5 Challenges to Trump's Wall

[South Bound]

And let's not forget that Trumps economic policies have the potential to damage the Mexican economy forcing millions more Mexicans to head north looking for work.

No problem. Just let them follow legal channels and if they have skills and can support themselves, they'll be eligible for citizenship just like anybody else.

If they're border criminals who just come here to mooch off taxpayers, then they should be arrested and sent back.

 

[Bob S]

To a certain degree I find a lot of this ironic, as many of the families saying this had the luxury of their ancestors coming over in droves when immigration only turned away ~2% of people who tried to come in. Now that they have theirs they want to stop so many others from trying to achieve the same dream for them and their children.

Why were 2% turned away? My grandparents came to this country as productive citizens. Grandma spoke five languages and was productive the minute she walked on shore. All of our immigrant ancestors since the 1800's were screened before they could come into our country and there were limits as to how many could be absorbed into society

I want border security, but that is mainly to keep criminals and terrorists out. It doesn't make much sense to have the TSA groping me every time i want to get on a plane when someone can just walk into the country.

We are searched because of all the bad apples we have left into the US on visas and illegally.

The wall is going to take a while. In order to be built in nearly the time frame Trump desires, congress would have to fast track funding. the ~$25 billion needed isn't something Congress is going to be wanting to cough up easily. then you have all the eminent domain issues. That can get tied up in court for years.

Eminent domain probably has already been established along the border. All that I have seen depicts roads along the way used to patrol. And why would any US citizen living in terror along the border not want to give the government right away to then protect them and the rest of our country? That is not much of an excuse if you ask me.

He would probably be better off building it in sections, starting with large tracks that aren't on private land, are easy to construct on, and are hot spots for crossings. Doing this while hiring more border patrol would help security and give time to shore the rest of the funding and hash out the domain issues.

Write and tell him your opinion. Maybe he will think your idea is worthy to be used.

As for tariffs, they are a terrible idea. It could spark trade wars and greatly damage the economy, and if it hits mexico even harder we could end up with more illegals flooding over.

It could, but it undoubtedly will not. Maybe some trade wars would be a welcome idea. How much more can our economy be damaged more than it has been. Idle decaying factories all over the nation are a good reminder of the state of our nation at the present. We are living on our past wealth to a large degree.

If it hits Mexico then we had better be prepared by having the fence in place wouldn't you think? If our economy continues to falter with a growth rate of 1% Mexico will go down along with us no matter trade wars or not. Our debts to other countries will never be lowered and the country could go into a great depression. This is especially true if interest rates rise much higher. Is this what the left wants? It surely looks like they cannot see beyond the ends of their noses.

 

[South Bound]

Well, I can find a lot of them...check every public school in Texas. Mexico deports their illegals in 72 hours.

That's one of the most galling things about it.

Mexico actually has very strict immigration laws and has no problem finding and deporting those who are there illegally.

But somehow, it's wrong when we do it.

In addition to actually enforcing US Code 1324-1325, let's start placing very heavy fines on those who hire or rent to border criminals.

Then we use that money to offer a reward for information leading to the arrest and deportation of border criminals.

Make life so hard for them here that they self deport.

Also we should stop counting the children of border criminals when doling out school funding.

 

[blackribbon]

You didn't need a sponsor, you just needed to not have a criminal history, be sick or be considered an anarchist. Jobs were not a problem, as companies would pick up the immigrants immediately, some even recruited them in their own home countries. This was part of the reason for backlash against Italian and Irish immigrants. They came in huge numbers and took many jobs at lower wages.

Unless you are a highly skilled professional, you still need a sponsor to immigrate to the US. There were lots of people who got stranded at Ellis Island because their sponsors didn't show up (probably stole their money). Maybe the companies you are talking about found sponsors for the people they recruited...(and obviously, they were guaranteeing jobs and most likely housing).

 

[LoAmmi]

In addition to actually enforcing US Code 1324-1325, let's start placing very heavy fines on those who hire or rent to border criminals.

How about we do that and not build an expensive, useless, stupid wall? We could then take the wall funds and, I don't know, dump it into these federal health clinics that are supposed to replace Planned Parenthood.

 

[blackribbon]

How about we do that and not build an expensive, useless, stupid wall? We could then take the wall funds and, I don't know, dump it into these federal health clinics that are supposed to replace Planned Parenthood.

Do you really not have a fence around your personal property? Fences are not "stupid" and they serve a useful purpose. Mine keeps my dog off my neighbor's property and designates where he is legally allowed to run without a leash. It also keeps the neighbor's dog off my property. Many nations have fences when there is a problem with recognizing borders and immigration laws...even Mexico has built one on their south side to keep out illegal immigrants from Guatemala.

 

[South Bound]

Unless you are a highly skilled professional, you still need a sponsor to immigrate to the US. There were lots of people who got stranded at Ellis Island because their sponsors didn't show up (probably stole their money). Maybe the companies you are talking about found sponsors for the people they recruited...(and obviously, they were guaranteeing jobs and most likely housing).

The "highly skilled" part should be a requirement to come here.

We really don't need any more day laborers or landscapers.

 

[LoAmmi]

Do you really not have a fence around your personal property? Fences are not "stupid" and they serve a useful purpose. Mine keeps my dog off my neighbor's property and designates where he is legally allowed to run without a leash. It also keeps the neighbor's dog off my property. Many nations have fences when there is a problem with recognizing borders and immigration laws...even Mexico has built one on their south side to keep out illegal immigrants from Guatemala.

I don't have a concrete wall where a fence can serve the purpose.

 

[Bob S]

How about we do that and not build an expensive, useless, stupid wall? We could then take the wall funds and, I don't know, dump it into these federal health clinics that are supposed to replace Planned Parenthood.

Stupid Wall? I notice you are Jewish. I too am 46% Jewish. Why 46%, who knows. Anyway, was it stupid for Israel to build a fence to protect its citizens from the havoc inflicted on them? Don't be silly friend.

Health clinics that do not kill unborn babies would be a welcome sight. Hitler set up furnaces to annihilate his unwanted. The left has set up planned parenthood to annihilate their unwanted. I would be ashamed.

 

[LoAmmi]

Stupid Wall? I notice you are Jewish. I too am 46% Jewish. Why 46%, who knows. Anyway, was it stupid for Israel to build a fence to protect its citizens from the havoc inflicted on them? Don't be silly friend.

Health clinics that do not kill unborn babies would be a welcome sight. Hitler set up furnaces to annihilate his unwanted. The left has set up planned parenthood to annihilate their unwanted. I would be ashamed.

Yet another people who wants to substitute "fence" and "wall" as if they are the same thing entirely.

 

[Bob S]

I don't have a concrete wall where a fence can serve the purpose.

Dogs cannot cut fences, Mexicans can and do.

 

[blackribbon]

How about we do that and not build an expensive, useless, stupid wall? We could then take the wall funds and, I don't know, dump it into these federal health clinics that are supposed to replace Planned Parenthood.

...umm....those government health clinics are usually run by the county or state and they already exist....they don't need to "replace" Planned Parenthood because they are already out there performing the same services ...

I kind of doubt that the Hispanic population is frequenting Planned Parenthood because they tend to be Catholic and don't believe in birth control or abortion.

 

[blackribbon]

Yet another people who wants to substitute "fence" and "wall" as if they are the same thing entirely.

It really is...we are not talking about 4 foot hurricane wire fences but very tall solid barriers. So you are saying you are okay with a fence but not a wall?

Did you even look at the link that shows what the current fence looks like?

Here's another view. us mexico border fence - Bing images

 

[LoAmmi]

Dogs cannot cut fences, Mexicans can and do.

Ok, the point is that people come here for work because they can't find work, right? So, penalizing companies that hire these people would be a solution that fixes the problem.

I'm not trying to compare immigrants to rodents, but if you have a problem with rodents coming into your house because you leave food out, building a whole bunch of measures around your house to keep them out is less efficient than removing the food. Right now we seem to want to build a giant wall to keep people out when if we removed the reason to come here, they wouldn't want to come anyway!

 

[LoAmmi]

It really is...we are not talking about 4 foot hurricane wire fences but very tall solid barriers. So you are saying you are okay with a fence but not a wall?

During the campaign, Trump spoke about building a 30 foot high concrete wall. I'm soundly against that. It's stupidly expensive, hard to maintain, and wouldn't solve the problem. If we're talking about a fence, while I think it doesn't fix the problem, at least it isn't wasting 10+ billion dollars a year.

 

[Radrook]

Not necessarily... I already posted a thread that shows that it's most likely going to be Mexican construction companies building the wall... after all, they're closer to the site, and they work cheaper.

Mexico's going to build a wall and make America pay for it.

Nothing like a massive construction project to jump-start the local economy, eh?

But that looks as if it's giving a boost to Mexico's economy not ours! Aren't American workers going to be employed in constructing the wall? Or is that going to mainly benefit illegals and other Mexican immigrants who accept very low wages?

 

[Radrook]

Ok, the point is that people come here for work because they can't find work, right? So, penalizing companies that hire these people would be a solution that fixes the problem.

I'm not trying to compare immigrants to rodents, but if you have a problem with rodents coming into your house because you leave food out, building a whole bunch of measures around your house to keep them out is less efficient than removing the food. Right now we seem to want to build a giant wall to keep people out when if we removed the reason to come here, they wouldn't want to come anyway!

Rodents have the knack of using they teef to gnaw through barriers too. That's another thing to keep in mind. Not that Mexicans are rodents. Just saying.

 

[Bob S]

Ok, the point is that people come here for work because they can't find work, right? So, penalizing companies that hire these people would be a solution that fixes the problem.

I'm not trying to compare immigrants to rodents, but if you have a problem with rodents coming into your house because you leave food out, building a whole bunch of measures around your house to keep them out is less efficient than removing the food. Right now we seem to want to build a giant wall to keep people out when if we removed the reason to come here, they wouldn't want to come anyway!

Good point if it were true that all illegals were here to find work. Unfortunately, many that come into our country are not here to find work. They are here to create havoc. Will taking away the food keep those people from wanting to come? I read where the Muslims and other nationalities are infiltrating our country from Mexico. What might they be up to doing?

 

[LoAmmi]

Good point if it were true that all illegals were here to find work. Unfortunately, many that come into our country are not here to find work. They are here to create havoc. Will taking away their food keep those people from wanting to come? I read where the Muslims and other nationalities are infiltrating our country from Mexico. What might they be up to doing?

Who's coming here to create havoc? There are millions of them here now, where's all the havoc? Seems like they'd be better at it.

No, most people come here because they are fleeing where they were and there are jobs here that will take them. Maybe some come here to be jerks, fine, but not millions, probably not even half a percent of them come here to do that. Take away the jobs, the people will not come here.

Then we could work at finding a way to help the people here become legal citizens, since deporting millions of people is also a waste of money.

 

[wing2000]

This is the kind of border wall Mexico builds.....complete with barbed wire and armed guard towers
mexico guatemala border - Bing images

That photo is NOT what you say it is...

The terrain alone is a no starter...