How to explain 13.8 billion years?

[Open Heart]

When God creates Adam with an apparent age, with all his biological and physiological processes in motion, oxygen already in his bloodstream, that's all peachy

The first man was not created as an adult. He was born just like you and I. His parents were very much like him, so much like him that probably looking at them you would not see the difference, but there was something essentially different. Man was made from the dust of the earth, and there were a gazillion steps in between.

Now go back and answer my question, or do you not dare?

 

[4x4toy]

Actually when God says no more light

The first man was not created as an adult. He was born just like you and I. His parents were very much like him, so much like him that probably looking at them you would not see the difference, but there was something essentially different. Man was made from the dust of the earth, and there were a gazillion steps in between.

Now go back and answer my question, or do you not dare?

Where did Eve come from ?

 

[DamianWarS]

Lucifer was Satan's name - given to him by God - before he became the devil.

This is an example of how folklore and myth can shape people's way they approach things. Here in this modern age with printed scripture for over 400 years and with the internet at our disposal people still cling to myth over knowledge that Satan's proper name is Lucifer.

Lucifer is a Latin word and in the Latin text it is used for both Satan and Jesus. It is just a regular word and it means light bearer but we would rather believe the myth and legend that it's Satan's proper name given to him before his fall. I would rather call Jesus Lucifer then let Satan have that title.

We let these things happen and ignore the facts because what we "feel" often trumps knowledge. (For example what was your reaction when I said I would rather call Jesus Lucifer.) In the ancient world this was a 1000 times stronger yet we choose to believe that knowledge over a 2000 year time span (creation to Moses) somehow triumphed over myth when there wasn't even a written record. We can't even do that today in a quarter of the time span.

 

[dad]

The first man was not created as an adult. He was born just like you and I. His parents were very much like him, so much like him that probably looking at them you would not see the difference, but there was something essentially different. Man was made from the dust of the earth, and there were a gazillion steps in between.

??? Adam was born and not created? Funny that your gazillion steps are wholly made up and not in the bible. Is God not so clever as to be able to tell us such a thing if it were true? How does that work, when He walked in the garden with them, each step was a trillion miles? Let me guess, there was no garden? My experience with folks who toss out creation while pretending not to have done so is that they also tossed out the rest of the bible for all intents and purposes!

 

[dad]

I would rather call Jesus Lucifer then let Satan have that title..

Since Lucifer fell, that would be blasphemy despite your preferences.

 

[Open Heart]

Actually when God says no more light


Where did Eve come from ?

It appears that Adam came first. Mitochondrial Eve lived *approximately* 200,000 years ago. Y-chromosomal Adam lived *approximately* 200,000 - 300,000 years ago. Eve was most likely born of a human father.

 

[dad]

It appears that Adam came first. Mitochondrial Eve lived *approximately* 200,000 years ago. Y-chromosomal Adam lived *approximately* 200,000 - 300,000 years ago.

Was that after the Easter Bunny? Keep us posted.

 

[4x4toy]

It appears that Adam came first. Mitochondrial Eve lived *approximately* 200,000 years ago. Y-chromosomal Adam lived *approximately* 200,000 - 300,000 years ago. Eve was most likely born of a human father.

 

[Open Heart]

??? Adam was born and not created? Funny that your gazillion steps are wholly made up and not in the bible.

God used evolution to create. Man was made from the dust of the earth and there were a gazillion steps in between.

 

[Open Heart]

Let me guess, there was no garden?

The garden is symbolic of the primal innocence of our ancestors before they became fully sentient, before he began to think morally. It is representative of the time when our ancestors were fully a part of nature. Now that we are human beings, bodies are still animal, but our souls are no longer that of animals and we are no longer in harmony with nature. Thus, we no longer live in "the garden."

 

[dad]

God used evolution to create.

Says you. He says He formed man and breathed life into him, and then took a bone and created Eve for the guy. He says He put them in a nice garden. Why would anyone care what you say about thing you know nothing about?

 

[dad]

The garden is symbolic of the primal innocence of our ancestors before they became fully sentient, before he began to think morally.

Says you. However the garden is referred to in other parts of the bible, and nowhere is your bizarre fable supported.
I prefer a Christian view thanks.

It is representative of the time when our ancestors were fully a part of nature.

An representative of when the Easter Bunny stole Santa's hat? Why make stuff up?

Now that we are human beings, bodies are still animal, but our souls are no longer that of animals and we are no longer in harmony with nature.

And we are gods who know God had it wrong? Get serious.

Thus, we no longer live in "the garden."

Right, some live in la la land I guess.

 

[Armoured]

The astronomers say the visible universe is 13.8 billion years old,
the vast distance can prove that.
Then, how valid is the Church to insist it is only 6000+ years old?

"The Church" doesn't insist on anything of the sort.

 

[dad]

"The Church" doesn't insist on anything of the sort.

No. The church in most people's minds is actually hundreds of outfits with varying stories and varying degrees of belief in Jesus as creator, and His word.

The actual church is real believers. They do actually believe Scripture.

 

[prodromos]

The first man was not created as an adult. He was born just like you and I. His parents were very much like him, so much like him that probably looking at them you would not see the difference, but there was something essentially different. Man was made from the dust of the earth, and there were a gazillion steps in between.

God made man in one step just as is described in the Scriptures. One of the clear demonstrations of Jesus' divinity was when He made new eyes from clay for the man born without eyes in John 9, just as He had made Adam from the dust of the earth.

Now go back and answer my question, or do you not dare?

What question are you talking about, and why all the drama?

 

[Jesus_is_Saint]

Did God create a finite or infinite universe?

 

[SkyWriting]

Because that would mean God left evidence that the universe existed much longer, evidence that would confuse and deceive us. IOW God would be a liar. Which of course he is not.

Scripture describes how men, even the faithful, are often deceived.
So the general rule is not "Whatever I think God says is correct."
And certainly not "What people conclude - is correct."

Jeremiah 20:7
O LORD, You have deceived me and I was deceived; You have overcome me and prevailed I have become a laughingstock all day long; Everyone mocks me.

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Lord GOD! Surely You have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, 'You will have peace'; whereas a sword touches the throat."

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

1 Kings 22:23
"Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you."

 

[SkyWriting]

Did God create a finite or infinite universe?

Likely infinite, but that would take just as long to measure it.

 

[JackRT]

Since Lucifer fell, that would be blasphemy despite your preferences.

Isaiah 14:12 ”How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!” There is a very common perception that the 'Lucifer' in this verse refers to Satan, the supernatural personification of evil. I think that this misconception comes from two sources. The first is wishful thinking in the sense that it is nice to think that 'the Enemy' will get his come-uppance eventually. The second has to do with the old caution that scripture is to be read only 'in context'. This requires going back and reading all of Isaiah 13 and the earlier verses in Isaiah 14. When this is done we suddenly realize that scripture is not speaking of a supernatural Satan at all but of a Babylonian king with an immense ego. Read Isaiah 14:4 “You will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:" What follows is a long rant against this oppressive king filled with numerous reference to his human nature like Isaiah 14:16 “Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, 17 the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?" This passage is in no way a reference to Satan or the devil. That anyone would draw that conclusion is, to me, somewhat naïve.

 

[DamianWarS]

Since Lucifer fell, that would be blasphemy despite your preferences.

since you chose to ignore the rest of what I said let me repeat myself. "lucifer" is a latin word and it is not the proper name of satan. in the latin vulgate the word lucifer is used to figuratively refer to Satan... but it also is used to refer to Jesus. It's just a word and there is nothing special about it.

The fact that you refuse to accept this and continue to perpetuate a myth shows that despite our modern technology and wide access to scripture (not to mention me telling you) myths still prevail over truth. This is an example of how what we believe and what we feel or our "heart values" often trumps truth or literal events. This was a 1000 times greater in an ancient's mind. from creation to Moses was 2000 years so that was a whole lot of time for a myth to take root.

We can't stop it today (which you prove) what makes you think an ancient with no access to scripture, no leader, no law, little knowledge of God, and enslaved by a much more powerful and articulate nation, was able to?