Did Jesus tell us to follow Moses 10 commandments?

[Andrewofthetribe]

In Matthew 19 Jesus listed five of the ten commandments.

Matt. 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself....

The Jews had commandments from God and commandments made by men. Jesus worked on the Sabbath, thus nullifying part of the "law."

The Jews also had a collection of laws about how to obey the laws in the Torah that eventually became the Talmud. One of these laws treated women who were having their monthly periods to be unclean for seven days due to uncleanness. Unclean people were not supposed to touch others or touch things other people used. Theories of menstrual cycle uncleanness (nidah) have since been made obsolete by science. The reformed Jews do not take such things seriously.

God showed Peter that he should not worry about pork, catfish and other foods made unclean by the Torah, but that eating these would not harm him. This freed him to go to preach to a Gentile household where such things might be found (Acts 10).

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who doesn't continue in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them." 11 Now that no man is justified by the law before God is evident, for, "The righteous will live by faith." 12 The law is not of faith, but, "The man who does them will live by them." 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree," 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

I'm a little confused, when Jesus was speaking about law, was he talking about roman law or Jewish law

 

[Original Happy Camper]

God showed Peter that he should not worry about pork, catfish and other foods made unclean by the Torah, but that eating these would not harm him. This freed him to go to preach to a Gentile household where such things might be found (Acts 10).

You got this wrong also,
read on in the chapter and you come across this verse
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

The Jews considered the Gentiles unclean, God showed Pete that the "Law of Man" wa not in keeping with the laws of GOD.
The unclean animals are still unclean today.
Matthew 4:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[dqhall]

Please quote scripture to support the statement above that the giver of the law violated the law of the Sabbath below.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Who gave you this Sabbath law?

Luke 13:10-17 World English Bible (WEB) - Public Domain
10 He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath day. 11 Behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and she was bent over, and could in no way straighten herself up. 12 When Jesus saw her, he called her, and said to her, “Woman, you are freed from your infirmity.” 13 He laid his hands on her, and immediately she stood up straight, and glorified God.

14 The ruler of the synagogue, being indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the multitude, “There are six days in which men ought to work. Therefore come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day!”

The priests worked during the Sabbath in offering the daily sacrifices in the Jerusalem temple built by Herod.

Jesus also picked grain on the Sabbath (Mark 2:23). The OT testified the children of Israel stoning a person to death for picking up sticks during the Sabbath (Numbers 15). God gave law against murder. God did not tell you to stone Jesus for healing during the Sabbath.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

14 The ruler of the synagogue, being indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the multitude, “There are six days in which men ought to work. Therefore come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day!”

The priests worked during the Sabbath in offering the daily sacrifices in the Jerusalem temple built by Herod.

Jesus also picked grain on the Sabbath (Mark 2:23). The OT testified the children of Israel stoning a person to death for picking up sticks during the Sabbath (Numbers 15). God gave law against murder. God did not tell you to stone Jesus for healing during the Sabbath.

You must be a Jew as you are indicating that the laws the Jewish leaders put on the Sabbath are superior to the acts of the Jesus Christ who is Perfect and never sinned. Who best to understand the law than the one who wrote the law.

Based on your posts I can not confirm that you are a follower of Christ.

 

[dqhall]

You are a trouble maker.

 

[fhansen]

Did Jesus tell us to follow the Ten Commandments?

As most of us know, the Law, including the Ten Commandments, was meant to serve as a teacher, to help us to ultimately learn that we cannot be righteousness or obedient on our own, that in the end we fail at observing the Law. But the Law wasn't wrong in itself, and the Old Covenant was never revoked but made obsolete by a "new and better covenant". This New Covenant doesn't seek to ignore the old, as if justice and righteousness and holiness were no longer important, but rather to give man the ability to fulfill it-the right way. And the "right way" means that the law can only be fulfilled as Jesus did it, by virtue of man's being in communion with God, "apart from Whom we can do nothing" to paraphrase John 15:5, but "with Whom all things are possible" (Matt 19:26).

This is the essence of our faith, that man must be reconciled with and partake of/commune with God in order to be justified and possess the true righteousness he was created to have. We cannot do it "on our own'; we need God. Adam had thought otherwise; man became self-righteous so to speak from then on, and this autonomy from God or preference for ourselves persisted in man through the time of Christ's advent, whereupon He showed and gave us a whole new way, a way we're to follow Him in with the help of grace (even as believers will continue to struggle with pride and attraction to sin and doing things our own way). But the first response to grace for our part, that gets this whole reconciliation and communion with God rolling, is the gift of faith.

Yes, we're still enjoined to obey the Ten Commandments; we weren't created to sin after all, but it must be done the right way, the authentic way, on the basis of faith rather than on the basis of the law (Phil 3), meaning on the basis of grace and the relationship with God that flows from it. This occurs as God does a work in us, of transforming us into His image so that we love as He does, because "love fulfills the law" (Rom 13:8). And this is the fulfillment of the New Covenant prophecy of Jeremiah 31:33-34

 

[Original Happy Camper]

You are a trouble maker.

16 So Obadiah went to meet Ahab, and told him: and Ahab went to meet Elijah.

17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

18 And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the Lord, and thou hast followed Baalim.

 

[Andrewofthetribe]

You must be a Jew as you are indicating that the laws the Jewish leaders put on the Sabbath are superior to the acts of the Jesus Christ who is Perfect and never sinned. Who best to understand the law than the one who wrote the law.

Based on your posts I can not confirm that you are a follower of Christ.

Surely Everyman here has an interest in following Christ. It's a forum in his name?

 

[Winken]

I'm a little confused, when Jesus was speaking about law, was he talking about roman law or Jewish law

God's Grace was delivered through Abraham to the Hebrew people. They dropped the ball. Moses took over, prescribing God-ordained Law that no one could comply with. Jesus came, completing and fulfilling every aspect of the Law. It was no longer obligatory in word, action, thought or deed. Trusting Jesus, believing that He is our Savior, takes care of the whole of "the Law."

 

[jamespyles]

I'll admit to not reading all of the comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else already said.

Jesus was teaching his Jewish followers and only rarely had contact with non-Jews. That would mean he was teaching and interpreting the Torah commandments for Jewish disciples, not for the non-Jews. In Acts 9, Jesus specifically commissioned, Paul of Tarsus to be his emissary to the people of the nations. It's Paul, not Jesus so much, who is the most controversial figure in the New Testament and both Christians and Jews argue as to what his true message was.

Paul is where things get muddy in the New Testament since later on, he was accused of teaching Jews in the diaspora (exile) to not circumcise their sons and not follow the ways of the Torah (Acts 21). There are a growing body of New Testament scholars (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QUBUF1W/) who believe that Paul did not abandon his Jewish observance but only taught his non-Jewish students they were not obligated to the full body of the Torah. It's likely that news of this got back to Jerusalem and was either misunderstood as having applied to Paul's Jewish students as well, or was deliberately used against him by Paul's enemies (I suspect that there were Jews who were devoted to Jesus as the Messiah who nevertheless did not want Gentiles brought into their midst as disciples, even in the diaspora).

Bottom line (my opinion anyway) is that the non-Jewish disciples then and now are expected to observe a small subset of the Torah of Moses, and that although we're "grafted in" to many of the blessings of the New Covenant, Israel and the Jewish people will always be distinct from the rest of those devoted to their Messiah King.

 

[Winken]

I'll admit to not reading all of the comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else already said.

Jesus was teaching his Jewish followers and only rarely had contact with non-Jews. That would mean he was teaching and interpreting the Torah commandments for Jewish disciples, not for the non-Jews. In Acts 9, Jesus specifically commissioned, Paul of Tarsus to be his emissary to the people of the nations. It's Paul, not Jesus so much, who is the most controversial figure in the New Testament and both Christians and Jews argue as to what his true message was.

Paul is where things get muddy in the New Testament since later on, he was accused of teaching Jews in the diaspora (exile) to not circumcise their sons and not follow the ways of the Torah (Acts 21). There are a growing body of New Testament scholars (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QUBUF1W/) who believe that Paul did not abandon his Jewish observance but only taught his non-Jewish students they were not obligated to the full body of the Torah. It's likely that news of this got back to Jerusalem and was either misunderstood as having applied to Paul's Jewish students as well, or was deliberately used against him by Paul's enemies (I suspect that there were Jews who were devoted to Jesus as the Messiah who nevertheless did not want Gentiles brought into their midst as disciples, even in the diaspora).

Bottom line (my opinion anyway) is that the non-Jewish disciples then and now are expected to observe a small subset of the Torah of Moses, and that although we're "grafted in" to many of the blessings of the New Covenant, Israel and the Jewish people will always be distinct from the rest of those devoted to their Messiah King.

Great post! Informative!

I will only comment that "replacement theology" is not an accurate interpretation of scripture, and that anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who confesses Jesus as Savior, enters into the same tent: Salvation by Grace through Faith.

 

[Andrewofthetribe]

I'll admit to not reading all of the comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else already said.

Jesus was teaching his Jewish followers and only rarely had contact with non-Jews. That would mean he was teaching and interpreting the Torah commandments for Jewish disciples, not for the non-Jews. In Acts 9, Jesus specifically commissioned, Paul of Tarsus to be his emissary to the people of the nations. It's Paul, not Jesus so much, who is the most controversial figure in the New Testament and both Christians and Jews argue as to what his true message was.

Paul is where things get muddy in the New Testament since later on, he was accused of teaching Jews in the diaspora (exile) to not circumcise their sons and not follow the ways of the Torah (Acts 21). There are a growing body of New Testament scholars (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QUBUF1W/) who believe that Paul did not abandon his Jewish observance but only taught his non-Jewish students they were not obligated to the full body of the Torah. It's likely that news of this got back to Jerusalem and was either misunderstood as having applied to Paul's Jewish students as well, or was deliberately used against him by Paul's enemies (I suspect that there were Jews who were devoted to Jesus as the Messiah who nevertheless did not want Gentiles brought into their midst as disciples, even in the diaspora).

Bottom line (my opinion anyway) is that the non-Jewish disciples then and now are expected to observe a small subset of the Torah of Moses, and that although we're "grafted in" to many of the blessings of the New Covenant, Israel and the Jewish people will always be distinct from the rest of those devoted to their Messiah King.

Very interesting! You seem to speak with a certain amount of authority. May I ask your background how do you know all this? How deeply are we grafted in do you think? Should we be worried?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Did Jesus tell us to follow the Ten Commandments?

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code/ law
Rom7:6

You in your heart want to obey the ten commandments for that law has been placed on your heart.
But to obey it you don't look to the letter of the law, you follow after the holy spirit. To Paul they are two very different things

 

[Dave-W]

In Matthew 19 Jesus listed five of the ten commandments

If that were true, then as a Jewish man born under the Law, He sinned and invalidated Himself as our sacrifice for sins.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Jesus worked on the Sabbath, thus nullifying part of the "law."

No, He did not...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I'm a little confused, when Jesus was speaking about law, was he talking about roman law or Jewish law

God's Law

 

[Deadworm]

Appeals to Matthew 6:16-18 need qualification. The Sermon on the Mount presents Jesus as the New Moses or New Lawgiver and Jesus qualifies the authority of the Law with His oft repeated magisterial phrase, "You have heard it was said, but I say unto you." Jesus champions exceptions to Sabbath rest by His Sabbath healings and by the permission He gives for His disciples to gather grain on the Sabbath. Then as the New Lawgiver, Jesus offers this principle to govern the Sabbath: "The Sabbath was made for people, not people for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath (Mark 2:27-28)." Finally, Jesus limits the duration of Sabbath laws:"The Law and the Prophets were in effect until John came (Luke 16:16)."

Paul clarifies what this means by declaring: "Christ is the end of the Law for everyone who believes (Romans 10:4)." In other words, by His atoning death Christ brings the Law and its system of forgiveness to an end. But this does not mean that principles in the Law of Moses cannot be renewed for the Christian era (e. g. the Law's prohibition against homosexual sex acts.).

But it does mean that the 4th Commandment to honor the Sabbath can be replaced by Sunday worship in honor of "the Lord's Day," Easter Sunday. The Greek word for "the Lord's Day" is "kyriake" (see Revelation 1:10). A roughly contemporary Gospel, the Gospel of Peter, makes it clear that "kyriake" refers to Easter Sunday. That does not mean that Paul condemns the Jewish practice of continuing to honor the Sabbath: "One person esteems one day above another. Another person esteems every day the same. Let every one be fully persuaded in his own mind (Romans 14:5)." But Paul is indignant at Jewish Christians who criticize Gentile Christians for making Sunday their holy day: "Let no one condemn you over... festivals and new moons and Sabbaths (Colossians 2:16)."

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Did Jesus tell us to follow Moses 10 commandments?
Yes, Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

ronandcarol

But "heaven and earth" is a phrase used in New Testament times to describe the temple, which was destroyed in AD 70. The next time Jesus mentions "heaven and earth" is in Matthew 24:35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.” For context, Matthew 24 is about the destruction of the temple in the first century. Why did Jesus talk about heaven and earth passing away in the middle of discussing the destruction of the temple? Because the first century people referred to the temple system as “heaven and earth”.

What this means is that at least some "jots" and "tittles" have passed away because the prophecy was fulfilled.

 

[John Hyperspace]

Think about this: Romans 13:8-9. Now, you'll often hear it said that the commandments are basically the way to show love; Paul just said it himself right there. Now look: John 13:34. Now, why did Jesus call this "new commandment"? If the ten commandments define how to love your neighbor; then why did Jesus say a (single, one) "new commandment, I give to you"? Why was it new? If you can understand that; you'll understand the difference between the obedience to the ten commandments, and, obedience to the new commandment given by Jesus.

 

[John Hyperspace]

Hint: different source of obedience