Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[Imagican]

I would like to remind those that often seem to ignore this: If we become followers of Christ, TRUE followers of Christ, the world will HATE US. And they will hate us for ONE reason: what followers of Christ demonstrate.

Thieves can't stand those that don't STEAL. They are so uncomfortable around them they can't stand them.

Liars can't stand people that don't LIE. It drives them NUTS to be around those that are HONEST.
The biggest single thing that bothers them is that when they encounter those that they KNOW are honest, it forces them to recognize that they are 'anything but'.

And it is no different with the 'churches'. Those that are lost in 'man made doctrine' despise those that attempt to teach the 'truth'. While few will ADMIT it, the truth contained within my words is evident to ANYONE that chooses to deal with the TRUTH instead of trying to be politically correct.

And what the 'churches' despise more than anything else? Those that REFUSE to be a 'part' of their 'game'. And those that have 'sold their souls' to the 'churches' HATE those that refuse to 'play the game' as well. For this is what they are TAUGHT to do by those that they have placed their faith in.

So, are the 'true followers' of Christ suppose to HATE the 'churches'? Nope. True followers have been taught through the Holy Spirit and the words of Christ Himself that TRUE followers are suppose to hate NO ONE.

But that doesn't mean we are instructed to AGREE in order to SHOW that we are not hating. In fact, if we truly LOVE someone, the last thing in the world that we will DO is agree to those things that THEY do that lead to their destruction. LETTING people follow false paths is NOT sharing our love.

So all of this: live and let live type attitude? Nothing other than an attempt at ignoring any sense of responsibility the followers of Christ have been commanded to demonstrate.

What if Christ had come, and since MOST would abhor His message, He had simply altered His message to make SURE it didn't offend anyone? Where would THAT 'lead us'?

Think about it.

Blessings,

MEC

 

[LoveofTruth]

A warning to all - if you think that the Genesis 18 statement that God and 2 angels are "three men" means they are just "three men" you are most certainly mistaken. They are in fact God and 2 angels -- just the same.

Is Jesus Christ in you?

yes or no?

 

[LoveofTruth]

It is not a doctrinal teaching of the church----and if you want to believe tradition over the bible---that is your right to chose so. I go by the bible. And as soon as you can tell me what angel, or man, can be worshipped I will change my mind about who Michael is.

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

There was no one else there, was this a man who could be worshipped, was this an angel that could be worshipped and declare the ground holy?? Is the captain of the Lord's host to be worshipped?

Is Jesus Christ in you?

yes or no

 

[LoveofTruth]

The world has always hated God's Commandment keeping people because Satan, the prince of this world, hates God's Commandments, especially the 4th that identifies the seal of the Creator. It's no accident that the 4th Commandment is the 1 out of the 10 that is forgotten... the only one that begins with the word "Remember".

Is jesus Christ in you?

Yes or no?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Is jesus Christ in you?

Yes or no?

I guess since you don't know me, it's a fair question although I would think the tenor of my posts would give witness...

Yes I have Jesus in my heart and His Spirit guiding me and leading me according to the Fathers Will.

 

[LoveofTruth]

I guess since you don't know me, it's a fair question although I would think the tenor of my posts would give witness...

Yes I have Jesus in my heart and His Spirit guiding me and leading me according to the Fathers Will.

By the way Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh, he is God the Son (Hebrews 1 etc), not Michael the arch angel. He is not a created being before he came in the flesh he was always the Son and he is before all things and he created all things. Do you believe this?

Now I can ask again

Is Jesus CHRIST in you?

 

[LoveofTruth]

Ellen G white said before

""Moses passed through death, but Michael came down and gave him life before his body had seen corruption. Satan tried to hold the body, claiming it as his; but Michael resurrected Moses and took him to heaven. Satan railed bitterly against God...but Christ did not rebuke His adversary... He meekly referred him to His Father, saying, 'The Lord rebuke thee.'" Early Writings, p. 164 (emphasis added).

""When Jesus stands up; when his work is finished in the Most Holy, then there will be not another ray of light to be imparted to the sinner....The light is made to reach far ahead, where all is total darkness. MICHAEL stands up." Spiritual Gifts, vol. 2, p. 276"

But in the bible it is different

"
"For to which of the angels did He ever say, 'Thou art My Son, today I have begotten thee?'" (Hebrews 1:5).

"But of the Son He says, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever...'" (Hebrews 1:8)

 

[mmksparbud]

Michael is not an angel--He is called the archangel, it is a title, captain of the Lord's host. Jesus is from everlasting to everlasting and is not a created being. There is none in heaven or under heaven that can be worshiped by any man save God.
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
What angel allows himself to be worshipped?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

By the way Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh, he is God the Son (Hebrews 1 etc), not Michael the arch angel. He is not a created being before he came in the flesh he was always the Son and he is before all things and he created all things. Do you believe this?

Ok, lets look at Heb 1. It's always helpful when reasoning together about scripture, to have it quoted.

Heb 1:8-10
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.


10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

In verse 8 the words "he saith " were added by the translators, and when removed gives the meaning of the verse it's context, fitting in with the proceeding verses as we will see. So verse 8 Should read " But unto the Son, Thy throne O God is forever and ever:..."

In verse 9 the Father is again speaking of Himself of His action of anointing the Son. It's also interesting that the angels were referred to aa "His fellows" the meaning of the word rendered fellows means associate or a partaker with, the exact thing you would expect from the Captian of the host, the head of the angels. You see in verse 4 it says that the Son was made so much better than the angels... having received a better name (character, the very Character of the Father).

Then in verse 10, we see the Father address the Son my His title... Lord.

In this chapter we clearly see the model that the God head is really a heirarchy, not a co equal partnership. Jesus, while on this earth only spoke of one thing... and that was being subservient and obedient to His Father Will. Not in consultation with Him nor with His imput. As Isaac was obedient to Abraham, so Christ is obedient to the Father.... we aren't given these types for no reason, these help to show us the character of the Father and the Son, so that we may also be obedient to the Father, through the Son, not the other way around.

Now I can ask again

Is Jesus CHRIST in you?

Times too short for playing games... what's you point? You want to do proper Bible study to understand the Word of God better than we did yesterday?

 

[BobRyan]

a warning to all

Colossians 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." ( Galatians 1:8)

A warning to all - if you think that the Genesis 18 statement that God and 2 angels are "three men" means they are just "three men" you are most certainly mistaken. They are in fact God and 2 angels -- just the same.

a warning to all who would worship angels in any form

Colossians 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Indeed no praying to angels.

And no praying to men either. If you think that Genesis 18 statement about God and 2 angels described as "three men" means that God and the angels are "men" --- you would be mistaken. Please don't pray to men or worship them.

Is Jesus Christ in you?

yes or no?

Indeed - yes - "Christ in me - the hope of glory" - for "20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me."

Thanks for asking.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Ellen G white said before

""Moses passed through death, but Michael came down and gave him life before his body had seen corruption. Satan tried to hold the body, claiming it as his; but Michael resurrected Moses and took him to heaven. Satan railed bitterly against God...but Christ did not rebuke His adversary... He meekly referred him to His Father, saying, 'The Lord rebuke thee.'" Early Writings, p. 164 (emphasis added).

""When Jesus stands up; when his work is finished in the Most Holy, then there will be not another ray of light to be imparted to the sinner....The light is made to reach far ahead, where all is total darkness. MICHAEL stands up." Spiritual Gifts, vol. 2, p. 276"

But in the bible it is different

"
"For to which of the angels did He ever say, 'Thou art My Son, today I have begotten thee?'" (Hebrews 1:5).

"But of the Son He says, 'Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever...'" (Hebrews 1:8)

You just shot your own argument in the foot. did you intend to do that?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Michael is not an angel--He is called the archangel, it is a title, captain of the Lord's host.

A position that is not substantiated by ancient Jewish or Christian sources which all agree that Michael is one of a number of archangels, where "archangel" refers to an angel of particular importance or of a high rank.

If you have a doctrine that can't be traced back more than a couple centuries, and which has never been believed or confessed by the ancient and historic Church, then it's probably a good indicator that it isn't true.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[mmksparbud]

A position that is not substantiated by ancient Jewish or Christian sources which all agree that Michael is one of a number of archangels, where "archangel" refers to an angel of particular importance or of a high rank.

If you have a doctrine that can't be traced back more than a couple centuries, and which has never been believed or confessed by the ancient and historic Church, then it's probably a good indicator that it isn't true.

-CryptoLutheran

I go by the bible not what men have to say on the subject. Again and again this is what the bible says.
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
What angel allows himself to be worshipped? NONE!!

 

[Paul Yohannan]

I go by the bible not what men have to say on the subject.

No, you go by an opinion as to what the Bible said which was shared by precisely no one in the early Church.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I go by the bible not what men have to say on the subject. Again and again this is what the bible says.
Jos 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Jos 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
What angel allows himself to be worshipped? NONE!!

Interesting, I can't find Michael mentioned in the 5th chapter of Joshua.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Paul Yohannan]

Interesting, I can't find Michael mentioned in the 5th chapter of Joshua.

-CryptoLutheran

Indeed its all a bit 2 + 2 = 5

 

[mmksparbud]

No, you go by an opinion as to what the Bible said which was shared by precisely no one in the early Church.

Then please tell me why Joshua worshipped the captain of the Lord of Hosts, and why he was standing on holy ground--there was only one being there. I don't care who shares my view, what does the bible say?

 

[mmksparbud]

Indeed its all a bit 2 + 2 = 5

Well, no wonder you don't get it, 2+2=4----Please answer the question.

 

[Paul Yohannan]

Then please tell me why Joshua worshipped the captain of the Lord of Hosts, and why he was standing on holy ground--there was only one being there. I don't care who shares my view, what does the bible say?

What is more relevant is what it does not say: "Michael."

This is I think the ultimate example of SDAs leaping to unfounded conclusions.

 

[Paul Yohannan]

Well, no wonder you don't get it, 2+2=4----Please answer the question.

I was referencing Nineteen Eighty Four. Are you familiar with George Orwell?