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Did Jesus tell us to follow Moses 10 commandments?

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Incorrect. The Sabbath was always Saturday. The Catholics changed it by lies and force. The Catholics admit to changing the day. They admit Saturday is the correct day. Just like the Jews who knew full well Jesus was the Christ and denied Him, the Catholics chose Sunday for whatever reason knowing full well Saturday is the correct Sabbath denying truth.
Sorry but you are mistaken. Look properly into the history, not just the little SDA tract.

1. PLINY'S LETTER, AD 107
Pliny was governor of Bithynia, in Asia Minor, from AD 106-108. He wrote in AD 107 to Trajan, the emperor, concerning the Christians. He writes:

They were wont to meet together, on a stated day before it was light, and sing among themselves alternately a hymn to Christ as God....When these things were performed, it was their custom to separate and then to come together again to a meal which they ate in common without any disorder.

This was most likely a Sunday, "Upon the first day of the week when the disciples came together to break bread" Acts 20:7 (Note 1 Corinthians 16:2).

2. IN AD 120 THE EPISTLE OF BARNABAS says in chapter 2:

Incense is a vain abomination unto me, and your new moons and Sabbaths I cannot endure. He has, therefore, abolished these things.

and in chapter 25

Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day, also, on which Jesus rose again from the dead

There are many more examples throughout history showing that the Christians came together on Sunday but didn't call the Sunday a Sabbath. You must realise Constantine is not changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, he is making Sunday the official day of rest for the Roman Empire. There was no "one-day-sabbath" for Christians after AD 70 when the temple was destroyed. Sabbath was a perpetual rest in the finished work of Jesus. They often met together on a Sunday before Constantine made this decree. Adventists are mistaken.
 
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They are impossible if you try to live by them because that is not what God wants from us. God wants us to allow his Holy Spirit to lead us to love. That is how we please God. Surrender to the cross.
The ten commandments help us to know what love "looks like", because until we've finally reached that goal of holiness we're still a bit crude in terms of holiness, in terms of loving as we should, truth be told. It's good to hear the Law, which issued from the Holy Spirit as well, simply being the revealed will of God for man. God wants it all to become internalized, so that righteousness flows spontaneously from the heart, but until then instruction is good; it can never be wrong to see or hear righteousness defined.
 
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The ten commandments help us to know what love "looks like", because until we've finally reached that goal of holiness we're still a bit crude in terms of holiness, in terms of loving as we should, truth be told. It's good to hear the Law, which issued from the Holy Spirit as well, simply being the revealed will of God for man. God wants it all to become internalized, so that righteousness flows spontaneously from the heart, but until then instruction is good; it can never be wrong to see or hear righteousness defined.
The 10 Commandments do little to help you understand the type of love that God us into. How hard is it not to kill? Steal? Etc... The only difficult commandments are those dealing with love because there are an infinite ways to love. No one told the Samaritan how to love the injured man by the road.

How many Christians fail to love each and every day but seem to be obedient to the 10? All.
 
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I maintain that followers of Jesus, people who yield to the Holy Spirit living in them, will grow to be in great desire that they:

1) have no other gods but the God of the Bible;
2) will not have or make or worship any idol, neither a physical nor any other idol;
3) will not take God's name in vain;
4) will have a weekly day to put daily endeavors aside and rest and worship God (discussion about which day is another topic);
5) have honor for their parents;
6) never kill;
7) never commit adultery;
8) never steal;
9) never lie;
10) never covet.

Whenever the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) are at work in a person, I believe that considering breaking any one of the 10 Commandments simply would not cross their mind, or if it did, the HS would direct their thinking back to obedience to Jesus. Such is the power of love that Christians obedient to the Holy Spirit receive.
 
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Jesus was born under the law, which means that if He had added to or subtracted from the Mosaic law, then he would have sinned (Deuteronomy 4:2) and disqualified himself from being our Messiah. However, when the Sermon on the Mount is correctly understood, Jesus did not give any brand new commandments. Whenever he quoted from Scripture, he preceded it by saying, "it is written", however, when he was quoting what the teachers of the law of his day were teaching, he preceded it by saying, "you have heard that it was said", so Jesus was not sinning by making changes to the law, but was correcting what was being wrongly taught about it. This would have sounded to the teachers of the law like he was abolishing the law, so he preceded it by saying that he came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it, and the proceeded to fulfill the law six times by correctly teaching how to understand and obey it. For example:

Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’

While the law does instruct us to love our neighbor (Leviticus 19:18), it does not say to hate your enemy, which was what was being wrongly taught about the law. So Jesus is like Moses in that he also taught how to live according to God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness in obedience to His law. If the way to act in line with God's character has changed, then God's character has changed, but God is eternal and does not change. The Sabbath was never meant to be used as an excuse to avoid doing the good of healing people, so Jesus did not break the Sabbath, but rather he likewise taught how to correctly obey it.



I'm not sure how you can interpret Luke 16:16 as Jesus saying that the Law and the Prophets are now void when you look at the context. In the second half of the verse that you cut off, Jesus talked about the good new of the kingdom of God being preached since John, which is to repent from our disobedience to the Mosaic law for the kingdom of God is at hand. In verse 17, Jesus affirmed the permanence of the law by saying that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter in the Torah to become void. In verses 18 and beyond, Jesus spoke against adultery, while in verses 15 and before, Jesus spoke against coveting. According to Psalms 119:160, all of God's laws are eternal, and in Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that if you want to enter into life, then keep the commandments, so this does not sound at all to me like he was sinning by saying the eternal law of God was temporary.



The Greek word "telos" can mean "end", but it is talk about the "end" as in the goal or purpose of the law, not its termination. The law is pointed at or directed toward Messiah and he is the goal or purpose of the law because the law is entirely about him and about how to grow in a relationship with him based on faith and love for righteous for all who believe. The way to act in line with God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness cannot come to an end unless God's holiness, righteousness, and goodness first comes to an end.



Jesus criticized the Pharisees for setting aside the commands of God in order to follow their own traditions, and that is precisely what is done when people set aside God's Sabbath to follow their tradition of worshipping on Sunday. The Day of the Lord is a Jewish eschatological phrase that refers to the end of days, so Revelation 1:10 is referring to the day that John was seeing in his vision, not to the day that he happen to have his vision. I do not see anywhere in the Gospel of Peter where it talks about Easter Sunday, but rather he rose on the Feast of Firstfruits and his resurrection was incorporated into that celebration with him being being the firstfruits of the dead.



We must obey God rather than man, so it is important not to take something that was against obeying man as being against obeying God. The subject of the Romans 14 is stated in the first verse, namely that it is regard to disputes of opinion, not in regard to whether we should obey the commands of the God that we follow. Paul was certainly not suggesting that it was ok to commit murder, theft, adultery, or to sin in disobedience to any of God's other commands just as long as you were convinced in your own mind that it was ok. In Romans 14:5-6, it is talking about those eating or refrain from eating, so it is talking about those who esteem certain days for fasting. The only day that God commanded fasting is on the Day of Atonement, but as a matter of opinion, it had become a common practice to fast twice a week to commemorate certain events (Luke 18:12). Those who esteemed those days for fasting were judging those who did and were in turn being resented, so it was this sort of judging each other over opinions that Paul was seeking to quell. We are not to keep the Sabbath because man esteemed it, but because God esteemed it, blessed it, made it holy, commanded it to be kept, and because we should not profane what is holy to God. So whether someone fasts on other days is a disputable matter of opinion, but whether someone fasts on the Day of Atonement is a matter of obedience to God.

Likewise, Colossians 2:16 had nothing to do with Jewish Christians criticizing Gentiles for making the Sabbath their holy day.

Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

Paul would never have referred to those teaching obedience to the holy, righteous, and good commands of God as teaching philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition. It is absurd to say that the commands of God are against Christ because Christ is God and he lived in perfect obedience to them. Paul went into more details about what these elemental spirits of the world are later in the chapter:

Colossians 2:20-23 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

So the Colossians had been keeping God's Sabbath, Festivals, and New Moon in obedience to God and were being judged by those teaching human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body. Paul was writing to encourage them not to let any man keep them from obeying God, which again goes back to the theme that we must obey God rather than man.
Very interesting, I'm particularly interested in what Jesus had to say, and it appears Jesus is saying do not hate our enemies? One of the things my quest to find the message of Jesus has been that their does not appear to be any wicked intention from Jesus towards others who believe differently.
 
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The bible says that which was unclean is made clean by offering a blessing before you eat and Christ's blood.
Really? The biblical command is to give a blessing AFTER you eat.
 
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I don't mind at all. The general URL for my blog is Morning Meditations.

I've written considerably about the New Covenant and how non-Jews can participate. A summary of most of that can be found at The Jesus Covenant, Part 11: Building My Model and I revisit and slightly expand on that here: Briefly Revisiting Gentiles and the New Covenant.

Let me know if you have any questions or want to discuss further. Thanks.

Thank you,
I believe that we are to be like Christ, He followed the 10 commandments. Also didn't he come not to get rid of the law but to fulfill it? He is the law by which we should follow, used metaphorically speaking. His life, the way He spoke, the way He handled things. That which we know of. The bible is silent about many things, like John said, if everything He did was written down, there was no space able to hold it, at that time.
I'm just a sinner saved by Grace, trying to live in the Spirit and obeying Him.
 
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I maintain that followers of Jesus, people who yield to the Holy Spirit living in them, will grow to be in great desire that they:

1) have no other gods but the God of the Bible;
2) will not have or make or worship any idol, neither a physical nor any other idol;
3) will not take God's name in vain;
4) will have a weekly day to put daily endeavors aside and rest and worship God (discussion about which day is another topic);
5) have honor for their parents;
6) never kill;
7) never commit adultery;
8) never steal;
9) never lie;
10) never covet.

Whenever the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) are at work in a person, I believe that considering breaking any one of the 10 Commandments simply would not cross their mind, or if it did, the HS would direct their thinking back to obedience to Jesus. Such is the power of love that Christians obedient to the Holy Spirit receive.
I agree with this. But in this world, where perfect holiness and innocence would be nigh impossible to achieve, does that mean that hearing/knowing the ten commandments is still good, profitable, beneficial?
 
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Very interesting, I'm particularly interested in what Jesus had to say, and it appears Jesus is saying do not hate our enemies? One of the things my quest to find the message of Jesus has been that their does not appear to be any wicked intention from Jesus towards others who believe differently.

Indeed, he said not to hate our enemies. At no point in the Bible was anyone punished simply for not believing in God, though people were judged according to their actions, which does stem from believing differently. There is a big difference between seeking justice and having a wicked intention toward someone.
 
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I believe that we are to be like Christ, He followed the 10 commandments. Also didn't he come not to get rid of the law but to fulfill it? He is the law by which we should follow, used metaphorically speaking. His life, the way He spoke, the way He handled things. That which we know of. The bible is silent about many things, like John said, if everything He did was written down, there was no space able to hold it, at that time.
I'm just a sinner saved by Grace, trying to live in the Spirit and obeying Him.
I agree that Jesus didn't do away with the Torah of Moses, but remember, he was teaching Jewish disciples, not "Christians" as we think of them/us in the modern sense. He came, in part, to correctly restore the true meaning of Torah obedience to Israel and, in part, to illustrate how the promises of the New Covenant (being given the Holy Spirit, the Resurrection) would be carried out, by being a recipient himself.

However, looking at Acts 15 and pretty much everything written by the Apostle Paul, we see how the commandments are applied to Gentiles differs from how they apply to the Jew. There's nothing wrong with Christians observing the 10 commandment, except they tend to disregard the one about the Sabbath. My understanding is that by God's grace, we non-Jews can participate in the blessings of the New Covenant without the Jewish obligation to the full weight of Torah commandments.

Ultimately, we are all saved by God's grace but once saved, the question becomes, what do we do with the rest of our lives?
 
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Did Jesus tell us to follow the Ten Commandments?
No we are under a new covenant. Which really, it is not a actual covenant with rules to follow. The old was fulfilled, and that is why Jesus has said on the cross, "That it is finished". He was the only one that had finished the requirements of the old.

Matthew 1:22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:

Matthew 2:23 and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.

Exodus 13:2 “Consecrate to me every firstborn male. The first offspring of every womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether human or animal.”

Luke 2:7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.

Matthew 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

Matthew 26:54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”
 
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Then why are we waiting for Jesus to return if this is all there is?

If you were still under the laws, then you will be automatically blotted out from the gospel. Because it says that the wages of sin is death. Just one little sin is death, like the little sin that Adam and Eve has committed, that they were cast away from His presence. There were none that was able to complete the task. And so, that means that we were going to be shut out permanently from His presence. The only way that you can tell if you are a son. That you will have His characters. And in the book of Jonah, tells us a lot about God's characters: Jonah 4:2 He prayed to the Lord, “Isn’t this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home? That is what I tried to forestall by fleeing to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs? 15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified. But I myself is not that perfect enough to forgive sins. If someone sin against me, I'll turn to the rules under the eye for eye. But God seem as if He is the only One that is able to forgive sins.

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Psalm 119:36 Turn my heart toward your statutes and not toward selfish gain.


Philippians 2:3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves,
 
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If you were still under the laws, then you will be automatically blotted out from the gospel. Because it says that the wages of sin is death.
Oh, that.

A couple of things. First, since I'm not Jewish I was never "under the law". I've never understood why some Christians say this.

Also, the sacrificial system of the Temple was never intended to remove intensional sins, only unintentional ones (see David's brief explanation in Psalm 51). The mechanism for repentance and atonement of intentional since has remained the same since Genesis. The traditional teachings of the Church about the nature and purpose of the Tabernacle and later the Temple misunderstands that purpose.

According to Ezekiel 37:26-28, one of the things Jesus is going to do when he returns is rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, but it must still have a purpose in Messianic Days.

The coming of Jesus was a logical continuation of everything God did in the first two-thirds of the Bible, not jumping tracks from plan A to plan B. The major change is that God created an open path for large numbers of non-Jews to be reconciled to him through devotion to Messiah without being a named covenant member.
 
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I agree that Jesus didn't do away with the Torah of Moses, but remember, he was teaching Jewish disciples, not "Christians" as we think of them/us in the modern sense. He came, in part, to correctly restore the true meaning of Torah obedience to Israel and, in part, to illustrate how the promises of the New Covenant (being given the Holy Spirit, the Resurrection) would be carried out, by being a recipient himself.

However, looking at Acts 15 and pretty much everything written by the Apostle Paul, we see how the commandments are applied to Gentiles differs from how they apply to the Jew. There's nothing wrong with Christians observing the 10 commandment, except they tend to disregard the one about the Sabbath. My understanding is that by God's grace, we non-Jews can participate in the blessings of the New Covenant without the Jewish obligation to the full weight of Torah commandments.

Ultimately, we are all saved by God's grace but once saved, the question becomes, what do we do with the rest of our lives?

Oh, yeah, I agree completely. He also used the law with the Samaritan woman...yes, she was Jewish, but as you probably know a whole lot more about the differences between the Samaritans and the "normal" Jews...(didn't know how to put that..lol). But she did recognize the law. I believe, and I could be wrong, that God still has that special work for the Jews. He choose them for a reason. Besides for what we already know. I'm guessing I know. I have no facts and only one bit of scripture and that is for the 144,000 mentioned in Revelations. So, forgive my ignorance.

Your right though, we are saved by Grace, thru Faith, By Christ alone. Again, I'll step on my own feet for the next...lol...I believe thru God's Word, that the rest of our lives are to be dedicated to continuing spreading the message the father sent Christ to say. Repent and Place our Trust in the Lord God. Of course, there is a right way and a wrong way to do that. But I think you get my drift.

Some of us, are meant to do just that. Some to teach, Some to write blogs...hint, hint...LOL. As long as it's putting Christ first, and it's about Him, the Gospel. Then God is in it. Romans 14 kind of hits on this. Paul is using how the days should be, and what type of meat and such.

Romans 14:16 -19
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:

17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.

19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

We are to serve God, for the rest of our lives. Are we going to be perfect about it...nope. But that's why Christ is our advocate to the Father.
I also believes this can be for the Sabbath day worship. As long as it's about Christ, and not us. That is the worshipping and edification parts. The Sabbath was made for us, not the other way around. What day we keep I on. I truly don't think it matters. God is there no matter what day. But we have in a whole, choose Sunday. And some have chosen Saturday. Is God any different Sunday than He is on Saturday or vice versa. Nope, He's the same, Always.
 
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I maintain that followers of Jesus, people who yield to the Holy Spirit living in them, will grow to be in great desire that they:

1) have no other gods but the God of the Bible;
2) will not have or make or worship any idol, neither a physical nor any other idol;
3) will not take God's name in vain;
4) will have a weekly day to put daily endeavors aside and rest and worship God (discussion about which day is another topic);
5) have honor for their parents;
6) never kill;
7) never commit adultery;
8) never steal;
9) never lie;
10) never covet.

Whenever the fruits of the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) are at work in a person, I believe that considering breaking any one of the 10 Commandments simply would not cross their mind, or if it did, the HS would direct their thinking back to obedience to Jesus. Such is the power of love that Christians obedient to the Holy Spirit receive.
I agree
 
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The 10 Commandments do little to help you understand the type of love that God us into. How hard is it not to kill? Steal? Etc... The only difficult commandments are those dealing with love because there are an infinite ways to love. No one told the Samaritan how to love the injured man by the road.

How many Christians fail to love each and every day but seem to be obedient to the 10? All.
Yes, well "seem to be obedient" is the operative term, especially in light of the fact that Jesus said true obedience begins in the heart, before actual sin is even committed. And when I think of the 8th commandment, against bearing false witness, a commandment that the RCC understands to be related to lying in any form, I believe we may all fail in one way or another daily, even if only in minor misrepresentations/exaggerations of the truth.

Either way the Church teaches that believers are still bound to obey the ten commandments, even as we acknowledge that the New Covenant way of obedience is the way of love. Because the last 7 commandments still involve refraining from doing harm to neighbor and said harm/sin is naturally excluded when we love as God desires us to.
 
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Then why are we waiting for Jesus to return if this is all there is?

We are to extend the Kingdom of Heaven over the earth. As the Kingdom of Heaven has more dominion over the earth, there is "more" of heaven here, more miracles, more healing, more love, more peace, more thankfulness, more kindness, more of Him. This is our job and our purpose in the present.
 
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Yes, well "seem to be obedient" is the operative term, especially in light of the fact that Jesus said true obedience begins in the heart, before actual sin is even committed. And when I think of the 8th commandment, against bearing false witness, a commandment that the RCC understands to be related to lying in any form, I believe we may all fail in one way or another daily, even if only in minor misrepresentations/exaggerations of the truth.

Either way the Church teaches that believers are still bound to obey the ten commandments, even as we acknowledge that the New Covenant way of obedience is the way of love. Because the last 7 commandments still involve refraining from doing harm to neighbor and said harm/sin is naturally excluded when we love as God desires us to.
It seems like almost every Mass I hear the call from the Priest or Deacons who give the homily call for us to listen to the Holy Spirit and follow it. You can examine the 10 Commandments till one is old and never truly get it unless we surrender to God's HS. If you want to obey, allow the Spirit to open you up to love and the desire to break a commandment will not be present.
 
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It seems like almost every Mass I hear the call from the Priest or Deacons who give the homily call for us to listen to the Holy Spirit and follow it. You can examine the 10 Commandments till one is old and never truly get it unless we surrender to God's HS. If you want to obey, allow the Spirit to open you up to love and the desire to break a commandment will not be present.
Yes, that's the ideal, and it should work, for one perfected in love. Presumably anyone that holy might have no reason to listen to anyone, other than directly to God, so complete would be the union. Meanwhile I'd prefer to take into account the words of the Church as well, as guided by the HS:

1962 The Old Law is the first stage of revealed Law. Its moral prescriptions are summed up in the Ten Commandments. The precepts of the Decalogue lay the foundations for the vocation of man fashioned in the image of God; they prohibit what is contrary to the love of God and neighbor and prescribe what is essential to it. The Decalogue is a light offered to the conscience of every man to make God's call and ways known to him and to protect him against evil:
God wrote on the tables of the Law what men did not read in their hearts.

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The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."

2070 From the beginning, God had implanted in the heart of man the precepts of the natural law. Then he was content to remind him of them. This was the Decalogue.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations. They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. The Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

 
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