are naturally curious about the end days, what will be happening etc. (me including). But isn't it distracting? I mean: it is not our issue. We ought trust Jesus and accept whatever is to come. The parts in Gospel that says about the end days etc. are supposed to remind us that we need to be always "awake" and ready for it...IMO. Our thing to do in life to follow Jesus, build our relationship with Him and spread Gospel, joy and peace in this "crazy" world or ours.

Like this quote says:
"Instead of spending a lot of time worrying about it (the end of the world), start spending a lot of time about How can i get more people into eternity with me? That is going to be your joy. ... So instead of studying the end time, study how to get people saved. And when you do that you're laying up treasure in heaven."

God Bless

 

[JacksBratt]

What we also have is governments hungry for power and willing to influence the populace by planting seeds, knowing they imply things such as fulfilling prophecy, no different than scare tactics to sell the public on laws for taxes, mandatory health care, speed limits or gun control for example.. so prophecy from God, or politicians?

Do you really think that our governments are doing all of this as a tactic to simulate scripture? I'm pretty sure that it is only a small handful of the public that are even vaguely aware of the prophesies anyway.

And then, Do you think that all the governments of this world could synchronize the events of military conflict, people in power, government agenda's, and coincide with the celestial events and technology that we see emerging?

I think, as Christians, we should be aware of what's coming and at the same time live our lives like it we would if it was not.

We should be educated enough to understand the social, environmental, economical, military, political and scientific events and conditions so that we are prepared and knowledgeable. However, live like it will not happen in our lifetime.

It may not happen in the next 30 years. It may happen next month. However, to say that all the events described are just metaphors and it never will happen. Or to say that they have already happened...is to greatly underestimate the truth of the scripture.

 

[Achilles6129]

I find your thinking to be in tension with I Corinthians 15 (the sequence laid out for us there) as well as what we find in I Thessalonians 4:13-18. But seems sadly that your mind is very much made up and set on your theory.

I'd be happy to discuss it if you want to show your thinking regarding those two passages.

 

[Achilles6129]

I have no idea about Revelations, it's still on my "to get to list". Pretty scary, and i have an ostrich mentality so...

My parents did teach me about the Rapture however, and i am under the impression that this will happen before all of the devastation predicted in Revelations... so i never felt any urgency to studying Revelations.

Did i get the wrong message delivered? Must i worry?


And:

Really? There is some speculation on this side of the world that he may have been voted to power in 2016. But like i just said i dont know the last book and these are others opinions that i hear.

You could try some commentaries on the book of Revelation. They have some that are outstanding. Here are some links:

The Book of Revelation (The New International Greek Testament Commentary): G. K. Beale: 9780802871077: Amazon.com: Books

The Book of Revelation (The New International Commentary on the New Testament): Robert H. Mounce: 9780802825377: Amazon.com: Books

Revelation 1-7 Exegetical Commentary (Wycliffe Exegetical Commentary): Robert L. Thomas: 9780802492654: Amazon.com: Books

 

[The Times]

You are reading it at 'face value'. Scripture can be more that just reading it!

You are, like many others, getting lost in its modern interpretation and what is happening in the world.

Throughout history there has been massive upheavals, wars etc etc. You are putting 2 & 2 together and coming up with whatever number suits you!

I would agree with you and in this respect Jesus even summed up this from a historical context, that he prophesied before those historical events took place.

Jesus said.....

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. (Matthew 24:6)

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:6)

The above verse sums up Christianity that is now spread in every country around the globe, including the Indians of the Americas continent. Jesus is using this summary to sum up the new testament age from the 1st hour workmen to the last or 11th hour workmen before his coming.

Then Jesus causes a focal alert point to the following change of events by saying......

15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

This is a two part message, one that is to all faithful concerning the abomination that maketh desolate and the other which is independent of the first message is uniquely to the Jews who live in Judea, known as Israel today.

So Christ prophesied that the state of Israel would be established for the Jews after he initially stated that not one stone will be left upon another, pointing to the 70AD prophesy that was again future from when he spoke these words.

So Jesus prophesied that Jerusalem will fall, whereby it did and then again it is established yet again, where Jews will occupy the land again. The importance of this prophesy highlights that the second part of the message of Matthew 24:16 is uniquely to the Jews and not gentiles who again occupy the land after the original prophesy of Jerusalem falling in 70AD.

The abomination that maketh desolate does not uniquely tie in with only the Jews from a locality point of view, rather if you note the (whoso readeth, let him understand) as a pause conjunction that separetes the first and the second statements, as they are independently and not dependently related. Yes the abomination that maketh desolate will be setup, but this is not uniquely a localised abomination, but one that is on a global scale.

The abomination that maketh desolate is not only related to the Jews who will reoccupy Jerusalem, but also relates to a global endemic that is part and parcel of the falling away from the faith. Remember what Jesus said as a prelude to this warning that serves as a focal point of no return....

12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,

There is a point where the coldness of love is so extreme and selfishness abundant that this time presents a focal point of no return in man's history, where the mother of all events that has never happened before will happen out in the open eyes of the public and at the same time be afforded the protection to flourish without opposition, where the falling away will conscript once shepherds of congretations to serve that lie. Read Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:9.

So what is the abomination or most hated thing in God's eyes that will bring swift desolation/destruction?

Remembering this thing has never happened in history before from global application.

It is the introduction of an autonomous law of tolerance that focuses to serve the creature rather than the Creator. Previously there were no known historical autononous cultures that presented subjective morality, as most even pagen cultures were theonomous that served the gods or in the case of Israel the one true God.

This autononous culture has now revealed out in the open the man of sin, the abomination that maketh desolate who sits in the temple of his/her body and serves their heart's desire. Homosexuality and transgender agenda is the lie and this focal point of no return in history has never happened before and now this movement has global legislative protection, where the theocratic governmental authority who allowed it to practice secretly, has now blessed it to practice openly, hence the man of sin has been revealed in his time, which is our day and age.

Here are my two threads exposing this lie and the apostacy by head religious figures who are now serving this lie, within the tolerance directive of an autonomous law society.

The Man of Sin has been revealed in our day and age, the Great Falling Away has begun!

The Highway to Hell from Homosexuality to Transgenderism to Transhumanism to annihilation

What are the signs? Same as people have been seeing since Christianity began? Every world crisis / war etc?

Your signs are before your eyes and history is the chronology to what specific event the abomination of desolation is, that represents the focal point of no return.

Homosexual and Transgender society that eventually leads to Transhumanism.

Hence Jesus would say....

“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

The word flesh is like the days of Noah an irreversible blemish upon the human race through a Transhumanistic global society.

At the same time, a false earthly Christ is introduced within the global elitte Luciferean antichrist reign, that all must pay homage to as the leader of tge utopia of transhunanist Luciferean agenda.

 

[Achilles6129]

Listen to Paul and what he told Timothy:

2 Timothy 3:1-5

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."

Did you catch that? These words are not accusations against those in the world. Heck, they have lived like that throughout eternity. These words are talking about God's own people.

I disagree. The last part of the passage (having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof) is talking about religion. But the rest of the passage seems to be talking people who are outside of religion.

 

[Achilles6129]

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:6)

The above verse sums up Christianity that is now spread in every country around the globe, including the Indians of the Americas continent. Jesus is using this summary to sum up the new testament age from the 1st hour workmen to the last or 11th hour workmen before his coming.

Actually I think that passage is referring to the two witnesses in Rev. 11.

 

[The Times]

Actually I think that passage is referring to the two witnesses in Rev. 11.

Jesus is the author of Revelation and Jesus in Matthew refers to Daniel, but doesn't mention the two witnesses.

The events that Jesus warns us about is the abomination that maketh desolate who now is out in the open. Paul stated that the secret power of lawlessness was already at work during his time in rebelious children of disobedience.

 

[parousia70]

The seals are about to be opened.

When you say that, do you mean the same thing the apostles meant when they said it 1900+ years ago, or do you mean something different?

 

[4x4toy]

I would agree with you and in this respect Jesus even summed up this from a historical context, that he prophesied before those historical events took place.

Jesus said.....

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. (Matthew 24:6)

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:6)

The above verse sums up Christianity that is now spread in every country around the globe, including the Indians of the Americas continent. Jesus is using this summary to sum up the new testament age from the 1st hour workmen to the last or 11th hour workmen before his coming.

Then Jesus causes a focal alert point to the following change of events by saying......

15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

This is a two part message, one that is to all faithful concerning the abomination that maketh desolate and the other which is independent of the first message is uniquely to the Jews who live in Judea, known as Israel today.

So Christ prophesied that the state of Israel would be established for the Jews after he initially stated that not one stone will be left upon another, pointing to the 70AD prophesy that was again future from when he spoke these words.

So Jesus prophesied that Jerusalem will fall, whereby it did and then again it is established yet again, where Jews will occupy the land again. The importance of this prophesy highlights that the second part of the message of Matthew 24:16 is uniquely to the Jews and not gentiles who again occupy the land after the original prophesy of Jerusalem falling in 70AD.

The abomination that maketh desolate does not uniquely tie in with only the Jews from a locality point of view, rather if you note the (whoso readeth, let him understand) as a pause conjunction that separetes the first and the second statements, as they are independently and not dependently related. Yes the abomination that maketh desolate will be setup, but this is not uniquely a localised abomination, but one that is on a global scale.

The abomination that maketh desolate is not only related to the Jews who will reoccupy Jerusalem, but also relates to a global endemic that is part and parcel of the falling away from the faith. Remember what Jesus said as a prelude to this warning that serves as a focal point of no return....

12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,

There is a point where the coldness of love is so extreme and selfishness abundant that this time presents a focal point of no return in man's history, where the mother of all events that has never happened before will happen out in the open eyes of the public and at the same time be afforded the protection to flourish without opposition, where the falling away will conscript once shepherds of congretations to serve that lie. Read Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:9.

So what is the abomination or most hated thing in God's eyes that will bring swift desolation/destruction?

Remembering this thing has never happened in history before from global application.

It is the introduction of an autonomous law of tolerance that focuses to serve the creature rather than the Creator. Previously there were no known historical autononous cultures that presented subjective morality, as most even pagen cultures were theonomous that served the gods or in the case of Israel the one true God.

This autononous culture has now revealed out in the open the man of sin, the abomination that maketh desolate who sits in the temple of his/her body and serves their heart's desire. Homosexuality and transgender agenda is the lie and this focal point of no return in history has never happened before and now this movement has global legislative protection, where the theocratic governmental authority who allowed it to practice secretly, has now blessed it to practice openly, hence the man of sin has been revealed in his time, which is our day and age.

Here are my two threads exposing this lie and the apostacy by head religious figures who are now serving this lie, within the tolerance directive of an autonomous law society.

The Man of Sin has been revealed in our day and age, the Great Falling Away has begun!

The Highway to Hell from Homosexuality to Transgenderism to Transhumanism to annihilation



Your signs are before your eyes and history is the chronology to what specific event the abomination of desolation is, that represents the focal point of no return.

Homosexual and Transgender society that eventually leads to Transhumanism.

Hence Jesus would say....

“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

The word flesh is like the days of Noah an irreversible blemish upon the human race through a Transhumanistic global society.

At the same time, a false earthly Christ is introduced within the global elitte Luciferean antichrist reign, that all must pay homage to as the leader of tge utopia of transhunanist Luciferean agenda.

Interesting friend, How does Nimrod and his tower in Babylon relate to Mystery Babylon ?

 

[parousia70]

I'll go with what is written, plainly, in God's word.

Revelation 1:1-3

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at near.

What about "Must shortly take place" and "the time is near" PLAINLY says to you "2000 years"?

Unless this is one scripture you do NOT "take plainly as it is written", and instead apply an elastic, spiritual, metaphoric interpretation to suit your bias??

 

[Gideons300]

I disagree. The last part of the passage (having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof) is talking about religion. But the rest of the passage seems to be talking people who are outside of religion.

That seems to be selective reasoning. He is talking about the characteristics of people in the last days. Can you name a time that those in the world did not act in this manner? But in the final days, we see a Laodecian spirit infiltrate oir churches. We divorce like those in the world, we want what the world values, and yet "That can't be talking about us, right?"

It can.... and sadly, is.

Blessings,

Gideon
.

 

[JacksBratt]

When you say that, do you mean the same thing the apostles meant when they said it 1900+ years ago, or do you mean something different?

Is there a specific scripture that you are referring to, or just throwing out a statement without any basis.

 

[JacksBratt]

Revelation 1:1-3

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at near.

What about "Must shortly take place" and "the time is near" PLAINLY says to you "2000 years"?

Unless this is one scripture you do NOT "take plainly as it is written", and instead apply an elastic, spiritual, metaphoric interpretation to suit your bias??

Well, there are two explanations.
1/ Time to God is different than time to us, as explained here:

II Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
...8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2/ The term "shortly come to pass" is referring to the fact that once the events start, they will happen in rapid succession.

Either way, it is obvious that the events have not yet occurred and that the technology and world political, military, economical and spiritual stage is set.

Otherwise see my post #63 where I said:

It may not happen in the next 30 years. It may happen next month. However, to say that all the events described are just metaphors and it never will happen. Or to say that they have already happened...is to greatly underestimate the truth of the scripture.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

I'd be happy to discuss it if you want to show your thinking regarding those two passages.

It will involve a lot of back and forth; I'm willing, but will sait to start tomorrow.

 

[The Times]

Interesting friend, How does Nimrod and his tower in Babylon relate to Mystery Babylon ?

I don't know but do please explain. Thanks

 

[keras]

The Shofar Blast Zephaniah 1:16

Ezekiel 7:1-9 This is what the Lord says about the Land of Israel: Disaster is coming to all the earth and now the end is upon you as well. I will send My wrath to judge everyone according to their ways and deeds. Doom is coming to all who live in the holy Land. I will have no pity, nor spare you for I shall bring you to account for your disgusting conduct and abominable practices.
The time has come, the Day is near - a Day of panic and not rejoicing. Very soon, I will pour out My fury and spend My anger. All will face judgement. Everyone who refuses to acknowledge Me and those whose sinful practices are an abomination, will suffer the consequences.

Ezekiel 7:10-19 Here is the Day! Doom is approaching! Violence has bloomed and grown into the full flower of wickedness. It bursts upon them and nothing is left of those godless people, all they worked for will be gone. The appointed time has come. The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath has arrived, it will affect everyone because of the many sins of the people who kept on with their godless ways. The trumpet of war sounds, but no one goes to war, for the wrath of God will fall upon them all.

The great sword of punishment appears: all will be terrified, hands will hang limp and knees will be wet with urine. Idols and money cannot save anyone on the terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery anger. Treat your gold and silver like something unclean and throw it away with your detestable idols, be ashamed of yourself and repent in sackcloth and ashes.

Those in open country will die and in the cities plague and famine will kill them. If any manage to escape to shelter, there the Lord will kill them, each for his own iniquity. Ref: REB, CJB, NIV. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.

The Lord will send His wrath, His great sword of punishment will appear in the sky. Nahum 1:6, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1 The Lord Himself will not be visible, but His punishment will be seen before it arrives on earth. Psalm 18:7-15, Isaiah 34:1-5

A Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude will be blasted out from the sun, Isaiah 30:26, 2 Peter 3:10, first the bright flash, then the sun will be darkened and the moon will glow red, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, then everyone will be aware of its imminent arrival. All will know that within hours, their doom will arrive and will be so terrified they will wet their pants. Isaiah 13:6-8, Ezekiel 21:7, Luke 21:26
Violence will blossom into full flower: the enemies of Israel commence their attack with rockets and nuclear missiles. Psalm 83:1-8, Psalm 7:12-16, Micah 4:11 But there will be no war, for the wrath of the Lord will fall upon both attackers and defenders. Doom will come upon all who live in the holy Land. Jeremiah 3:10 The holy Land: all that area given to Abraham – from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:18
The holy Land will be virtually depopulated, even those who manage to find shelter from the extreme heat of this CME, will be killed by the storms, earthquakes and tsunamis of that Day. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Amos 9:1-4, Revelation 6:12-17
A Jewish remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 31:5, Zephaniah 1:18, Zechariah 13:7-9

Riches and manmade things of worship are useless. Isaiah 2:20, Rev 3:17

Zechariah 3:9-10 In a single Day, the Lord will wipe out the offences and apostasy of the holy Land. When that time comes, says God Almighty, you are to invite one another to come and enjoy the fruits of your vines and fig trees.
The Lord’s Christian people: gathered and settled in a fruitful Land, living in peace and security, at last how He intended them to be and ‘a light to the nations’. Isaiah 62:1-5

 

[iamlamad]

I don't know but do please explain. Thanks

"Mystery Babylon" refers to the city of Jerusalem during the time the Beast and False Prophet will be deceiving the ENTIRE WORLD from their headquarters city: Jerusalem!

It will be related to Babylon by way of worshiping false gods.

 

[iamlamad]

Revelation 1:1-3

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at near.

What about "Must shortly take place" and "the time is near" PLAINLY says to you "2000 years"?

Unless this is one scripture you do NOT "take plainly as it is written", and instead apply an elastic, spiritual, metaphoric interpretation to suit your bias??

It is only "one day." What is your rush? "After two days" it will be time.
God will be right on time!