Unchristian teachings of the Seventh Day Adventist Church....

[stuart lawrence]

The Sabbath is an important day.

It should be observed.

It is NOT always on Saturday.

The recognition of a sabbath to be observed is the first step. Brow-beating the day chosen isnt productive; God leads everyone to the truth personally. It took me 10 years between the time I recognized the Sabbath as a day of observance, and recognizing that the EXACT way to follow the Sabbath (and all holy days) is specifically and explicitly explained by God Himself - even in the CANON.

The "work" aspect of the Sabbath has spiritually improsoned believers since before Christ.

People are prisoners in their own homes on the Sabbath for fear of doing work like turning on lights, or driving for example. This "work" ethic is a human construct.

CHRIST picked and ate food, healed, ministered, etc. He did work, and the pharisees arrogantly, and ignorantly accused Him of breaking the Sabbath law.

This SAME ARGUMENT is being used to attack believers who believe in following the Sabbath.

If there are people judging the trajectory of the soul - for any reason - then that is problematic. But, I think erroneous judgment inside the Church is much worse than a believer wanting to follow the Sabbath, and encouraging their brothers/sisters to do the same.


It is, after all, in the bible canon.

Where is it written in the canon, when the new covenant is in operation, gentile converts are required to observe a set day Sabbath?
Cant find that written in my New Testement.
I read NIV

 

[Aryeh]

Where is it written in the canon, when the new covenant is in operation, gentile converts are required to observe a set day Sabbath?
Cant find that written in my New Testement.
I read NIV

A better question would be where did Christ, or God ever say that Hebrews and believers had to follow a different set of laws if they all want to be part of the same Covenant of God in the first place? No one has ever been able to show me where Christ said that the "OT" laws are void, that believers do not have to follow the Sabbath/10 commandments/Law of God (not law of Moses.) Why not? Because it doesn't exist from Christ or God's mouth.

The new covenant wasn't a law nullifier, it's purpose is to, in fac5, place the Law on the hearts of men so much so that no one will have to ask their neighbor, "who is God?"

 

[stuart lawrence]

A better question would be where did Christ, or God ever say that Hebrews and believers had to follow a different set of laws if they all want to be part of the same Covenant of God in the first place? No one has ever been able to show me where Christ said that the "OT" laws are void, that believers do not have to follow the Sabbath/10 commandments/Law of God (not law of Moses.) Why not? Because it doesn't exist from Christ or God's mouth.

The new covenant wasn't a law nullifier, it's purpose is to, in fac5, place the Law on the hearts of men so much so that no one will have to ask their neighbor, "who is God?"

I take it from your response you accept it Is NOT written In NT canon gentile believers are required to observe a set Sabbath day

 

[Aryeh]

I take it from your response you accept it Is NOT written In NT canon gentile believers are required to observe a set Sabbath day

Oh, it absolutely is.

What isn't in the bible at all is God or Christ qualifying different "categories" of believers to follow certain law of God.

That is purely human/doctrinal creation.

I responded the way I did because I have been through this before with things other than the OP.

MANY CLAIM we are "free" of the Law, yet not one has been able to give me a quote from Christ, or God (the only authorities) that explicitly shows them saying, "Christians who are not Hebrews do NOT have to follow my Law." There is no variation of this: Christ, nor God intimates that His Law is conditional upon the HUMAN.

So, when you ask me where Christ says that we should follow the Sabbath, I would point you to the Word of God - from Genesis 1/2 where God sanctified the Sabbath before the Law was given, to Exodus when it was a holy convocation while the Hebrews were wandering - before the law was given. Even up to Christ.

What neither God or Christ say is following the Sabbath is conditional upon your genetic status as an Hebrew. And, neither of them say that His Law is not to be followed for some people, and is for others. That is human doctrine.

There is nothing that contradicts the original many times God declares His word bond, founded and active.

Even the justice and sacrifice laws are sti in effect. The sacrifice is STAYED, with Christ. The justice laws - we got direct orders from the Word of God Himself to practice mercy before judgment. This was always the correct order; the Hebrews just forgot this the more reprobate they became.

But, judgment is still in effect; we are under grace and mercy. This grace and mercy doesn't mean you get to NOT follow His law.

Only Christ and/or God have the authority to amend, or change Law. And they haven't yet.

This is why I won't even bother with serious qualification of tangential doctrine: it is human based, and stumbling block provoking.

 

[4x4toy]

I have no problem with whoever believes it , I just think the Jews who think the OT law will save them had to maintain the law through the years to preserve the Jewish nation intact until Jesus is revealed to them .. I also think the protestant churchs are still under the influence of years of Catholic rule with some of the rituals and approach .

 

[stuart lawrence]

Oh, it absolutely is.

What isn't in the bible at all is God or Christ qualifying different "categories" of believers to follow certain law of God.

That is purely human/doctrinal creation.

I responded the way I did because I have been through this before with things other than the OP.

MANY CLAIM we are "free" of the Law, yet not one has been able to give me a quote from Christ, or God (the only authorities) that explicitly shows them saying, "Christians who are not Hebrews do NOT have to follow my Law." There is no variation of this: Christ, nor God intimates that His Law is conditional upon the HUMAN.

So, when you ask me where Christ says that we should follow the Sabbath, I would point you to the Word of God - from Genesis 1/2 where God sanctified the Sabbath before the Law was given, to Exodus when it was a holy convocation while the Hebrews were wandering - before the law was given. Even up to Christ.

What neither God or Christ say is following the Sabbath is conditional upon your genetic status as an Hebrew. And, neither of them say that His Law is not to be followed for some people, and is for others. That is human doctrine.

There is nothing that contradicts the original many times God declares His word bond, founded and active.

Even the justice and sacrifice laws are sti in effect. The sacrifice is STAYED, with Christ. The justice laws - we got direct orders from the Word of God Himself to practice mercy before judgment. This was always the correct order; the Hebrews just forgot this the more reprobate they became.

But, judgment is still in effect; we are under grace and mercy. This grace and mercy doesn't mean you get to NOT follow His law.

Only Christ and/or God have the authority to amend, or change Law. And they haven't yet.

This is why I won't even bother with serious qualification of tangential doctrine: it is human based, and stumbling block provoking.

I imagine then you trim your beard as required under the law.
I meerly wished to point out, there is no biblical command for gentile converts to observe a set day Sabbath under the new testement/ covenant.

The following Is however written:

One man considers one day more holy/ sacred than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

You are of course aware, the verses surrounding the above verse do not speak of feast days/ ceremonial days etc

So it seems, once the NC is in operation the canon supports my view, not yours

 

[Aryeh]

I imagine then you trim your beard as required under the law.
I meerly wished to point out, there is no biblical command for gentile converts to observe a set day Sabbath under the new testement/ covenant.

The following Is however written:

One man considers one day more holy/ sacred than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

You are of course aware, the verses surrounding the above verse do not speak of feast days/ ceremonial days etc

So it seems, once the NC is in operation the canon supports my view, not yours

Hey, you are responsible for the trajectory of your own soul.

I am not going to go through this again, as I have done it on here tok much with my "brethren" to no neutral or progressive avail.

 

[Aryeh]

I have no problem with whoever believes it , I just think the Jews who think the OT law will save them had to maintain the law through the years to preserve the Jewish nation intact until Jesus is revealed to them .. I also think the protestant churchs are still under the influence of years of Catholic rule with some of the rituals and approach .

With all I said, I don't believe at all that the following of the law justifies salvation.

This was the point of the OT biblical mentions: none of them, no matter how righteous, legally escaped death - except Christ.

I do think it is importance for OBEDIENCE and LOVE. But, a requirement for salvation? No. Or, to put it more eloauently: the trajectory of the soul is determined by the faith, belief and trust in Christ, as well as in His sacrifice and the promises of God. (But, all of this does require some sort of "display" to qualify these itemizations.)

And, I think people who are opponents of the argument promoting the Sabbath do not realize we are not saying that following the Law justifies salvation.

More precisely, perhaps, we are saying it justifies FAITH as an ACTIVE work, and qualifies obedience to God.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I imagine then you trim your beard as required under the law.
I meerly wished to point out, there is no biblical command for gentile converts to observe a set day Sabbath u der the new testement/ covenant.

The following I however written:

One man considers one day more holy/ sacred than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

You are of course aware, the verses surrounding the above verse do not speak of feast days/ ceremonial days etc

A better question would be where did Christ, or God ever say that Hebrews and believers had to follow a different set of laws if they all want to be part of the same Covenant of God in the first place? No one has ever been able to show me where Christ said that the "OT" laws are void, that believers do not have to follow the Sabbath/10 commandments/Law of God (not law of Moses.) Why not? Because it doesn't exist from Christ or God's mouth.

The new covenant wasn't a law nullifier, it's purpose is to, in fac5, place the Law on the hearts of men so much so that no one will have to ask their neighbor, "who is God?"

I'm glad you agree, under the new covenant, the law is written on the mind and placed on the hearts of men.

I'm sure you would also agree:

Through the law we become conscious of sin. Rom3:20

Therefore, if God has placed the law on your heart requiring the believer to observe a set day Sabbath, the believer MUST be conscious they sin by not observing it.

So if a person is not conscious they sin by failing to observe a set Sabbath day, This only leaves two possibilities.
Either that law has not been placed on their heart, or they cannot be a Christian. No way round That I'm afraid.

And so by SDA accepting as christians people who have no conscience they sin by failing to observe a set seventh day Sabbath, they testify to ignorance concerning the outworking of the NC

 

[4x4toy]

I'm glad you agree, under the new covenant, the law is written on the mind and placed on the hearts of men.

I'm sure you would also agree:

Through the law we become conscious of sin. Rom3:20

Therefore, if God has placed the law on your heart requiring the believer to observe a set day Sabbath, the believer MUST be conscious they sin by not observing it.

So if a person is not conscious they sin by failing to observe a set Sabbath day, This only leaves two possibilities.
Either that law has not been placed on their heart, or they cannot be a Christian. No way round That I'm afraid.

And so by SDA accepting as christians people who have no conscience they sin by failing to observe a set seventh day Sabbath, they testify to ignorance concerning the outworking of the NC

I think your heart is in the right place no doubt, but my salvation made me free from all things but Jesus to whom I will give an account of every idle word I ever spoke . No problem Bro .

 

[stuart lawrence]

I think your heart is in the right place no doubt, but my salvation made me free from all things but Jesus to whom I will give an account of every idle word I ever spoke . No problem Bro .

I'm not sure you understand my post.
People who insist you must obey a set day Sabbath accept those as Christians who have no conscience at failing to observe it.
That is not possible under the terms of the NC.

Jesus did set us free from the condemnation of the law, but he did NOT set us free from a conscience If we commit wilful sin

 

[4x4toy]

I'm not sure you understand my post.
People who insist you must obey a set day Sabbath accept those as Christians who have no conscience at failing to observe it.
That is not possible under the terms of the NC.

Jesus did set us free from the condemnation of the law, but he did NOT set us free from a conscience If we commit wilful sin

Sorry Stuart I think I quoted the wrong post , I meant to quote "Aryeh"

 

[PROPHECYKID]

If we look at what the commandment actually says ,we labor for 6 days and rest on the seventh.
That's it in a nutshell ,I would rather honor the context of the commandment than try to figure out if I'm in sin over a corrupted calender.
When we base Heaven or Hell on a gambit of what is the correct day,I would much rather do as God said and work six days and rest from my work on the seventh.

Colossians: 2. 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So here you are questioning whether the days were mixed up by the changes made in the calendar over the years. What we know is that the changes in the calendar never affected the weekly cycle. Tuesday always followed Monday, etc, etc. What a change in the calendar affected was the date.

But remember who it was that created the Sabbath. God blessed the 7th day and hallowed it and set apart that day for rest and communion with him. The 4th commandment not only says to rest on the 7th day but says why as well. It says in verse 11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

So God blessed the Sabbath and made it holy which means that you cannot pick which day you want for the Sabbath because it was given a special blessing and sanctified.

Now concerning Colossians 2:16. Verse 14 says, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

The reason for verse 16 is because the handwriting of ordinances was blotted out and nailed to the cross. The handwriting of ordinances was the law written by Moses, which was placed on the side of the Ark and contained rules concerning ceremonies, sacrifices, feasts and ordinances which were a shadow of the work that Jesus Christ would ultimately do. These things were a shadow.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Also look at:

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

What was nailed to the cross was the sanctuary system and all the laws that came as a result of this imperfect system which was put in place temporarily as a shadow of the ministry of Christ. Where does the sabbath days in Cor 2:16 then come in? Every holy day in the sanctuary system was made a sabbath day in addition to the weekly sabbath day. But these Sabbath days were yearly which means it could fall on any day of the week. Whenever one of these ceremonial sabbaths fell on the Sabbath day it was considered a High Holy day. 1 Cor 2:16 is not referring to the weekly sabbath. It is referring to these additional sabbaths that were institutied as a part of the sanctuary system. Let me show you know that the Law that Moses wrote was separated from the 10 commandments.

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Moses Law was placed on the side of the ark

Deu 10:5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.

The 10 commandments were placed in the ark

Moses Law contained rules concerning the monthly and weekly sabbaths, and special holy days such as a the day of atonement. God's 10 commandments commands the observance of the 7th day Sabbath which was instituted as created, long before the Sanctuary system was put in place.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Churches that continually stress:
The Ten Commandments
Observe a set seventh day Sabbath

Are following after the written code, not the Holy Spirit.

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law and serve I the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code rom7:5

The idea the vast majority of people who go to church are In wilfull rebellion against God is crazy.

Those who follow the written code cannot accept rom14:5
Those who follow the Spirit can

 

[now faith]

So here you are questioning whether the days were mixed up by the changes made in the calendar over the years. What we know is that the changes in the calendar never affected the weekly cycle. Tuesday always followed Monday, etc, etc. What a change in the calendar affected was the date.

But remember who it was that created the Sabbath. God blessed the 7th day and hallowed it and set apart that day for rest and communion with him. The 4th commandment not only says to rest on the 7th day but says why as well. It says in verse 11 "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

So God blessed the Sabbath and made it holy which means that you cannot pick which day you want for the Sabbath because it was given a special blessing and sanctified.

Now concerning Colossians 2:16. Verse 14 says, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

The reason for verse 16 is because the handwriting of ordinances was blotted out and nailed to the cross. The handwriting of ordinances was the law written by Moses, which was placed on the side of the Ark and contained rules concerning ceremonies, sacrifices, feasts and ordinances which were a shadow of the work that Jesus Christ would ultimately do. These things were a shadow.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Also look at:

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Heb 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

What was nailed to the cross was the sanctuary system and all the laws that came as a result of this imperfect system which was put in place temporarily as a shadow of the ministry of Christ. Where does the sabbath days in Cor 2:16 then come in? Every holy day in the sanctuary system was made a sabbath day in addition to the weekly sabbath day. But these Sabbath days were yearly which means it could fall on any day of the week. Whenever one of these ceremonial sabbaths fell on the Sabbath day it was considered a High Holy day. 1 Cor 2:16 is not referring to the weekly sabbath. It is referring to these additional sabbaths that were institutied as a part of the sanctuary system. Let me show you know that the Law that Moses wrote was separated from the 10 commandments.

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Moses Law was placed on the side of the ark

Deu 10:5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.

The 10 commandments were placed in the ark

Moses Law contained rules concerning the monthly and weekly sabbaths, and special holy days such as a the day of atonement. God's 10 commandments commands the observance of the 7th day Sabbath which was instituted as created, long before the Sanctuary system was put in place.

Deuteronomy: 5. 12. Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14. But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

By what means do you know the first or the last day?
Six days thou shalt labor,and do all thy work.
But the seventh day is the Sabbath.
God does not mention a certain day,He commands a rest on the 7th day from your work.
Have you considered the Wisdom of God in knowing one day there would be millions of working Christians ?
Not all work Sunday through Saturday.
Not to mention world time difference.


No you cannot change the Bible to fit a doctrine:

Colossians: 2. 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19. And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20. Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21. (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22. Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23. Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Here is the rest of the passage,notice the touch not taste not handle not,they are doctrines of men not God.

Paul was rebuking knostisism in the Hebrew people who tried to subvert His teaching of the Gospel of Christ.

Trying to abide in a doctrine given by a prophet of another Gospel ,that contends on many points with the plain truth of God's Word is false doctrine.
The Old Testament is truth and God's word,God has not Changed,Christ has fulfilled the law.

Galatians: 3. 9. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14. That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

If you want to vow a covenant before God,I do not condemn you for this.

Romans: 14. 1. Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Simply do not condemn others who do not keep Mrs Whites vision of rules to live by.

 

[now faith]

If you are Going to keep the Law you must keep the whole Law.
On the Sabbath the Levites ministered to the people on the Sabbath day, if you are not a Levite you have no right to teach or set up Church on the Sabbath day. If the Sabbath is a moral law, how could Jesus break it without sinning? Jn 5:18


Hebrews: 9. 14. How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15. And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

 

[4x4toy]

A better question would be where did Christ, or God ever say that Hebrews and believers had to follow a different set of laws if they all want to be part of the same Covenant of God in the first place? No one has ever been able to show me where Christ said that the "OT" laws are void, that believers do not have to follow the Sabbath/10 commandments/Law of God (not law of Moses.) Why not? Because it doesn't exist from Christ or God's mouth.

The new covenant wasn't a law nullifier, it's purpose is to, in fac5, place the Law on the hearts of men so much so that no one will have to ask their neighbor, "who is God?"

If Ellen White taught that Jesus was Michael the Arch Angel instead of the only begotten Son of God, I have a problem ..
If she teaches I must work for salvation instead of faith in Jesus as my Lord and author of my salvation, strike two ..
If she tells me I must trust and obey the old Covenant Law out of necessity for any part of my salvation , swing and a miss, strike three .

The crux of the matter imo is to love God and our fellow man willfully in Spirit and truth . Do not forsake the assembling of ourselves is not restricted to time or place .

 

[now faith]

A better question would be where did Christ, or God ever say that Hebrews and believers had to follow a different set of laws if they all want to be part of the same Covenant of God in the first place? No one has ever been able to show me where Christ said that the "OT" laws are void, that believers do not have to follow the Sabbath/10 commandments/Law of God (not law of Moses.) Why not? Because it doesn't exist from Christ or God's mouth.

The new covenant wasn't a law nullifier, it's purpose is to, in fac5, place the Law on the hearts of men so much so that no one will have to ask their neighbor, "who is God?"

Here

Acts: 15. 24. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25. It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26. Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29. That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

 

[Aryeh]

If Ellen White taught that Jesus was Michael the Arch Angel instead of the only begotten Son of God, I have a problem ..
If she teaches I must work for salvation instead of faith in Jesus as my Lord and author of my salvation, strike two ..
If she tells me I must trust and obey the old Covenant Law out of necessity for any part of my salvation , swing and a miss, strike three .

The crux of the matter imo is to love God and our fellow man willfully in Spirit and truth . Do not forsake the assembling of ourselves is not restricted to time or place .

This is the fourth time on this forum I have had direct, or tangential association with Ellen White because of my position on the Law and Sabbath.

Is it so farfetched that people choose to follow the Sabbath because of the Word of God, and not because of a human?

I am not SDA, have nothing necessarily against them.

As I said, no one in life, or on these forums, has been able to show me where Christ or God said His law is conditional upon the believer, conditional upon the person''s genetic Hebrew lineage, and/or that any of it is null, void or inert.

Until someone can show me where either Christ, or God said we can freely ignore any of His law because of whatever reason, I will certainly oblige that spiritual trajectory.

But, since I am responsible for the trajectory of my own soul, I have to take Christ''s word for what it is: not one iota or tittle of the law will pass away until heaven and earth do, and He didn't come to destroy the law - but to fulfil it. I also have to take God's word for it about the New Covenant - that it is a covenant that outs the LAW on the HEART of every man so that NO ONE has to ask their neighbor, "do you know God?" It says nothing about ignoring His law for any person of condition; quite the contrary. The terms of His contract for those who want to be His people are explicitly laid out.

 

[Aryeh]

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Acts: 15. 24. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25. It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26. Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27. We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28. For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29. That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Christ, or God.

No humans; I want it straight from the "Horse''s mouth" - from the Word of God Himself.

I humbly respect the biblical heroes and prophets, but they are human. Even the disciples had infighting, and disputes on the word of God.

I can't go to God and tell Him, "But, but, but... this HUMAN told me it was OK!" He will look at me and say, "was that Human my Son?" And, when I say, "No," then He will reiterate the importance of belief and faith in the Word of God, not word of men.