who is prophet Mohammad

[brinny]

An important point with the telling is
she was serviceminded,

"Of course I will give you to drink,"
not only that,
"I will give to your camels too,"


Just wordplay, it is neither here nor there how old she was.
I was giving a response to habibii zahra,


An example of how stories can become twisted.

You are missing the the whole point.

The point being, that she was not a "child".

 

[Robban]

According to Wikipedia, people were often married at the age of 12 in ancient times. Roman law would not allow younger than 12. People mature at different rates, so probably the girl had entered puberty by the age of 9 when Muhammad consummated the marriage. Puberty was the determining factor in ancient times.

Also there is no reason to think Muhammad was a pedophile, because marriages were about connecting extended families for the practical interests of all. Sexual attraction was not very important - especially for marriages of important people like Muhammad.

Marriageable age - Wikipedia

If there are no witnessess there is no case.

A few posts ago someone named 6,7,9 and ten.
Don't know if they have taken into account the Islamic calender.

 

[KWCrazy]

new religions complete the old ones why would there be any blashphemous perspectiuve??
christianity completes judaism and islam completes christianity ...this is it

Islam perverts the truth and leads its followers to destruction. It preys upon those who spend their days praying to a false god who does not hear their prayers. It denies that Christ is the son of God who was sacrificed to remove the sins of man. Christianity was completed when Christ ascended to Heaven. He was the Messiah, who the Jews did not recognize. Christ warned of the antichrist and the false prophets who would deceive many. Mohammed was no holy man. He was a thug who used the name of God to cover his evil deeds. Rather than leading souls to the Lord, Mohammed's followers will likely join him in the lake of fire. It's a great sadness that so great an evil could deceive so many good hearted people. No doubt Mohammed's punishment will be multiplied with each soul he leads to destruction.

 

[Robban]

Islam perverts the truth and leads its followers to destruction. It preys upon those who spend their days praying to a false god who does not hear their prayers. It denies that Christ is the son of God who was sacrificed to remove the sins of man. Christianity was completed when Christ ascended to Heaven. He was the Messiah, who the Jews did not recognize. Christ warned of the antichrist and the false prophets who would deceive many. Mohammed was no holy man. He was a thug who used the name of God to cover his evil deeds. Rather than leading souls to the Lord, Mohammed's followers will likely join him in the lake of fire. It's a great sadness that so great an evil could deceive so many good hearted people. No doubt Mohammed's punishment will be multiplied with each soul he leads to destruction.

habibii zahra came to this forum in a peaceful manner.

And this is all you have to offer?

 

[Arthra]

Apparently Muhammad married Aisha the daughter of Abu Bakr when he was 50 and she was 6. They consummated the marriage when she was 9. It sounds bad by modern standards, but probably it was a political arrangement. Aisha seems to have been a very accomplished person.
Aisha - Wikipedia

A couple of points on the issue of the age of Aisha ...

One is that there was no universal calendar in use in Arabia at the time Muhammad was alive. The Muslim calendar began under Caliph Umar in 631 CE.

Caliph 'Umar, Started the Muslim Calendar, 639 CE - Alsadiqin English

We don't really know how old the main characters were in the story of Muhammad.

Birthdays for female children were not celebrated but hidden before Islam became the major religion in Arabia..."Furthermore, the birth of a daughter in a family was not an occasion for rejoicing, but was regarded with humiliation."

Women Before Islam

The age of Khadijih was reportedly forty years when she was married to Muhammad and yet she was the mother of six children:

"According to most sources, she was about 40 and Muhammad about 25 when they married. That she bore him at least six children, however, may suggest that she was younger."

Khadijah | wife of Muhammad

Aisha was already engaged to a Meccan Jabeer Ibn Matam before she married the Prophet.

 

[KWCrazy]

habibii zahra came to this forum in a peaceful manner.
And this is all you have to offer?

The truth is what I have to offer.
The loss of a billion souls is no small thing.
Promoting a false religion, regardless of intention, is still contrary to the will of the Lord. The false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20).

As you will note, I have been respectful and truthful. The facts I stated about Mohammed I validated with what was actually written in the Quran. I'm not the one misrepresenting the facts and the actions of the false prophet Mohammed. I didn't try to change history by lying about his relations with a 9-year-old.

The fact is, we are Christ's ambassadors here on earth. If we don't defend His word, who will?

 

[cloudyday2]

A couple of points on the issue of the age of Aisha ...

One is that there was no universal calendar in use in Arabia at the time Muhammad was alive. The Muslim calendar began under Caliph Umar in 631 CE.

Caliph 'Umar, Started the Muslim Calendar, 639 CE - Alsadiqin English

We don't really know how old the main characters were in the story of Muhammad.

Birthdays for female children were not celebrated but hidden before Islam became the major religion in Arabia..."Furthermore, the birth of a daughter in a family was not an occasion for rejoicing, but was regarded with humiliation."

Women Before Islam

The age of Khadijih was reportedly forty years when she was married to Muhammad and yet she was the mother of six children:

"According to most sources, she was about 40 and Muhammad about 25 when they married. That she bore him at least six children, however, may suggest that she was younger."

Khadijah | wife of Muhammad

Aisha was already engaged to a Meccan Jabeer Ibn Matam before she married the Prophet.

That is good information. Wikipedia mentioned traditions that Muhammad liked to watch Aisha playing with dolls. That suggests to me that she was immature. Also, the fact that Aisha was previously engaged does not mean she was an adult. If the culture thought it was o.k. for Aisha to marry as a six year old child, then she could have been engaged to somebody else at an even younger age. I think there were cases where infants were betrothed as part of some political arrangement. A analogous situation might be when an infant becomes a king; the family connections were more important than the actual roles that people would need to play. Muhammad had lots of wives, and I'm sure it was for diplomatic reasons instead of his own sexual needs. From skimming Wikipedia, it appears that all Muhammad's children came from his first wife.

 

[Chesterton]

Wikipedia mentioned traditions that Muhammad liked to watch Aisha playing with dolls. That suggests to me that she was immature.

Also playing on a swing.

Muhammad had lots of wives, and I'm sure it was for diplomatic reasons instead of his own sexual needs.

There are ahadith that say otherwise. Without going into detail, his stamina was superhuman, seven days a week.

 

[Chesterton]

A couple of points on the issue of the age of Aisha ...

One is that there was no universal calendar in use in Arabia at the time Muhammad was alive. The Muslim calendar began under Caliph Umar in 631 CE.

Caliph 'Umar, Started the Muslim Calendar, 639 CE - Alsadiqin English

We don't really know how old the main characters were in the story of Muhammad.

Birthdays for female children were not celebrated but hidden before Islam became the major religion in Arabia..."Furthermore, the birth of a daughter in a family was not an occasion for rejoicing, but was regarded with humiliation."

Women Before Islam

The age of Khadijih was reportedly forty years when she was married to Muhammad and yet she was the mother of six children:

"According to most sources, she was about 40 and Muhammad about 25 when they married. That she bore him at least six children, however, may suggest that she was younger."

Khadijah | wife of Muhammad

Aisha was already engaged to a Meccan Jabeer Ibn Matam before she married the Prophet.

All that's irrelvant because we know from reliable ahadith where she narrates in the first person, such as "Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine." - Sahih Muslim

 

[Arthra]

Wikipedia mentioned traditions that Muhammad liked to watch Aisha playing with dolls

This is from a Hadith tradition collected by Bukhari found in Vol. 8 Book 73 No. 151...

Sahih Bukhari : Book of "Good Manners"

It should be noted that Bukhari chose from thousands of traditions and that he did so some centuries after Aisha lived...

Al-Bukhari traveled widely throughout the Abbasid Caliphate from the age of 16, collecting those traditions he thought trustworthy. It is reported that al-Bukhari devoted 16 years to sifting the hadiths he included in his Sahih from a collection of nearly 600,000 narrations.[7]

Bukhari finished his work around 846/232 AH,

Sahih al-Bukhari - Wikipedia

also you will find a note in the wikipedia article as follows:

American historian Denise Spellberg has reviewed Islamic literature on Aisha's virginity, age at marriage and age when the marriage was consummated and speculates that Aisha's youth might have been exaggerated to exclude any doubt about her virginity.[11] Spellberg states, "Aisha's age is a major pre-occupation in Ibn Sa'd where her marriage varies between six and seven; nine seems constant as her age at the marriage's consummation."

Aisha - Wikipedia

 

[Arthra]

In the early years, yes, when Islam was a minority religion and Mohammed was in Mecca. Later, when Mohammed was in Medina, he grew in power and the idea of peaceful co-existence was replaced by the desire to conquer and dominate.

Actually what happened was that after years of persecution and Muslims exiting to Ethiopia for shelter and after an attempt was made to assassinate the Prophet in His bed He fled to Medina and after that heavily armed pagan troops attacked Medina. The admonition to fight was in the context of defending themselves.

http://wp.thekitaab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/In-Mecca.jpg

 

[cloudyday2]

American historian Denise Spellberg has reviewed Islamic literature on Aisha's virginity, age at marriage and age when the marriage was consummated and speculates that Aisha's youth might have been exaggerated to exclude any doubt about her virginity.[11] Spellberg states, "Aisha's age is a major pre-occupation in Ibn Sa'd where her marriage varies between six and seven; nine seems constant as her age at the marriage's consummation."

This makes me wonder why the virginity of Aisha would be more important to establish than the virginity of the other wives of Muhammad. Maybe Aisha's virginity was being questioned by certain people, and maybe it was being questioned because she was actually not a virgin? I suspect that the political forces driving the marriage to Aisha were strong enough to cause officials to "look the other way" if Aisha was not a virgin.

 

[Robban]

The truth is what I have to offer.
The loss of a billion souls is no small thing.
Promoting a false religion, regardless of intention, is still contrary to the will of the Lord. The false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20).

As you will note, I have been respectful and truthful. The facts I stated about Mohammed I validated with what was actually written in the Quran. I'm not the one misrepresenting the facts and the actions of the false prophet Mohammed. I didn't try to change history by lying about his relations with a 9-year-old.

The fact is, we are Christ's ambassadors here on earth. If we don't defend His word, who will?

"Loss of a billion of souls"
You sure?

We have a body that functions from birth to death and a soul that was there before and continues after.

Dying is a process of seperation of
body and soul.

 

[habibii zahra]

So you don't know, yet you say that Ā'ishah bint Abī Bakr was not six years old when Mohammad married her nor nine years old when he consummated the marriage?

Presumed?

That's a guess.

my answer was clear read it again

 

[habibii zahra]

There are plenty of stories,
if one believes them or not depends on how much one's mind is willing to accept,
some gloat over disgraceful stories wether they are true or not.

Example;
from Genesis 24 and onward.
After Rebecka had agreed to follow Abrahams servant,
some stories have it that in the region Laban lived it was not uncommon to take girls from 3 yrs old and upwards,

Some told thet Rebecka was Three when she was taken, only to save her from the custom of the region,

but Isaak did not marry her until much later.

It was also told that she was much older when she taken.

So much depending on the tongue that speaks and of course the ear of whosoever hears.

No doubt there are wicked minds that say Isaak married her when she was three.


But we have the sages so we can check out what they agreed upon.

thank you so much

 

[habibii zahra]

Aisha said otherwise.
Bukhari vol. 7, #65:
"Narrated Aisha that the prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: "I have been informed that Aisha remained with the prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).""

From the hadith of Muslim, volume 2, #3309
Aisha reported: Allah’s Messenger married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine….

From the hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, volume 2, #2116
"Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old."

From "The History of Tabari", volume 9, page 131
"Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of God consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me"...(The Prophet) married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died.

From the Encyclopedia of Islam, under "Aisha":
"Some time after the death of Khadija, Khawla suggested to Muhammad that he should marry either Aisha, the 6 year old daughter of his chief follower, or Sawda Zama, a widow of about 30, who had gone as a Muslim to Abyssinia and whose husband had died there. Muhammad is said to have asked her to arrange for him to marry both. It had already been agreed that Aisha should marry Djubayr Mutim, whose father, though still pagan, was friendly to the Muslims. By common consent, however, this agreement was set aside, and Muhammad was betrothed to Aisha... The marriage was not consummated until some months after the Hidjra, (in April 623, 624). Aisha went to live in an apartment in Muhammad's house, later the mosque of Median. She cannot have been more than ten years old at the time and took her toys to her new home."

Revisionists, embarrassed by the actions of the pedophile "prophet," have denied in recent years that Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old. These assertions have no connection with the truth.

no sexual relation before Aisha became a grown up woman

 

[habibii zahra]

In the early years, yes, when Islam was a minority religion and Mohammed was in Mecca. Later, when Mohammed was in Medina, he grew in power and the idea of peaceful co-existence was replaced by the desire to conquer and dominate.
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "
This passage criticizes the peaceful Muslims who refuse to join in the violence and terror. Mohammed is telling them that they have a lesser place in the ey tul Muslims who refuse who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. As a Muslim who does not believe in violence, you would be considered a second class citizen in Mohammed's teaching.

Muslims are not generally speaking bad people. For the most part they are a good and peaceful people encompassed by an evil religion of a false prophet which commands death to all who leave Islam.

calling to fight those who fight you is not a wrong idea...this is not a call to kill innocent people from Christians and jews ...our prophet is not a false prophet and my religion is not an evil religion otherwise Christianity is also an evil religion..why?? they killed billions of people in the name of Christianity.....our prophet is a man of peace in the early time of his religion and when he became powerful he was always a man of peace and try to search about the mercy of Mohammad and his treatment to the jews and the Christians when he ruled the community...

 

[habibii zahra]

I know, it does not stop stories though.

How old is one required to be to fetch a jug of water?

There are many places in the world today where very young children
have to do heavy chores.

You have heard or read somewhere of Mohammad marrying a young girl,

I don't really care because I don't need Mohammad, but don't you think there may be an explanation somewhere?

why don't you try to know Mohammad perhaps you will find him a man bringing peace to the world...what if he was right and his message was sent by god??

 

[habibii zahra]

The Bible is clear that Rebekah was a young "woman".

he told you it was written that she was 3 years old

 

[habibii zahra]

It is clear that Rebekah was a young "woman".

A young "woman" who was a "virgin".

this is the answer of cloudy... read it:
According to Wikipedia, people were often married at the age of 12 in ancient times. Roman law would not allow younger than 12. People mature at different rates, so probably the girl had entered puberty by the age of 9 when Muhammad consummated the marriage. Puberty was the determining factor in ancient times.

Also there is no reason to think Muhammad was a pedophile, because marriages were about connecting extended families for the practical interests of all. Sexual attraction was not very important - especially for marriages of important people like Muhammad.