The most hated command of Jesus... (video)

[sparow]

For the most part I think you are right. I would say that the teaching about our attitude toward works is important and I have no problem with addressing problems in this area. Sometimes we do have problems with pride and thinking of ourselves more highly than we should. There's no point in denying that and it's good practice to keep coming back to this issue and asking, "am I being proud about my good works"? It should be habitual for us to do this with ourselves.

However, I don't see that anyone on this thread, or anyone in the video was being proud or boasting about their own obedience. The video gives information on what the teaching is, why the author believes it's being ignored my the majority of Christianity today, and why it's important to go about correcting that problem.

For people to say that it is teaching salvation by works just comes across as a knee-jerk reaction. If the love of mammon (money and the things money can buy) really is the root of all evil, then it stands to reason that confronting this root will not only be tricky but incredibly difficult for us, too.

It is not easy; no two persons lives are the same. I believe that pride is an attribute of God, jealousy is. Many things control men; but man is supposed to be in control of his behaviour, which is keeping the commandments of God; so jealousy is a problem when not controlled.

Most people equate keeping the Law as trying to earn ones salvation; and people who stand around not committing sin are going nowhere. Jesus did not stand around not committing sin, Jesus was very busy.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Disobedience to certain of the Lord's Commands will lead to a believer's destruction of both their body and soul in Gehenna or the Lake of Fire by the Lord.

Ok, well at least we can agree that God wants obedience. That's what the video is promoting, too, only it's not promoting obedience for the sake of obedience, but rather exploring the reasoning behind why we should obey this teaching, and also presenting some reasons for why some people choose to disobey.

(b) It wrongfully teaches Man Directed Works Salvationism and not God Directed Works Salvationism.

Luke 14:33 . It's right there, Jason. No matter how much you nit-pic about the difference between sanctification and justification, God won't be impressed. He'll want to know what you did with the teachings of his son.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Most people equate keeping the Law as trying to earn ones salvation; and people who stand around not committing sin are going nowhere. Jesus did not stand around not committing sin, Jesus was very busy.

Yup, busy working his way to Heaven with all that obedience! XD

 

[Zayin7]

Loved the video. It is an exciting challenge, and I love the promises that God gave to supply our needs.

On a practical note I believe that the bible also speaks about working with our hands to make money for ourselves so that we wont be a burden to others, and, that Paul also was a tentmaker to make money for himself.

But to be honest when I was a new christian I did look at the money thing to measure up the christians around me.

One man who can be very inspiring in this area is Torben Sondergaard. He lived in basements with his family for a substantial number of years because he and his wife had decided that
1) we all have 24 hours at our disposal
2) we keep a job to pay for .... stuff ....
3) maybe we can cut down on that job and not have those stuff
4) they had tasted something and they went for it
Today he runs a worldwide ministry, which is fast growing.

More people should read his book "sound doctrine"

 

[Endtime Survivors]

More people should read his book "sound doctrine"

Sounds like a band name.

 

[Andrewofthetribe]

I believe your video is a mad dash for men to amass to themselves good works thinking that in the end they will be weighed in the balance and come out okay

Why not just preach the GOSPEL

For there are those who will have a part in THE FIRST RESURRECTION who need no direction from men

How did Jesus tell us to preach the gospel when it wasn't even written?

 

[Endtime Survivors]

How did Jesus tell us to preach the gospel when it wasn't even written?

Because the good news is spirit, not just words on paper (John 6:63).

By the way, what did you think of the content of the video? The crux of the issue is Luke 14:33. Any thoughts?

Don't forget the PS in post #52 (On page 3)

 

[Andrewofthetribe]

Because the good news is spirit, not just words on paper (John 6:63).

By the way, what did you think of the content of the video? The crux of the issue is Luke 14:33. Any thoughts?

Sorry I can't watch it. I live in a caravan so my internet data is precious.
I agree the good news is spirit.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Here is another video on this topic of the most hated command of Jesus.

It's a response from all the feed-back the author received as a result of the first video.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Sorry I can't watch it. I live in a caravan so my internet data is precious.
I agree the good news is spirit.

Ahh, I know the feeling. Sorry about that, Andrew. The teaching in question is Luke 14:33, but is also only part of the bigger picture of dealing with materialism.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

UPDATE: I've edited the OP to include all three videos on this topic, now. They are continuations of one another.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Ok, well at least we can agree that God wants obedience. That's what the video is promoting, too, only it's not promoting obedience for the sake of obedience, but rather exploring the reasoning behind why we should obey this teaching, and also presenting some reasons for why some people choose to disobey.

Jesus said you can do nothing without me (John 15:5).

Luke 14:33 . It's right there, Jason. No matter how much you nit-pic about the difference between sanctification and justification, God won't be impressed. He'll want to know what you did with the teachings of his son.

Again, read the context of Luke 14. Nowhere will you find anything about the giving up of houses, etc. Luke 14:26 is the context of Luke 14:33. Luke 14:26 is talking about family and not material goods. Granted, I do believe you cannot be rich and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe certain believers can let their possessions be idols to them (Which may prevent them from entering God's Kingdom). But Luke 14:33 is not saying for you to forsake all your material goods because if that was to be understood literally to the farthest extent, then you would have to be running around the street preaching to people while you were naked and without food.

Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house" (Luke 10:38).

If it was a sin to own your own house, then why did Jesus condone Martha's ownership of her own house by entering her house?

Also, one of the early disciples still owned his own home (of which some of the disciples had stayed at).

"Some of the disciples from Caesarea accompanied us and brought us to the home of Mnason, where we were to stay. He was a man from Cyprus and one of the early disciples" (Acts 21:16 NIV).

Notice. The disciples who stayed at his home did not condemn him for still having his own home. In other words, you are seeing something that is not specifically stated in Luke 14 and you are ignoring other verses in God's Word that refutes your false thinking here.

Please address these verses by replying with words and Scripture within this thread and not in a video. Thank you. I am not going to watch an updated video. I imagine most people are not going to keep re-watching the same video over and over (Which is slightly updated).


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[Endtime Survivors]

Hi all. Here's another follow-up to the original video, dealing more specifically with various concerns and complaints people have expressed regarding the application of Luke 14:33.

 

[Zayin7]

Hi all. Here's another follow-up to the original video, dealing more specifically with various concerns and complaints people have expressed regarding the application of Luke 14:33.

sound "nicey pie ". but its just promoting communal living - which has mostly been unsuccessful as far as evangelizing the world and ends up being an environment where stronger personalities dominate and control weaker ones .-in short disastrous . in the book of acts they "began to live like that .. and god quickly allowed persecution to comes and scattered them OUT where they were far more effective DOING the gospel rather then walling it into little communities

 

[Endtime Survivors]

and ends up being an environment where stronger personalities dominate and control weaker ones .

Hi, Zayin7. Thanks for your contribution. Running away from circumstances which force us to confront these various problems doesn't help, either.

What you describe will be there in any kind of group or organization where 2 or more people try to work together. The point of Christian community is that we're supposed to overcome the various problems that come with trying to work together, like dealing with our selfishness, laziness, pride, and greed.

Yes, some of the Christians were scattered as a result of persecution, but that was not God trying to break up the unity they had with one another. That makes no sense. Even those scattered people still needed other Christians to live and work with, and that's what Paul was dealing with in all his epistles to the various communal churches he wrote to.

That's what 1 Corinthians 6 deals with, too; the Christians learning how to wisely and fairly settle disputes among one another. Paul spent a lot of time trying to counsel the early Christians on how to more effectively be united in their service to Christ and to one another.

So, your comments about God wanting people to be scattered to their own personal, private lives where they don't have to worry about someone else telling them to stop being lazy, or greedy, or proud or whatever just isn't consistent with what Jesus or Paul taught.

 

[Zayin7]

Hi, Zayin7. Thanks for your contribution. Running away from circumstances which force us to confront these various problems doesn't help, either.

What you describe will be there in any kind of group or organization where 2 or more people try to work together. The point of Christian community is that we're supposed to overcome the various problems that come with trying to work together, like dealing with our selfishness, laziness, pride, and greed.

Yes, some of the Christians were scattered as a result of persecution, but that was not God trying to break up the unity they had with one another. That makes no sense. Even those scattered people still needed other Christians to live and work with, and that's what Paul was dealing with in all his epistles to the various communal churches he wrote to.

That's what 1 Corinthians 6 deals with, too; the Christians learning how to wisely and fairly settle disputes among one another. Paul spent a lot of time trying to counsel the early Christians on how to more effectively be united in their service to Christ and to one another.

So, your comments about God wanting people to be scattered to their own personal, private lives where they don't have to worry about someone else telling them to stop being lazy, or greedy, or proud or whatever just isn't consistent with what Jesus or Paul taught.

ahh bit thats not what i said . i said the video is promoting communal living and its a know proven fact that communal living does not evangelize the world .
And that the only time it occurred in scripture .god allowed it to quickly stop . becaseu it is the nature of thr carnal flesh to gather and once comfortable stay there and therefore not fulfil the great commission to GO OUT into the world to seek and save the lost .we can do this in twos and threes and more . just don't set up a camp in the bush and hide there controling the others around you .thats never been the goal of God in building HIS ecclesia

 

[Zayin7]

Sounds like a band name.

ok and now that you've had a giggle and mocked something you know nothing of.. you should go and read the book .

 

[Endtime Survivors]

i said the video is promoting communal living and its a know proven fact that communal living does not evangelize the world .

Well, it's a proven fact that people often find it difficult to get along when they live together, but I don't see how you can say it's a fact that people learning to live and work together in love doesn't evangelize the world. The opposite is true. Jesus said the world will know us by our love for one another, which is exactly what it takes to live communally (i.e. love for one another).

And that the only time it occurred in scripture .god allowed it to quickly stop .

Nah, it didn't stop. It expanded. Eventually it did become less popular, though, probably because people just got tired of trying.

becaseu it is the nature of thr carnal flesh to gather and once comfortable stay there and therefore not fulfil the great commission to GO OUT into the world to seek and save the lost .

Communal living may seem comfortable at first, especially when people have the idea that everything will be rainbows. But over time it takes real patience, love, and courage to continue living with people we may have personal disagreements with, but who still have the same basic vision of serving Christ.

Most communities fail because they don't want all the hassle that comes with trying to live with other people.

just don't set up a camp in the bush and hide there controling the others around you .

The video didn't teach this kind of thing at all. It strongly emphasized the need to go out into the world, but it also suggested that we'll have better success if we do so as a team, rather than each individual living their own private, selfish, lifestyles.

Don't you think team work is a good thing?

 

[Endtime Survivors]

ok and now that you've had a giggle and mocked something you know nothing of.. you should go and read the book .

If there is a portion of the book relevant to the topic, please feel free to share it.

 

[Zayin7]

If there is a portion of the book relevant to the topic, please feel free to share it.

The whole book is relevant.because while every one is running around debating end times they waste their time.Jesus is not coming back for those with the best end time doctrine.but those obeying him.