What Evolutionists Deny

[Speedwell]

I don't see anything in the word of God that supports evolution either

Sorry

Why would you expect it to? Evolution was not discovered until millennia after Genesis was written.

 

[miknik5]

Why would you expect it to? Evolution was not discovered until millennia after Genesis was written.

Of course

It is a result of the affect and effect of the fall

 

[miknik5]

Wait until GOD no longer holds things back

Then we will see some very profound changes

 

[Gene2memE]

An evolving and moving away from the ORIGINAL SOURCE and DESIGN

I do not and never have believed that somehow we evolved out of and into what we are today

I do not believe that man was ever an ape

Man is an ape. To save time, I'll just quote the Australian Museum:

Humans are primates, but the primates that we most closely resemble are the apes. We are therefore classified along with all other apes in a primate sub-group known as the hominoids (Superfamily Hominoidea).

This ape group can be further subdivided into the Great Apes and Lesser Apes. Humans have bodies that are genetically and structurally very similar to those of the Great Apes and so we are classified in the Great Apes sub-group which is also known as the hominids (Family Hominidae).​

Humans, by taxonomic definition, are apes.

And I certainly don't believe that atoms randomly joined to create not only the male partner but his female counterpart as well

That's fine, but I don't think anyone else on the planet believes this either. That appears to be a desperately ill-informed strawman sketch of universal common ancestry. It skips about 3.8 billion years of biological development.

I believe GOD created man and all the lower created things.

Which is fine.

However, if you seek to challenge well evidenced arguments about the nature of reality and the history of biological diversification, your evidence should be at least as good, if not better, than that which supports the current understanding.

I do believe changes over many years were more the result of an affect which effects all

Adaptions which benefitted us so that we continued to survive is more GOD's GRACE in allowing man to never be completely destroyed

I believe we are "evolving" (changing) and creation is wearing down

That "evolution" is more a moving away from than a moving towards a perfected end

We lost that after we fell and were sent from the garden of GOD.

THAT PERFECT HOME

And that fall affected and effected everything

All these are beliefs and claims, unsupported by evidence.

I'm not comfortable with the beliefs you hold - as I think they're ill formed - but I'm fine with you holding them.

However, if you seek to bastardise the Theory of Evolution in order to into it into the framework of the Christian creation account, then I have an issue.

So, I'd like to ask you:
What evidence can you present that "creation is wearing down", that there was ever a "perfected" biological state, that there was a "fall" and that it "effected everything"?

 

[miknik5]

Man is an ape. To save time, I'll just quote the Australian Museum:

Humans are primates, but the primates that we most closely resemble are the apes. We are therefore classified along with all other apes in a primate sub-group known as the hominoids (Superfamily Hominoidea).

This ape group can be further subdivided into the Great Apes and Lesser Apes. Humans have bodies that are genetically and structurally very similar to those of the Great Apes and so we are classified in the Great Apes sub-group which is also known as the hominids (Family Hominidae).​

Humans, by taxonomic definition, are apes.



That's fine, but I don't think anyone else on the planet believes this either. That appears to be a desperately ill-informed strawman sketch of universal common ancestry. It skips about 3.8 billion years of biological development.



Which is fine.

However, if you seek to challenge well evidenced arguments about the nature of reality and the history of biological diversification, your evidence should be at least as good, if not better, than that which supports the current understanding.



All these are beliefs and claims, unsupported by evidence.

I'm not comfortable with the beliefs you hold - as I think they're ill formed - but I'm fine with you holding them.

However, if you seek to bastardise the Theory of Evolution in order to into it into the framework of the Christian creation account, then I have an issue.

So, I'd like to ask you:
What evidence can you present that "creation is wearing down", that there was ever a "perfected" biological state, that there was a "fall" and that it "effected everything"?

No

All this will be made clear in the end

 

[miknik5]

Man is an ape. To save time, I'll just quote the Australian Museum:

Humans are primates, but the primates that we most closely resemble are the apes. We are therefore classified along with all other apes in a primate sub-group known as the hominoids (Superfamily Hominoidea).

This ape group can be further subdivided into the Great Apes and Lesser Apes. Humans have bodies that are genetically and structurally very similar to those of the Great Apes and so we are classified in the Great Apes sub-group which is also known as the hominids (Family Hominidae).​

Humans, by taxonomic definition, are apes.



That's fine, but I don't think anyone else on the planet believes this either. That appears to be a desperately ill-informed strawman sketch of universal common ancestry. It skips about 3.8 billion years of biological development.



Which is fine.

However, if you seek to challenge well evidenced arguments about the nature of reality and the history of biological diversification, your evidence should be at least as good, if not better, than that which supports the current understanding.



All these are beliefs and claims, unsupported by evidence.

I'm not comfortable with the beliefs you hold - as I think they're ill formed - but I'm fine with you holding them.

However, if you seek to bastardise the Theory of Evolution in order to into it into the framework of the Christian creation account, then I have an issue.

So, I'd like to ask you:
What evidence can you present that "creation is wearing down", that there was ever a "perfected" biological state, that there was a "fall" and that it "effected everything"?

The only proof that I can give you is my own testimony THAT GOD, by HIS SPIRIT revealed the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL of HIS SON to me

That no man taught it to me and that I had never read THE WORD until after HE revealed THE TRUTH by HIS SPIRIT

And because HE did...all things are in relation
To HIM and inferior and temporal

HIS WORD is TRUTH

What I do not know is still weighed in light of the knowledge and the truth of GOD

And HE comes out sovereign over all things temporal and passing

 

[Speedwell]

The only proof that I can give you is my own testimony THAT GOD, by HIS SPIRIT revealed the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL of HIS SON to me

That no man taught it to me and that I had never read THE WORD until after HE revealed THE TRUTH by HIS SPIRIT

And because HE did...all things are in relation
To HIM and inferior and temporal

HIS WORD is TRUTH

What I do not know is still weighed in light of the knowledge and the truth of GOD

And HE comes out sovereign over all things temporal and passing

That's all good and true, but where does your interpretation of scripture come into it? And why do you take such such an attitude to those who love the Lord as much as you do but interpret Genesis differently?

 

[miknik5]

That's all good and true, but where does your interpretation of scripture come into it? And why do you take such such an attitude to those who love the Lord as much as you do but interpret Genesis differently?

How else can it be interpreted

 

[miknik5]

I can't see how anyone can change the interpretation of the creation account

 

[KWCrazy]

When I consider "evolution" I consider and know that the fall caused an affect that effected all
To me "evolution" is no more than change due to that fall

To the evolution believer Genesis is a lie.
God did not create man, man evolved.
It didn't take God six days, it took billions of years and God had nothing to do with it.
The garden of Eden never existed.
The fall of man is a lie.
The flood is a lie.
The Fourth Commandment is based on a lie.
When something is left to interpretation it could be misinterpreted. When it is written in plain text and it's not true then it's a lie. Evolution can only be true if the Bible is a lie.

 

[KWCrazy]

And why here on a Christian forum where all believe in CHRIST would one be offended when one speaks about CHRIST?

Not all on here believe in Christ.
Not all who believe in Christ have faith in the Bible.

 

[miknik5]

To the evolution believer Genesis is a lie.
God did not create man, man evolved.
It didn't take God six days, it took billions of years and God had nothing to do with it.
The garden of Eden never existed.
The fall of man is a lie.
The flood is a lie.
The Fourth Commandment is based on a lie.
When something is left to interpretation it could be misinterpreted. When it is written in plain text and it's not true then it's a lie. Evolution can only be true if the Bible is a lie.

Thank you

 

[miknik5]

Not all on here believe in Christ.
Not all who believe in Christ have faith in the Bible.

Great

 

[KWCrazy]

So what are you saying? That it is impossible for a Christian to accept evolution?

I'm saying that anyone who believes in the Scriptures and in evolution has a firm understanding of neither.

 

[miknik5]

I'm saying that anyone who believes in the Scriptures and in evolution has a firm understanding of neither.

Oh I see

 

[Bungle_Bear]

It is a result of the affect and effect of the fall

What is that supposed to mean?

"Affect" is a verb - you cannot have "a result of the affect".

 

[bhsmte]

The only proof that I can give you is my own testimony THAT GOD, by HIS SPIRIT revealed the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL of HIS SON to me

That no man taught it to me and that I had never read THE WORD until after HE revealed THE TRUTH by HIS SPIRIT

And because HE did...all things are in relation
To HIM and inferior and temporal

HIS WORD is TRUTH

What I do not know is still weighed in light of the knowledge and the truth of GOD

And HE comes out sovereign over all things temporal and passing

More preaching.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't have to

Let me know when you can.

 

[bhsmte]

Wait. No I wasn't aware of that. I thought I was simply bringing the TRUTH of GOD as SOVEREIGN into this debate where men who think their wisdom is somehow above GOD's WISDOM

I was hoping to remind you that it isn't

The fact you can't demonstrate this truth you claim, is telling.

 

[bhsmte]

Actually sir it leaves man with the one option to hold onto

FAITH

That GOD's got everything under control

That's cool. You are free to believe that, as long as you understand, others will disagree with you.