The Need to Speak in Tongues at Home

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swordsman: "Paul was speaking hypothetically in 1 Cor 13:1.
I need to focus on each hypothetical in detail to demonstrate your misunderstanding.

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels.."
The hypotheticals here are irrelevant to the question of whether believers can speak in both human and angelic tongues. Acts 2 shows that believers can speak in human tongues. So the natural assumption is that we can speak in angelic tongues as well. This possibility is reinforced by the fact that Jews in Paul's day believed in the possibility of interpreting angelic tongues and by his characterization of Corinthian tongues speakers as "zealots for spirits" (= angels--Hebrews 1:14).

"If I have [the gift of] prophecy..."
Paul wants us all to prophesy (14:5) and believes we can all prophesy one by one (14:31)." So his wish expresses a genuine possibility and is in no way limited by the notion that some gifts are reserved for a chosen few (12:28-29). The same can be said for his wish that every believer speak in tongues (14:5)!

"If I have faith so as to remove mountains.."
Paul moves on to the gift of faith (12:8). Jesus expects disciples to display just such mountain-moving faith (Mark 11:22; Matthew 17:20). Of course, "mountain" is a symbol of difficult challenges.

"If I give away all my possessions..."
Jesus requires the rich young ruler to do precisely that (Mark 10:21). So this hypothetical points to a real possibility, if not a normal requirement.

"...and if I hand over my body..."
In effect, Paul hands over his body to Jewish and Roman authorities during his last trip to Jerusalem, even though he realizes this means he will never visit his missionary churches again (Acts 20:25) . . . . . . .
With regard to 1Cor 13:1-3, even though Paul is certainly speaking hypothetically, what those who are less familiar with philosophy and with the use of propositional arguments are prone to, is that they do not seem to realise that the examples that people utilise when they employ hypothetical speech is that they are generally factual or realistic goals or objectives; and in Paul's case, he uses 8 examples which are realistic but where they are conditioned by our attitude (or lack) of love.

Paul is certainly not suggesting that he cannot prophesy, which is something that he wants us all to do, but as he does not want to overly offend the Corinthians (and us) he is wisely substituting himself for the Corinthians by saying that if he does not have love then he gains nothing from these 8 conditional elements.

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Biblicist, you have offered thoughtful additions to the thread. A locale in the Temple area would account for the otherwise inexplicable thousands of witnesses in Acts 2.

A similar question arises for the location of Paul's tradition of a resurrection appearance to 500+ witnesses (1 Corinthians 15:6). 2 possibilities intrigue me: (1) a worship service at Jesus' tomb; (2) the resurrection appearance on the Galilean Mount reported in Matthew 28:16-20. I prefer the 2nd possibility for 4 reasons.
(a) Matthew seems to have a tendency to mention only the 12, when a much larger group is present (Matthew 10:1; cp. Luke 10:1).
(b) Matthew's qualification in 28:17, "but some doubted," seems inexplicable if only the 11 who have already seen the Risen Jesus in Jerusalem are present.
(c) Matthew locates this appearance on "the mountain to which Jesus had directed them (28:16)." If Jesus had at some point identified this mountain as the location of His future appearance, surely word of this would be spread to other believers who would then be eager to be present as witnesses.
(d) It is hard enough to reconcile our Gospel resurrection appearances with those listed in 1 Corinthians 15:3-8. So the extent to which Paul's list points to different versions of Gospel appearances should be carefully explored.

Biblicist: "As to the question of the 120 being empowered to speak known human languages or if the unregenerate crowd were empowered to hear, I would take the simple language of the text where Luke is pointing to the 120 being empowered; it is difficult to understand why anyone would presume that on the Day of Pentecost where the Spirit was given to the fledgling Church that the Spirit would be given to the unregenerate and not to the Children of God."

I don't reject your preference, but am troubled by how hard it is to imagine 3,000 pilgrims hearing messages in their own languages, when the 120 are all speaking in tongues at once. I would also point out one of the features that distinguishes the great Welsh and Hebrides revivals of the 20th century from more ordinary times of spiritual refreshment: as J. Edwin Orr notes, in the Welsh and Hebrides revivals, the Holy Spirit seems to fall primarily on the unchurched.
 
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Biblicist: "As to the question of the 120 being empowered to speak known human languages or if the unregenerate crowd were empowered to hear, I would take the simple language of the text where Luke is pointing to the 120 being empowered; it is difficult to understand why anyone would presume that on the Day of Pentecost where the Spirit was given to the fledgling Church that the Spirit would be given to the unregenerate and not to the Children of God."

I don't reject your preference, but am troubled by how hard it is to imagine 3,000 pilgrims hearing messages in their own languages, when the 120 are all speaking in tongues at once. I would also point out one of the features that distinguishes the great Welsh and Hebrides revivals of the 20th century from more ordinary times of spiritual refreshment: as J. Edwin Orr notes, in the Welsh and Hebrides revivals, the Holy Spirit seems to fall primarily on the unchurched.
To my way of thinking I certainly would have liked to have seen some more detail with Luke's record, but maybe my whim is a product of our Western thinking where we like to know as much detail as possible.

As for event itself, where so many Galileans were speaking in human languages that they did not know, what I find that is often missing in the commentaries on this event is that the commentators do not try and imagine themselves standing there listening to what is being said. If the 120 were meeting in the Temple precinct or even in a large public venue outside of the Temple, if they were to imagine such a event (which is not hard in my view) where they were in a large noisy crowd which could have very well been on the move, is with how it would have been hard to hear specific individuals speaking in languages that they did not know and of course they would have been speaking with a strong Northern Galilean accent and if they were moving around while they were praising God then this would have made it even harder to hear what was being said.

A further complication would have been that even though the Holy Spirit was empowering the 120, this would only have been with the content of the speech but he would not be able to control when they chose to insert the required breathing breaks in their speech and he certainly could not control their voice inflections; the only way that the Holy Spirit could do these things would be if they were in a trance, where they were in an ecstatic state where they had absolutely no control over their own bodies.

When we combine their strong Galilean accents with their inability to insert breathing marks nor voice inflections, this would have disturbed the ears of many but this would be compounded if a particular language required various levels of pitch to allow certain words that had multiple meanings make sense, as some languages will depend on the speaker applying the right voice pitch to give a certain word a specific meaning.

So the charge of drunkenness was probably a reasonable one where even those who made this accusation may have embraced the Gospel once it was pointed out that they were not drunk. I would imagine that even if someone was standing right next to one of the Disciples where they were able to clearly hear what was being said that it still would have sounded very strange.
 
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The question could possibly be rephrased as "Do you know what you are praying about" as against knowing the precise words and concepts that the Holy Spirit is praying to the Father on our behalf.

We can often start our times of prayer, in tongues if we so desire, by asking the Holy Spirit to offer up words of praise and thanks to the Father, which is the normal application of prayer within the congregational setting; we can then have the Holy Spirit interceding on our behalf on specific matters which might be say for the needs of a family member or a friend. Unlike that of our very finite human understanding and even comprehension, the Holy Spirit will be able to address issues within the life of the person that we are praying for that we would know nothing about, which means (and I don't know how this works) that the Holy Spirit will pray perfectly in accordance with the will of the Father where such prayer is beyond our human frailty.
But what would be the advantage of making up words and sounds to begin a prayer as opposed to just praying in your own language? do you feel God wouldnt hear or understand your normal language? I of course am not talking about when God changes your language and begin to speak......Im talking about those who intentional start off saying words and sounds that themselves or no one else, understands...

I have no problem with it...Im just not sure of the benefits.
 
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But what would be the advantage of making up words and sounds to begin a prayer as opposed to just praying in your own language? do you feel God wouldnt hear or understand your normal language? I of course am not talking about when God changes your language and begin to speak......Im talking about those who intentional start off saying words and sounds that themselves or no one else, understands...

I have no problem with it...Im just not sure of the benefits.
If I can rephrase your question by asking "How does it all work", about all I could say is that in all honesty I have absolutely no idea.

Being someone who has been able to pray in the Spirit for over 40 years and where I wonder why other Christians choose to shortchange themselves when it comes to prayer by not praying in the Spirit (tongues), I still cannot explain exactly how the intercessory prayers of the Holy Spirit are able to alter events; but on the other hand, I suppose this could also be said for prayer that we offer to the Father using our mind.

Leaving aside the more complex issues of how our fervent and honest prayer can see the Father interacting or responding to certain issues and events, we can all recognise that even the best prayers that we give that are given by the so called 'best prayers' will often be a product of our limited humanity and with our limited understanding of a given situation or issue that we are praying about. For instance, someone asks for prayer over a given situation where I may know very little about the individual or even the issue that they are asking prayer for. As much as I will offer some prayer with my mind, which will always be based on my limited understanding and comprehension, when I pray in the Spirit the Holy Spirit not only knows the inner thoughts and secrets of the person that I am interceding for but he will always pray in accordance with the Father's heart.

So by praying in the Spirit, the prayer that I am offering to the Father in the Spirit, even though I do not know the content of what the Holy Spirit is saying through me, I still have the confidence that they are perfect prayers.

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If I can rephrase your question by asking "How does it all work", about all I could say is that in all honesty I have absolutely no idea.

Being someone who has been able to pray in the Spirit for over 40 years and where I wonder why other Christians choose to shortchange themselves when it comes to prayer by not praying in the Spirit (tongues), I still cannot explain exactly how the intercessory prayers of the Holy Spirit are able to alter events; but on the other hand, I suppose this could also be said for prayer that we offer to the Father using our mind.

Leaving aside the more complex issues of how our fervent and honest prayer can see the Father interacting or responding to certain issues and events, we can all recognise that even the best prayers that we give that are given by the so called 'best prayers' will often be a product of our limited humanity and with our limited understanding of a given situation or issue that we are praying about. For instance, someone asks for prayer over a given situation where I may know very little about the individual or even the issue that they are asking prayer for. As much as I will offer some prayer with my mind, which will always be based on my limited understanding and comprehension, when I pray in the Spirit the Holy Spirit not only knows the inner thoughts and secrets of the person that I am interceding for but he will always pray in accordance with the Father's heart.

So by praying in the Spirit, the prayer that I am offering to the Father in the Spirit, even though I do not know the content of what the Holy Spirit is saying through me, I still have the confidence that they are perfect prayers.

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Thanks for the detailed response. May God bless you on your journey to heaven.
 
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I have to say, this is a subject that confuses me. I believe I have done this on occasion....But not on purpose.....it was instances where I was praying and got lost in it and when I came back I didn't consciously understand what I was saying. I never thought to try to make up words on my own and continue or start a prayer like this. I don't understand how this could make you stronger or more spiritual. Spontaneous tongues that surprises even yourself, maybe......cause it's out of your control and could be God trying to say something.....

But this is an interesting topic.

The genuine gift of tongues is a deliberate conscious act to speak a language you have never learned as an act of faith. The difference between speaking gibberish and speaking tongues that are understood by God is your faith - if you are speaking according to the principles of 1 Corinthians 14 and relying on Paul's teaching in that chapter as the basis for your faith, then you can be sure that God understands what you are saying. If you have spoken in tongues without being in conscious control of it, then that is not faith, because something done in faith is a deliberate, conscious action that you do as a result of believing that section of God's Word. When a person goes into some sort of "dream world" and speaks in tongues, I would be worried that it is not the Holy Spirit but some other spirit that is doing the speaking. Everything we do in God by faith is a fully conscious act. We know at all times what we are doing and we choose to do it or not to do it. Self control is a fruit of the Spirit. Tongues is an integral part of that fruit. You can make up words in faith, and God will honour that faith if you are serious with Him about it. Those who think they will just try it out and see what happens are usually disappointed because it won't work for them that way. Also, people surrounded by a group of people yelling in his year to encourage him to speak in tongues is not faith either because he is being pressured into it. Genuine tongues comes with you in the presence of God in your private prayer room deliberately making up a language and speaking to Him in cold-blooded, faith, believing that the Holy Spirit is speaking mysteries through your spirit, and opening the way for God to build you up in your faith.
 
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The genuine gift of tongues is a deliberate conscious act to speak a language you have never learned as an act of faith. The difference between speaking gibberish and speaking tongues that are understood by God is your faith - if you are speaking according to the principles of 1 Corinthians 14 and relying on Paul's teaching in that chapter as the basis for your faith, then you can be sure that God understands what you are saying. If you have spoken in tongues without being in conscious control of it, then that is not faith, because something done in faith is a deliberate, conscious action that you do as a result of believing that section of God's Word. When a person goes into some sort of "dream world" and speaks in tongues, I would be worried that it is not the Holy Spirit but some other spirit that is doing the speaking. Everything we do in God by faith is a fully conscious act. We know at all times what we are doing and we choose to do it or not to do it. Self control is a fruit of the Spirit. Tongues is an integral part of that fruit. You can make up words in faith, and God will honour that faith if you are serious with Him about it. Those who think they will just try it out and see what happens are usually disappointed because it won't work for them that way. Also, people surrounded by a group of people yelling in his year to encourage him to speak in tongues is not faith either because he is being pressured into it. Genuine tongues comes with you in the presence of God in your private prayer room deliberately making up a language and speaking to Him in cold-blooded, faith, believing that the Holy Spirit is speaking mysteries through your spirit, and opening the way for God to build you up in your faith.

How is making up a language and speaking it a gift? If you have faith that your made up words is being heard by God through the holy spirit, what should be the outcome? How is this better than saying exactly what you want to God and everyone being able to understand it? Why do you think God would prefer made up words that mean nothing to you consciously over words that have meaning to you?

And on the contrary, I know God can give you a language that you dont understand and someone else does. I think christians fear the devil and evil spirits too much. If you have fear, it would not be wise to dabble in any true gift of the spirit.
 
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If I can rephrase your question by asking "How does it all work", about all I could say is that in all honesty I have absolutely no idea.

Being someone who has been able to pray in the Spirit for over 40 years and where I wonder why other Christians choose to shortchange themselves when it comes to prayer by not praying in the Spirit (tongues), I still cannot explain exactly how the intercessory prayers of the Holy Spirit are able to alter events; but on the other hand, I suppose this could also be said for prayer that we offer to the Father using our mind.

Leaving aside the more complex issues of how our fervent and honest prayer can see the Father interacting or responding to certain issues and events, we can all recognise that even the best prayers that we give that are given by the so called 'best prayers' will often be a product of our limited humanity and with our limited understanding of a given situation or issue that we are praying about. For instance, someone asks for prayer over a given situation where I may know very little about the individual or even the issue that they are asking prayer for. As much as I will offer some prayer with my mind, which will always be based on my limited understanding and comprehension, when I pray in the Spirit the Holy Spirit not only knows the inner thoughts and secrets of the person that I am interceding for but he will always pray in accordance with the Father's heart.

So by praying in the Spirit, the prayer that I am offering to the Father in the Spirit, even though I do not know the content of what the Holy Spirit is saying through me, I still have the confidence that they are perfect prayers.

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The actual speaking in tongues is very simple really. It is God who does the difficult stuff and He does not have to tell us the details of the process. All He expects is that we do the simple thing of making up the language in faith and speaking it out to Him, believing that we have the genuine gift of tongues and are doing it according to the guidelines that Paul has set out for us. We cannot know the inner workings of it. The Scripture says, "Who knows the mind of the Spirit except the Spirit Himself?" Tongues is like that. We don't know how it works, but it does when we launch out in faith and make up the language and speak it to God. I don't believe that just saying something like "bababababa" and nothing else is actually tongues. It is an articulate language and fluency comes very soon after the first attempts. It seems flow out. I have heard folks speak beautiful languages straight off after being shown the steps of receiving tongues and encouraging them to speak out in faith. They themselves have be totally surprised at the depth and fluency of language that has come out of them. They have been conscious of making up the language, but the sounds have come in such a way that their is a merging between the sounds they make up and the inspiration that comes to them with the sounds that come to their minds to say. It's like learning to play a musical instrument. Initially, we have to think about every note or chord we play. Then it seems that the notes and chords come automatically and we are able to sing and play, and we are able to sing along because the playing happens. Those who have learned to type, ride a bike, driven a car, or learned a guitar, know what I am talking about. Tongues happens in much the same way. After a while the language just comes when we choose to speak and there can be different languages for different purposes. The languages seem to come through our minds more than just from them. And we speak from our hearts and not just with our mouths. Also, once we have got used to speaking in tongues, the emphasis changes from "hey, I can speak in tongues", to directing our prayer and worship to God, using our native tongue and the gift of tongues as we choose is the most effective way of getting the desires of our hearts across to God. Tongues does not make us more spiritual or better Christians than those who don't speak in tongues. Tongues are part of the set of tools that we use to communicate with God in prayer.
 
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The actual speaking in tongues is very simple really. It is God who does the difficult stuff and He does not have to tell us the details of the process. All He expects is that we do the simple thing of making up the language in faith and speaking it out to Him, believing that we have the genuine gift of tongues and are doing it according to the guidelines that Paul has set out for us. We cannot know the inner workings of it. The Scripture says, "Who knows the mind of the Spirit except the Spirit Himself?" Tongues is like that. We don't know how it works, but it does when we launch out in faith and make up the language and speak it to God. I don't believe that just saying something like "bababababa" and nothing else is actually tongues. It is an articulate language and fluency comes very soon after the first attempts. It seems flow out. I have heard folks speak beautiful languages straight off after being shown the steps of receiving tongues and encouraging them to speak out in faith. They themselves have be totally surprised at the depth and fluency of language that has come out of them. They have been conscious of making up the language, but the sounds have come in such a way that their is a merging between the sounds they make up and the inspiration that comes to them with the sounds that come to their minds to say. It's like learning to play a musical instrument. Initially, we have to think about every note or chord we play. Then it seems that the notes and chords come automatically and we are able to sing and play, and we are able to sing along because the playing happens. Those who have learned to type, ride a bike, driven a car, or learned a guitar, know what I am talking about. Tongues happens in much the same way. After a while the language just comes when we choose to speak and there can be different languages for different purposes. The languages seem to come through our minds more than just from them. And we speak from our hearts and not just with our mouths. Also, once we have got used to speaking in tongues, the emphasis changes from "hey, I can speak in tongues", to directing our prayer and worship to God, using our native tongue and the gift of tongues as we choose is the most effective way of getting the desires of our hearts across to God. Tongues does not make us more spiritual or better Christians than those who don't speak in tongues. Tongues are part of the set of tools that we use to communicate with God in prayer.

In Most pentecostal churches ive been to, they believe that you arent saved until you spoke in tongues. I always felt it was a supernatural occurance... but you seem to be saying it is something you just practice with faith and then get better at.

Do you subscribe to the "not saved until you have evidence of speaking in togues" as well?
 
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In Most pentecostal churches ive been to, they believe that you arent saved until you spoke in tongues. I always felt it was a supernatural occurance... but you seem to be saying it is something you just practice with faith and then get better at.

Do you subscribe to the "not saved until you have evidence of speaking in togues" as well?

I was in the Pentecostal movement for the first 12 years of my Christian life, and although I fellowshipped with mainline churches, I still maintained my Pentecostal theology and association with inter-denominational Charismatic groups. I have never been in contact with any groups that believed that tongues was essential to salvation. I did have a four hour debate with a Pentecostal pastor from some off-beat Pentecostal group that did believe that tongues were necessary for salvation. I told him that he was blaspheming the blood of Christ because he was promoting salvation by works instead of Christ's finished work on Calvary. He wouldn't listen, so I walked away from him.

I believe that demanding evidence of speaking in tongues for salvation is an insult to Christ and a very wrong appreciation of the value of the gift of tongues. I believe that the doctrine is demonic and the devil's purpose is to turn people away from the true gospel. Anyone who preaches that tongues is vital for salvation is preaching another gospel, and they are cursed of God, because the Scripture says that anyone who preaches a different gospel than what Paul preached was cursed. Paul never once said that tongues was essential to salvation. If I knew then what I know now about dealing with demons, I would have stood up to that guy on that street and cast that lying spirit out of him in the Name of Jesus and through His blood. That would have set him back on his heels!

Tongues is supernatural, but you speak the language by faith, and the supernatural part is that through your faith it becomes a language in the Holy Spirit that God loves to hear and respond to. The use of it enhances your experience with God.

But the qualifications for the salvation is that you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He rose from the dead. That's all you need to get saved. Receiving the gifts of the Spirit, including tongues is the blessed bonus that comes from God when He gives you the powerful tools for effective service for Him.
 
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How is making up a language and speaking it a gift? If you have faith that your made up words is being heard by God through the holy spirit, what should be the outcome? How is this better than saying exactly what you want to God and everyone being able to understand it? Why do you think God would prefer made up words that mean nothing to you consciously over words that have meaning to you?

And on the contrary, I know God can give you a language that you dont understand and someone else does. I think christians fear the devil and evil spirits too much. If you have fear, it would not be wise to dabble in any true gift of the spirit.

The Scripture says that without faith it is impossible to please God. Faith involves a deliberate act that has a supernatural outcome. When we lay hands on the sick and they get well, the actual laying on of hands does not do anything of itself. It is the act of faith of laying on of hands that produces the supernatural result of the person getting healed. Moses lifted his rod over the Red Sea in faith and obedience to the command of God. It was not the rod that parted the Red Sea, it was God's mighty power as the result of Moses' act of faith. It is the same with the gift of tongues. I speak a made-up language in faith, and the Holy Spirit works through it to express our heart's desires to God. It opens the way for God to be involved with us, either with new insights into His Word, greater sensitivity to His voice and answers to intercessory prayer. We don't see an immediate outcome when we speak in tongues, and often we don't feel any different when we pray in tongues, but things happen. We so often see these as coincidences and blessings from God, that we do not realise that these things may be happening as the result of us praying in tongues. We can say a lot more to God through tongues than English because our spirit, aided by the Holy Spirit can express itself much more comprehensively and eloquently to God.

Doing things in faith is often foreign to our way of thinking. Read the Bible and see how that some really strange things were done to accomplish God's will. Naaman having to wash in the dirty waters of Jordan to get healed. Moses hitting a rock with a stick to get water. Elisha hitting the Jordan river with Elijah's mantle and saw the waters parting for him to cross over. Jesus telling a guy to go wash the mud out of his eyes in a pool to be healed of blindness. Jesus dying on a cross to save the sins of the whole world. If we tried to use natural logic to work these things out, we would end up being puzzled. How about Paul and Silas praising God in prison and then an earthquake happened and their chains fell off? How does praise cause earthquakes and chains falling off? So, how does making up a language and praying it to God cause a greater insight into His Word, answers to prayer, increased prosperity, the sick being healed, and the most unlikely people coming to Christ, and your church growing from 20 members to 200? But it happens. Same principle. Sometimes God gets us to do some unusual things to achieve the outworking of His power, and I believe He does it to test us to see whether we will obey Him rather than depend on our logical minds.

Paul wanted to go into Asia to preach the gospel. It was an open mission field for him. But the Holy Spirit told him not to go there. There were no reasons given. Perhaps he puzzled about it because it didn't seem logical for the Holy Spirit to stop him going somewhere where souls could be saved and churches planted. Then he gets a vision about a man from Macedonia saying, "Come and help us." So he goes there. What if you had a dream about a man in Mexico saying, "Come and preach the gospel to us." Would you go? Or would your logical mind tell you that it was only a dream? The Scripture says "Commit your way to the Lord, lean not on your own understanding, and He will guide your steps". Abraham was told to leave his modern city with it luxurious homes and to travel to a land where he didn't know where he was going. It must have been totally illogical to him, and he was a pagan god worshiper at that time. God must have spoken to him right out of the blue. He obeyed God and the rest is history. You see, the Bible is full of stories like this where people have been asked to do things in faith which were totally illogical to them. Think of David and Goliath. Going up against a modern warrior with state of the art weapons and having only a slingshot and five stones. Would you have the faith and courage to do that? David did. He did the illogical and you know the rest of it.
 
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(1) Find even one commentary that claims that the tongues spoken in Acts 10:44-47 were either understood by the hearers or interpreted by someone with the gift of interpretation.

There are many commentators who take the view that the tongues in Acts 10 was identical to Pentecost because Peter's party noted that the gentiles were speaking in tongues and "magnifying God" in the same way as the disciples were at Pentecost. The Greek phrase for "magnifying God" (μεγαλυνόντων τὸν Θεόνin) is very similar to "declaring the mighty works of God" (μεγαλεῖα τοῦ Θεοῦ). Evidently someone in the party must have recognized the language to know they were magnifying God in tongues.

F F Bruce - Professor of Biblical Criticism and Exegesis, University of Manchester
The Book of Acts

The descent of the Spirit on those Gentiles was outwardly manifested in much the same way as it had been when the original disciples received the Spirit at Pentecost: they spoke with tongues and proclaimed the might works of God. ["Magnifying God" (μεγαλυνόντων τὸν Θεόν) in v.46 is synonymous with "declaring the mighty works of God" (λαλούντων ... τὰ μεγαλεῖα τοῦ Θεοῦ) in 2:11.]

James Dunn - Professor of Divinity at the University of Durham,
Beginning from Jerusalem: Christianity in the Making

The particular evidence mentioned is their speaking in tongues and extolling God. The double echo of the experience and event of Pentecost is obviosuly deliberate. What happened to Cornelius and his companions was manifestly no different from what had happened to the first disciples on the day of Pentecost. How could 'the faithful from circumcision' affirm the one and deny the other? They couldn't.

Mal Couch - president of the Tyndale Theological Seminary
A Bible Handbook to the Acts of the Apostles

Acts 10:44-48 refers to foreign languages because (1) Luke uses the same words to describe the phenomenon as in Acts 2:4, 11; (2) the listeners could not have understood that Cornelius and his household were magnifying God unless they understood them; (3) in Peter's subsequent report to the Jerusalem church, he said that the Gentiles had received the "like gift" (11:17) and that "the Holy Spirit fell upon them, just as upon us at the beginning" (11:15). This refers to the experience at Pentecost. This likeness of experience extends not only to the Spirit but also to the nature of tongues speaking in foreign languages.

Eckhard J. Schnabel - Professor of New Testament Studies at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Massachusetts.
Acts

The fact that Cornelius and his household had received the Holy Spirit as a gift from the Lord could not be doubted since they suddenly spoke in unlearned languages, praising God. The last comment Suggests that Hebrew or Aramaic was among the languages being spoken-languages that Cornelius or Some of his friends may not have been able to speak but languages that Peter and his friends from Joppa would have understood. Luke does not say that all the assembled Gentiles spoke in tongues; it is possible some spoke in unlearned languages while others experienced invasive praise."


I.Howard Marshall - Professor Emeritus of New Testament Exegesis at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland.
The Acts of the Apostles

There could be no mistake about what had happened. Just as the first Jewish beleivers had received the Spirit and praised God in other tongues on the day of Pentecost, so now these Gentiles received the identical gift of God.
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Peter's comment brings out the fact that the experience of the Gentile converts was the same as that of the original recipients of the Spirit at the beginning, i.e. on the day of Pentecost. It is significant that he compares the experience of the Gentiles with that of the group in the upper room, rather than with that of the first converts from Jusaism: there is nothing that might suggest a status as 'second-class citizens' for the Gentiles.


vanThanh Nguyen - Professor of New Testament Studies at Catholic Theological Union.
The description of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Gentiles is very similar to that of Pentecost (2:1-4).' The wording is strikingly the same-the "gift” of the Holy Spirit (as in 2:38), being "poured out” (2:17), "speaking in tongues and praising God" (2:4, 11). The narrator clearly wants the reader "to recall the Pentecost scene and acknowledge that Gentiles have been chosen by God to receive the same gift and the same power as Jesus' first followers received at the beginning of their mission.' Thus what happened to Cornelius and his household was no different from what happened to the first disciples on the day of Pentecost. Furthermore, Luke demonstrates that "receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit is essential to being a Christian, as is belief in Jesus as the Christ and Lord of all.'
The effect of the Holy Spirit, in particular the glossolalia, was so visible and so obvious that neither Peter nor the circumcised believers could doubt or deny it. Obviously God had accepted the Gentile Cornelius and his household. This event will therefore become an irrefutable test case for Peter to convince the Jerusalem church to fully accept Gentiles and to integrate them into the Christian community.'

(2) Find even one commentary that rejects the obvious claim that the glossolalia in Acts 2 is the prophesying foretold in Joel 2:28.

I checked well over a dozen major commentaries and not one of them claimed the tongues at Pentecost was prophecy (Barret, Bock, Bruce, Peterson, Stott, Keener, etc).

(3) Find even one commentary that rejects the implication in 14:28 that private glossolalia is permissible.

Robert Thomas - Professor of New Testament at The Master's Seminary in Sun Valley, CA
Understanding Spiritual Gifts

The last half of verse 28 explains how the tongues speaker was to keep silent in church. The suggestion that “speak to himself and to God” deals with private activity is not plausible in a context devoted to public worship, which is the general theme of 11:2–14:40. Particularly, 14:28 itself is regulatory of activities in the church, not of those in private. The meaning of verse 28b is thus, "Let him keep silent in the church, and let him do this by means of speaking to himself and to God only." This required the tongues speaker to meditate quietly on what his own mind could grasp of the tongues message that he might otherwise have given publicly—had an interpreter been present—thereby deriving for himself whatever edifying benefit he could. “Speaking to oneself and to God” was a proverbial expression for meditation. The guideline calls upon the would be tongues speaker, out of consideration for the rest of the congregation, to engage in such a contemplative activity rather than speak up in the absence of an interpreter and do something that had no benefit whatever for anyone else in the audience. Paul has devoted extensive discussion earlier in the chapter to the fruitlessness of tongues apart from interpretation (vv. 6–11, 14, 16–17), and in verse 28, he is explicit in ruling out tongues under such conditions.
The question of whether the de in 14:28b is adversative or explanatory is significant. In the former case it would contrast public tongues with private tongues, whereas in the latter it would introduce an explanation of how the tongues speaker is to keep silent in the church.... The other explanation of verse 28b is that laleito refers to inaudible utterances ; &dquo;Let him keep silent in church [and let him do this by means of speaking to himself and to God only.&dquo; The greater plausibility of this view is seen by the way en ekklesiai ’ (&dquo;in the church&dquo;) continues its force from verse 28a. Wherever the silence is located is the same place where the speaking to oneself and to God is to transpire.... Since the context of 11:2-14:40 has public surroundings in view and makes no clear reference to private activities, de in an explanatory sense is the preferable interpretation.

Mark Taylor - Professor of New Testament at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
1 Corinthians

The phrase "to be silent" in church recalls Paul's previous desire to speak five intelligible words "in church" rather than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue (14:19). Some think this presupposes that the appropriate venue for speaking in tongues apart from interpretation is privately at home, much in the same way that Paul advises to eat and drink at home (11:22) and instructs wives to ask questions of their husbands at home (14:35) rather than to speak shamefully "in church."561. Paul is not as specific, however, regarding tongues. He does not mention doing this at home but only that that speaker must be silent in church and speak to himself and to God. The gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues are corporate gifts distributed by the Spirit for the common good (12:7-11). Furthermore, Paul argues that edification cannot occur apart from comprehension (14:13–17). It is unlikely that Paul means, "Let Him speak to himself and to God without comprehension."

O Palmer Robertson - former professor at Knox Theological Seminary.
The Final Word

Yet one other verse must be analysed carefully with respect to the possibility of ‘private’ gifts in the church. For 1 Corinthians 14:28 states that if no ‘interpreter’ is present to provide the meaning of an utterance spoken in a tongue, then the speaker must keep silent in the church, and must ‘speak to himself and to God’. Does not this statement appear to endorse a private gift which does not function publicly in the church?
If approached in a certain way, this verse admittedly would appear to endorse the privatisation of the gift of tongues-speaking. If no interpreter is present, the tongues-speaker should ‘speak to himself and to God’.
But further consideration would not appear to lend support to this position. For the whole point of the passage is to provide orderly control of multiple gifts as they function in the church. ‘Two or at the most three’ should speak in tongues, and someone must interpret (verse 27). In a similar way, ‘two or three prophets’ should speak, and the others should discriminate (verse 29). The whole context deals with the orderly functioning of gifts within the assembly. In the context of this precise discussion, Paul makes the point that the tongues-speaker without an interpreter is to remain silent, speaking to himself and to God (verse 28). The two actions are simultaneous. As he restrains himself until an interpreter is present, he speaks within himself while communing with God.
The question is not whether the gift of tongues should function in private or in public. Instead, the question is when the gift of tongues may function in the assembly, and the answer is that tongues may function properly in the church only when an interpreter is present. From the comment in verse 31 that ‘all can prophesy’ in due time, it may be assumed that the same principle would hold for tongues. As soon as an interpreter is present, the utterance may be delivered. But in the meantime, the tongues-speaker must manifest patience in the assembly, just like the prophet. For the spirits of all prophets are subject to the orderly control of prophets.
In any case, the context presumes the public functioning of the gifts. The verbal gifts of tongues and prophecy are intended for the whole community, not merely for an individual to exercise in private. A person may justify the private exercise of ‘tongues’ from personal experience. He may testify to the fact that he derives great relief from tension through letting his vocalisations in prayer run ahead of his rational processes. His ‘prayer-language’ is to him a ‘gift’ from God that helps him cope with life today.
But in the end, experience must be judged by Scripture, and not vice versa.


(4) Find even one commentary that rejects Paul's gratitude that he speaks in tongues "more than you all" (14:18) as celebration of glossolalia that he utters in private.

J. I. Packer
Keep in Step with the Spirit: Finding Fullness in Our Walk with God

But one thing is clear: prima facie, Paul is discussing public use of tongues throughout 1 Corinthians 13-14, and it is neither necessary nor natural to refer any of his statements to glossolalia as a private exercise. Charismatics often explain 14:4 ("he who speaks in a tongue edifies himself...") and 18 ("... I speak in tongues more than you all") in terms of private glossolalic prayer, but exegetically this is a guess that is not only unprovable but not in fact very plausible. It involves a gratuitous modeling of first-century experience on the charismatics' own ("Paul and the Corinthians must have been like us"); furthermore, it is hard to believe that in verse 4 Paul can mean that glossolalists who do not know what they are saying will yet edify themselves, when in verse 5 he denies that the listening church can be edified unless it knows what they are saying.' But if in verse 4 Paul has in view tongues speakers who understand their tongues, today's charismatics cannot regard his words as giving them any encouragement, for they confessedly do not understand their own glossolalia. And the supposition that these verses relate to private glossolalia cannot in any case be supported from Paul's flow of thought, to which private glossolalia is irrelevant. This supposition can be read into the text, as so much else can in these chapters, but not read out of it.


Robert Thomas - Professor of New Testament at The Master's Seminary in Sun Valley, CA
Understanding Spiritual Gifts

14:18—Legitimacy of tongues ..... What was this more frequent use by Paul? Certainly it was not in Christian meetings, as verse 23 will point out. Nor was it in private, for this section of 1 Corinthians (chaps, 11–14) has to do with public matters. Furthermore, it is the nature of spiritual gifts that they render benefit to persons other than the one exercising the gift [1 Cor. 12:7, 25; 13:5-6; 14:12, 19, 26]. In light of that emphasis, Paul would hardly have set himself up as an example of claimed Superiority on the basis of his own selfish use of one of the gifts. That was the very thing he was combating among the Corinthians. The private use of Something intended for others is certainly nothing to boast about. Tongues' purpose was a public one, as 14:20–25 will shortly show (especially, V. 22).
It must, then, be in connection with a public ministry of some kind that Paul found occasion to exercise his own deep endowment of tongues. As the missionary apostle to the Gentiles, he frequently encountered new linguistic groups in his travels. Authenticating signs accompanied the ministry of one such as he [Rom. 15:18-19; 2 Cor. 12:12), and tongues was one of the signs. Upon hearing a foreigner speak their own language without ever studying it, the listeners would perceive the apostle's miraculous demonstration and be ready to give attention to his divinely verified presentation of the gospel [cf. Acts 2:1-13). It was for this purpose that Paul found ample room, even an indispensable place, for tongues. He used the gift extensively in this way [1 Cor. 14:22). That, however, was far different from the Corinthian habit of exhibiting their linguistic talents among themselves as a source of selfish Satisfaction.
14:19—Greatest effectiveness in the church. As opposed to his extensive use of tongues in other kinds of public gatherings, Paul's strong preference when addressing a Christian assemblage was to speak intelligibly to his listeners.”


Mark Taylor - Professor of New Testament at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
1 Corinthians

The phrase "to be silent" in church recalls Paul's previous desire to speak five intelligible words "in church" rather than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue (14:19). Some think this presupposes that the appropriate venue for speaking in tongues apart from interpretation is privately at home, much in the same way that Paul advises to eat and drink at home (11:22) and instructs wives to ask questions of their husbands at home (14:35) rather than to speak shamefully "in church."561. Paul is not as specific, however, regarding tongues. He does not mention doing this at home but only that that speaker must be silent in church and speak to himself and to God. The gift of tongues and the interpretation of tongues are corporate gifts distributed by the Spirit for the common good (12:7-11). Furthermore, Paul argues that edification cannot occur apart from comprehension (14:13–17). It is unlikely that Paul means, "Let Him speak to himself and to God without comprehension."


O Palmer Robertson - former professor at Knox Theological Seminary.
The Final Word

With this larger picture of the public nature of spiritual gifts in mind, consider more closely 1 Corinthians 14:18-19. Paul says:
I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Now, at first glance it seems that Paul intends to contrast private tongues with public tongues. Is not Paul saying, ‘I thank God that [privately] I speak in tongues more than all of you, but [publicly] in the church I would rather speak intelligible words that instruct others?’ The contrast between private words spoken in a tongue and public words spoken in prophecy seems to be underscored by his usage of the phrase ‘in the church’ only in conjunction with the ‘intelligible words’ of prophecy.
But the interpreter must be very careful about introducing words or concepts that do not appear in the original text of Scripture. As a matter of fact, the word order of verse 18 in the original language makes quite plain the true contrast intended by Paul in these verses. It is not a contrast between private and public utterances. Instead, Paul is contrasting his experience in speaking in tongues, in the advancement of Christ’s kingdom in general, with the practice of those who were so eager to promote tongues in the church at Corinth. ‘More than all of you,’ he says, ‘I speak in tongues.’ Paul’s emphasis is made plain by the order of his words. ‘In relation to all of you, I speak more in tongues’ (verse 18). The comparison is between Paul and those of the Corinthian church who are so interested in promoting tongues-speaking. Perhaps to their surprise, Paul affirms that he speaks in tongues more than the whole lot of them.
Then in the next verse he introduces his contrast. ‘But with reference to the church I prefer to speak five words for understanding’ (verse 19). This, then, is Paul’s contrast. It is not a contrast between private tongues and prophecy spoken in the church. Instead, the contrast is between tongues as they relate to those who are promoting tongues among the Corinthians and tongues as they relate to the church as a whole. Paul says, ‘In relating to you, my record is plain. Recognise this fact. Don’t talk to me about speaking in tongues as though I know nothing about the matter, for I have spoken in tongues more than all of you. I know first-hand about speaking in tongues. But with reference to the church, I would prefer to speak clearly in a language that will edify. Although I do as a matter of fact speak in tongues more than all of you, my concern is for edification.’
That is the contrast in verses 18 and 19. No mention is made of private tongues in contrast with public tongues. For New Testament tongues were never meant for private consumption. Like all other gifts of the Spirit, they were intended for the whole body. With this perspective in view, it becomes clear at the outset that a vast majority of tongues-speaking activity today could not be the same as New Testament tongues. Private tongues are not New Testament tongues. If tongues are a gift for the church, they should be brought out into the open for the benefit of the church.

(5) Swordsman has always ducked my repeated challenge to explain why word usage in every other Pauline example is not definitive for his usage in 1 Corinthians 14.
e. g. "He who speaks in tongues edifies (Greek: oikodomeo) himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church (14:4).

Because spiritual gifts are for the purpose of serving others, not self:

1 Peter 4:10 Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others

1 Cor 12:7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

There is not a single spiritual gift that is meant to be used for private personal benefit. Prophecy, teaching, evangelism, helps, healing, giving, leadership, pastor, etc, are all for benefiting others. Tongues was no exception.

Swordsman prefers the translation "spirituals" for "pneumata" here. Indeed, on this text, he is entitled to reverse my challenges and demand that I produce a scholar who translates "pneumata" as "spirits." in the sense of the reference to angels as "ministering spirits" in Hebrews 1:14.
So here is my response. "Pneumatikos." not "pneuma", is Paul's term for "spiritual." True, Paul can use "pneuma" in the sense of "the spirit of." But the NT never uses "spirits" (without the genitive (of)) to designate a spiritual gift. It always designates "spirits" in the sense of angels or demons. So in 12:14 it means "spirits" in the sense of "angels" and thus confirms the fact that "tongues of angels" in 13:1 alludes to angelic glossolalia as a supplement to glossolalia as expressing human languages.

So all the main bible versions have got their translations wrong have they? (NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, NKJV, NLT, etc, etc). Not a single one has translated 14:12 as "spirits". You must contact the Greek scholars on their respective translation committees and inform them of their error.

(6) Finally, swordsman has always ducked my challenge to explain how to "strive for" the gift of tongues (among other gifts--12:31; 14:1), without the practice of private prayer.

The Corinthian church as whole is to desire spiritual gifts, not individuals. And the gifts they are to desire are the 'greater' ones such as prophecy and teaching which edify the assembly.
 
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With regard to 1Cor 13:1-3, even though Paul is certainly speaking hypothetically, what those who are less familiar with philosophy and with the use of propositional arguments are prone to, is that they do not seem to realise that the examples that people utilise when they employ hypothetical speech is that they are generally factual or realistic goals or objectives; and in Paul's case, he uses 8 examples which are realistic but where they are conditioned by our attitude (or lack) of love.

Paul is certainly not suggesting that he cannot prophesy, which is something that he wants us all to do, but as he does not want to overly offend the Corinthians (and us) he is wisely substituting himself for the Corinthians by saying that if he does not have love then he gains nothing from these 8 conditional elements.

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A nice try but I'm afraid it doesn't work. It violates the rules of grammar.

A conditional statement always begins with an 'if', not an 'and'. There are only 5 'if's' in this passage, so there are five conditional statements.

If the protasis contains an 'and' then each part is a sub-condition that must be met before the result happens. For example "If I had time AND I had a car, then I would visit you." Both sub-conditions (having time and having a car) must be met before the visit occurs. So in this passage 'If I have the gift of prophecy AND know all mysteries and all knowledge' is a compound protasis where all subconditions must be met before the result occurs. ie even if I have the gift of prophecy and become omniscient, but have not love, I am nothing. This same structure of exaggerated hypothetical conditions is present in all 5 parallel statements.

Also, sandwiched right in the middle of three chapters about spiritual gifts, the context of the passage is clearly gifts. Each conditional statement is therefore an example of a spiritual gift. "Knowing all mysteries" is not a spiritual gift so cannot be a stand alone conditional. It is the exaggerated part of the prophecy conditional. This also means of course that 'tongues of men' is the spiritual gift of tongues (as even Fee is forced to admit), with 'and angels' being the hypothetical exaggeration.
 
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There are many commentators who take the view that the tongues in Acts 10 was identical to Pentecost because Peter's party noted that the gentiles were speaking in tongues and "magnifying God" in the same way as the disciples were at Pentecost.

The Corinthian church as whole is to desire spiritual gifts, not individuals. And the gifts they are to desire are the 'greater' ones such as prophecy and teaching which edify the assembly.

I read all that with great interest. You have been very thorough in your research and have quoted a good range of commentators. I do agree that Paul was concentrating on the public worship services and says that it is better to prophesy because members would be the more edified by what was being said.

We need to remember that Paul was selective in his teaching of tongues to the Corinthians because he was dealing with specific problems in the worship services. Giving teaching on a topic to deal with specific problems is quite different to giving teaching on a topic to give a full set of principles involving it. Paul was not giving the full teaching concerning spiritual gifts or tongues to the Corinthians, but only a selection, Therefore we cannot reliably say that tongues is to be used exclusively for public worship and not for private prayer.

Paul does imply that there is a function of tongues for private prayer, because he describes the use of tongues and then says "yet in the church", he would rather use prophecy. So he is drawing a distinction between the use of tongues in the church, that is, in the public meetings, and the use of tongues elsewhere outside of the public services.

There is nothing in Paul's teaching that we should note use tongues in private, or that the private use of tongues is not advised. I think the best interpretation is that there is a function of tongues in public services that needs interpretation, and there is another function of tongues that does not require interpretation and that is to be done somewhere outside of the public services.

It has also to be remembered that many of commentators, although they may or may not accept that tongues is to be used by modern believers, they may not be experienced in the practical use of tongues themselves, therefore they can only submit a theoretic account of tongues based on Paul's limited teaching in 1 Corinthians 14.

It is the same as saying that the sermon that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost was the whole sermon, when in fact Luke recorded on the main headlines, as it were, because he goes on to say that Peter continued preaching to them for some time after that, but does not go into detail about what Peter said.

So, it is quite possible (and I am commenting on a basis of silence I know), that when Paul was present in the churches, he would have gone into a lot more detail concerning the things of God, than what he wrote in his letters. Paul did not write comprehensive theological manuals. He wrote letters. These were limited, dealing with the most important issues that he wanted the church to know from him.

I just wonder if there were more comprehensive teaching manuals written in the First Century that dealt with these topics in more detail? I wonder if there are some in the Vatican secret vaults, which I know contain a lot of material written over the centuries. Of course, anything that the Vatican would not agree with would be filed away and suppressed, such as the information about many of the "heretical" movements that rose up and were brutally suppressed by the RCC. We are discovering that these movements were closer to the New Testament standard than has previously been realised by Church historians.

What I am saying is that there may be theological works by early Christians that may have dealt with the gifts of the Spirit, including tongues in more detail. It is well known that the supernatural gifts of the Spirit were widely accepted by the Church right up to the Fourth Century. And for those who are fluent in written Latin may be able to read the works of those early Christians. We have some works of Augustine translated into English, but there might be others not translated yet, so we have no idea what these men taught. Also, a lot of literature was destroyed by those opposed to Early Christianity, and so many works that may have been produced as the result of Paul's more comprehensive teaching may have been lost to us.

Of course, this is all just theory on my part, but it is interesting to contemplate. I am not saying that the Scripture is incomplete for a full experience with God in the Spirit, but it is incomplete when it comes to gaining comprehensive information about what was actually taught to the Early Church by the visiting Apostles and teachers.

In my view, the commentators who wrote in the First Century through to the 4th Century would, in my mind, be more reliable in their interpretations than more modern ones because of the passage of time and the "Chinese whispers" nature of subsequent interpretations. Also, the apostasy of the Church during the Medieval period would have affected the reliability of Scripture interpretation as well. First and Second Century commentators would have a much vaster range of personal experience and fresh input from the Apostles on which to base their interpretations.
 
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There are many commentators who take the view that the tongues in Acts 10 was identical to Pentecost because Peter's party noted that the gentiles were speaking in tongues and "magnifying God" in the same way as the disciples were at Pentecost. The Greek phrase for "magnifying God" (μεγαλυνόντων τὸν Θεόνin) is very similar to "declaring the mighty works of God" (μεγαλεῖα τοῦ Θεοῦ). Evidently someone in the party must have recognized the language to know they were magnifying God in tongues.
What you appear to fail to recognise is that when many (but not all) commentators make reference to Acts 10:47 “They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have”, is that they may not be referring to tongues being necessarily of the same genre but that it was the Holy Spirit who was given to both, irrespective if the tongues of Pentecost and Acts were the same or not.

Unlike those commentators who try and employ a bit of underhand commentary with this text, this is where the Continuist has the advantage in that as with many other similar passages, we can keep to the object of the particular passage and in this case it is with the giving of the Holy Spirit to both the Jews and then the Gentiles, where both have received the Holy Spirit, where the Gentiles later on received the Holy Spirit as the Jews initially had. Sadly for the cessationist, they have to move away from the purpose of Acts 10 where they start to insert unsubstantiated comment.

F F Bruce - Professor of Biblical Criticism and Exegesis, University of Manchester
The Book of Acts

The descent of the Spirit on those Gentiles was outwardly manifested in much the same way as it had been when the original disciples received the Spirit at Pentecost: they spoke with tongues and proclaimed the might works of God. ["Magnifying God" (μεγαλυνόντων τὸν Θεόν) in v.46 is synonymous with "declaring the mighty works of God" (λαλούντων ... τὰ μεγαλεῖα τοῦ Θεοῦ) in 2:11.]
If you look at what Bruce has said in this paragraph he does not say that the tongues of Acts 10 were in either known languages or a heavenly language, though he could certainly allude to such a thing elsewhere, but he certainly has not stated this in this particular section of his book (pp.216-218). What he does say is that the Holy Spirit fell upon the Roman Centurion, his family and friends just as he did on the Day of Pentecost. If the Spirit did fall upon this assembly exactly as he did on the Day of Pentecost in the very same sequence of events, then we would expect to see the tongues of fire and the sound of a rushing wind, but of course Peter makes no mention of these things.

In fact, Bruce cautiously advises his readers that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Romans “was not so much a second Pentecost . . .” where Bruce does not state that the tongues the Romans spoke were either in human or a heavenly tongue.
James Dunn - Professor of Divinity at the University of Durham,
Beginning from Jerusalem: Christianity in the Making

The particular evidence mentioned is their speaking in tongues and extolling God. The double echo of the experience and event of Pentecost is obviosuly deliberate. What happened to Cornelius and his companions was manifestly no different from what had happened to the first disciples on the day of Pentecost. How could 'the faithful from circumcision' affirm the one and deny the other? They couldn't.
Here again, Dunn makes absolutely no reference to the tongues the Romans spoke as being either known human languages or of the language of heaven. What Dunn is saying is that the giving of the Spirit to the Gentiles was proof enough of God’s decision to include the Gentiles into the Church. As page 399 is missing from Google Books we do not have enough information to know what Dunn believes on this matter – making a guess is obviously not good enough.

Mal Couch - president of the Tyndale Theological Seminary
A Bible Handbook to the Acts of the Apostles

Acts 10:44-48 refers to foreign languages because (1) Luke uses the same words to describe the phenomenon as in Acts 2:4, 11; (2) the listeners could not have understood that Cornelius and his household were magnifying God unless they understood them; (3) in Peter's subsequent report to the Jerusalem church, he said that the Gentiles had received the "like gift" (11:17) and that "the Holy Spirit fell upon them, just as upon us at the beginning" (11:15). This refers to the experience at Pentecost. This likeness of experience extends not only to the Spirit but also to the nature of tongues speaking in foreign languages.
Crouch makes the common mistake, or maybe he chooses to go along this particular pathway, where the cessationist position detracts from the object of Luke’s account where the key factor is the giving of the Holy Spirit to the Gentiles (10:47 “They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have”) to the supposed view that the Romans also spoke in known human languages, which is something that Luke has not recorded and if it had of occurred this way then he would have recorded it for us.

I.Howard Marshall - Professor Emeritus of New Testament Exegesis at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland.
The Acts of the Apostles

There could be no mistake about what had happened. Just as the first Jewish beleivers had received the Spirit and praised God in other tongues on the day of Pentecost, so now these Gentiles received the identical gift of God.
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Peter's comment brings out the fact that the experience of the Gentile converts was the same as that of the original recipients of the Spirit at the beginning, i.e. on the day of Pentecost. It is significant that he compares the experience of the Gentiles with that of the group in the upper room, rather than with that of the first converts from Jusaism: there is nothing that might suggest a status as 'second-class citizens' for the Gentiles.
Again, Marshall is not saying that their tongues were in known human languages or a heavenly language. Marshall (along with the Pentecostals) both agree that what happened on Day of Pentecost and with the Romans was the same, in that the Spirit of God fell upon those who were present, not that the Jews spoke in known human languages and that the Romans spoke in a heavenly tongues, but that both received the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

Eckhard J. Schnabel - Professor of New Testament Studies at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in South Hamilton, Massachusetts.
Acts
The fact that Cornelius and his household had received the Holy Spirit as a gift from the Lord could not be doubted since they suddenly spoke in unlearned languages, praising God. The last comment Suggests that Hebrew or Aramaic was among the languages being spoken-languages that Cornelius or Some of his friends may not have been able to speak but languages that Peter and his friends from Joppa would have understood. Luke does not say that all the assembled Gentiles spoke in tongues; it is possible some spoke in unlearned languages while others experienced invasive praise."
Schnabel has succumbed to the same fallacy as Crouch.


vanThanh Nguyen - Professor of New Testament Studies at Catholic Theological Union.
The description of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Gentiles is very similar to that of Pentecost (2:1-4).' The wording is strikingly the same-the "gift” of the Holy Spirit (as in 2:38), being "poured out” (2:17), "speaking in tongues and praising God" (2:4, 11). The narrator clearly wants the reader "to recall the Pentecost scene and acknowledge that Gentiles have been chosen by God to receive the same gift and the same power as Jesus' first followers received at the beginning of their mission.' Thus what happened to Cornelius and his household was no different from what happened to the first disciples on the day of Pentecost. Furthermore, Luke demonstrates that "receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit is essential to being a Christian, as is belief in Jesus as the Christ and Lord of all.'
The effect of the Holy Spirit, in particular the glossolalia, was so visible and so obvious that neither Peter nor the circumcised believers could doubt or deny it. Obviously God had accepted the Gentile Cornelius and his household. This event will therefore become an irrefutable test case for Peter to convince the Jerusalem church to fully accept Gentiles and to integrate them into the Christian community.'
I don’t know why you have quoted Nguyen as he has made no reference to the nature of the tongues the Romans spoke.
 
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A nice try but I'm afraid it doesn't work. It violates the rules of grammar.

A conditional statement always begins with an 'if', not an 'and'. There are only 5 'if's' in this passage, so there are five conditional statements.

If the protasis contains an 'and' then each part is a sub-condition that must be met before the result happens. For example "If I had time AND I had a car, then I would visit you." Both sub-conditions (having time and having a car) must be met before the visit occurs. So in this passage 'If I have the gift of prophecy AND know all mysteries and all knowledge' is a compound protasis where all subconditions must be met before the result occurs. ie even if I have the gift of prophecy and become omniscient, but have not love, I am nothing. This same structure of exaggerated hypothetical conditions is present in all 5 parallel statements.
I often find your rather strange applications of grammar to be rather bemusing.

What we have are eight conditional statements where each one is being governed by our attitude toward the key ingredient of love. Paul's use of 'and' is nothing more than a feature of grammar, where the and (kai) allows the sentence to flow.

Paul's 2--4--2 chiastic structure allows for his I become -- I am -- I gain.

For that matter, how can prophecy be deemed to be an exaggeration when we all know that Paul regularly prophesied and that he encouraged everyone else to seek to do the same?

Also, sandwiched right in the middle of three chapters about spiritual gifts, the context of the passage is clearly gifts. Each conditional statement is therefore an example of a spiritual gift. "Knowing all mysteries" is not a spiritual gift so cannot be a stand alone conditional. It is the exaggerated part of the prophecy conditional. This also means of course that 'tongues of men' is the spiritual gift of tongues (as even Fee is forced to admit), with 'and angels' being the hypothetical exaggeration.
Guess what, besides 'mysteries' not being a Manifestation of the Spirit (aka, spiritual gifts), Paul's giving of his possessions or his surrendering of his body to be burned (or to boast) are not Manifestations of the Spirit either. So Paul's introduction to chapter 13 is not specifically about Manifestations of the Spirit but more to do with our attitude to love, which is something that the cessationist is required to overlook.
 
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The actual speaking in tongues is very simple really. It is God who does the difficult stuff and He does not have to tell us the details of the process. All He expects is that we do the simple thing of making up the language in faith and speaking it out to Him, believing that we have the genuine gift of tongues and are doing it according to the guidelines that Paul has set out for us. We cannot know the inner workings of it. The Scripture says, "Who knows the mind of the Spirit except the Spirit Himself?" Tongues is like that. We don't know how it works, but it does when we launch out in faith and make up the language and speak it to God. I don't believe that just saying something like "bababababa" and nothing else is actually tongues. It is an articulate language and fluency comes very soon after the first attempts. It seems flow out. I have heard folks speak beautiful languages straight off after being shown the steps of receiving tongues and encouraging them to speak out in faith. They themselves have be totally surprised at the depth and fluency of language that has come out of them. They have been conscious of making up the language, but the sounds have come in such a way that their is a merging between the sounds they make up and the inspiration that comes to them with the sounds that come to their minds to say. It's like learning to play a musical instrument. Initially, we have to think about every note or chord we play. Then it seems that the notes and chords come automatically and we are able to sing and play, and we are able to sing along because the playing happens. Those who have learned to type, ride a bike, driven a car, or learned a guitar, know what I am talking about. Tongues happens in much the same way. After a while the language just comes when we choose to speak and there can be different languages for different purposes. The languages seem to come through our minds more than just from them. And we speak from our hearts and not just with our mouths. Also, once we have got used to speaking in tongues, the emphasis changes from "hey, I can speak in tongues", to directing our prayer and worship to God, using our native tongue and the gift of tongues as we choose is the most effective way of getting the desires of our hearts across to God. Tongues does not make us more spiritual or better Christians than those who don't speak in tongues. Tongues are part of the set of tools that we use to communicate with God in prayer.
I should have replied earlier by saying that I agree with your post but my point was that even though tongues is certainly uncomplicated, in that anyone can have the Holy Spirit speak through them to the Father in a heavenly tongue; in spite of this, as with ordinary prayer with the mind, we don't really know exactly how our prayer, be it with the mind or with the Spirit actually changes events or situations; though in the end our need to know how this all works essentially accounts for nought.
 
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In fact, it says that tongues is for the "unbeliever" not for God:
You might want to explain this point a bit more as it really makes no sense.

1 cor 14:22 22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers. Prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.
What Paul is saying is that uninterpreted tongues has an unfortunate negative outcome for the unregenerate visitor and for the cessationist, as neither understand the things of the Spirit, particularly with that of tongues.
 
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Paul does imply that there is a function of tongues for private prayer, because he describes the use of tongues and then says "yet in the church", he would rather use prophecy. So he is drawing a distinction between the use of tongues in the church, that is, in the public meetings, and the use of tongues elsewhere outside of the public services.

There is nothing in Paul's teaching that we should note use tongues in private, or that the private use of tongues is not advised. I think the best interpretation is that there is a function of tongues in public services that needs interpretation, and there is another function of tongues that does not require interpretation and that is to be done somewhere outside of the public services.

I agree Paul said he spoke in tongues outside church services. The question is where? He doesn't say. It can either be in private, where it would be contrary to the stated purpose of spiritual gifts, or it could be in public places where it would be in full accord.

It has also to be remembers that many of commentators, although they may or may not accept that tongues is to be used by modern believers, they may not be experienced in the practical use of tongues themselves, therefore they can only submit a theoretic account of tongues based on Paul's limited teaching in 1 Corinthians 14.

We must be careful never allow our personal experiences to dictate biblical doctrine. Our theology must come only from what scripture says, and not be molded by an experience we have encountered to say something different that aligns better with our experience.
 
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