Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[sparow]

Grace is a hard thing to comprehend, impossible by relying on the human intellect to understand it

One really is only responsible for what he comprehends; if one comprehends things are over his head then one brings himself down to a simpler level where he can comprehend. Basically one cannot contest with Satan because one will loose every time, unless one turns his back on Satan, (get behind me Satan) and follow God and keep his commandments.

For those who understand understanding is not difficult. Grace is a translator/interpreters choice; they could have used other words like: elegance, permission, beauty, mercy, forgiveness, liberty, freedom, tolerance, and concession; Grace is not far removed from abrogation, annulment, voidance, cancellation, NEONOMIANISM. Grace and it's inflation is a thin edge of Satan's wedge.

 

[sparow]

Moreover, he was clearly not an angel before his birth.

How do you know this?

 

[mark wright]

One really is only responsible for what he comprehends; if one comprehends things are over his head then one brings himself down to a simpler level where he can comprehend. Basically one cannot contest with Satan because one will loose every time, unless one turns his back on Satan, (get behind me Satan) and follow God and keep his commandments.

For those who understand understanding is not difficult. Grace is a translator/interpreters choice; they could have used other words like: elegance, permission, beauty, mercy, forgiveness, liberty, freedom, tolerance, and concession; Grace is not far removed from abrogation, annulment, voidance, cancellation, NEONOMIANISM. Grace and it's inflation is a thin edge of Satan's wedge.

If you want to understand/ accept the grace Paul preached you have to accept the way to live a holy life is by knowing you have no righteousness/ justification before God of observing the law
Sin is transgression of that law.

I do not believe it is possible for the human mind to understand/comprehend that without the holy spirits enlightenment

 

[mmksparbud]

Here's a reason for disliking Seventh Day Adventists you probably haven't heard.

When I was a teenager, our next door neighbors were SDA. We always found them to be a bit arrogant.

The Vietnam War was still going on at that time and the US still had a military draft. My mother found out that the SDA claim to be pacifists so they don't have to serve in the military. Their SDA school trains their boys to be medics so they can escape combat. To my mother this was infuriating. To think that I am liable to be drafted and sent to the front line in the Vietnam War because we are Baptists while our neighbors could claim a religious exemption made no sense to her.



It doesn't make any sense to me either. Ellen White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists, wasn't a pacifist. She gave her followers permission to enlist in the Union Army during the Civil War. At least she took this step after it became clear that the Union was going to win the war.

I suggest you see the movie--- Hacksaw Ridge. My brother was a medic in Korea.
You obviously know nothing of what medics have to go through to care for the wounded. They die in battle also.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Then, just posting on this forum may not be Godly, says this ex-Adventist.

Contending, admonishing and reproving is not the same as contention and strife and a railing accusation. We really need to learn the meanings to Biblical phrases...

 

[mark wright]

There are twenty eight fundamental beliefs of the SDA
If you want to know what they are just google them. Trinity is one

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Their SDA school trains their boys to be medics so they can escape combat.

I'll assume you never served.... to state that medics aren't on the front line in combat situations is ludicrous.

One of the highest decorated veterans of the second world war was an Adventist medic named Desmond Doss... He was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honour for saving over 75 men in combat during one of the bloodiest battles of the pacific theatre.

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[sparow]

The Dictionary isn't a good source of spiritual truth.

I'm not sure I get the title, "Why Do People Hate Seventh Day Adventists?"
Perhaps the question should be, why do they hate everyone else?

About ten years ago, our local SDA's put up a billboard saying "Sunday Worship is the Mark of the Beast." That's pretty extreme. Do I have to like a group that goes to such extremes to attack the day that my church meets? With no basis in Scripture for this absurd claim?

Nobody Really knows what the mark of the beast is; this could be extended to nobody knows anything. That Sunday worship is the mark of the beast is not the universal view of the SDA. We know that those who will not have it will not be able to buy or sell; so we should look around and see what is it that people who cannot buy or sell do not have; the obvious conclusion is money and the world is heading into a cashless society.

What influences the SDA is it's view of the Beast. The SDA historically are not alone calling the Papacy the Beast. Sir Isaac Newton believed the Papacy was the Beast; Isaac Newton was a religious man and wrote about religion as much as he wrote about science; the fact that he believed it, means the matter wasn't certain.

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[mmksparbud]

Not only did he get a Congressional medal of Honor---but there are only around 250 of those living that have one----when they met, he was the most highly regarded by them. The rest got theirs by killing others, he never even carried a gun, but was shot 3 times during the war and ended up with TB from his combat duties and lost a lung. He carried each one of those 75 soldiers one at a time with bullets flying all over the place--not one solder was hit. He crawled with the first soldier, the rest, he stood up cause it was faster. He weighed all of 130 lbs, not exactly a big, muscular guy. When He did get shot in other battles, he refused help until his men were all taken care of. And BTW we are not the only people who are non-combatants.

 

[mmksparbud]

And just FYI---we are not the first to have said the Pope is the antichrist---that prize goes to the Catholic church itself!
Arnulf, archbishop of Reims, is the first one to have called the Pope the antichrist, in AD 991--there were 3 other Catholics calling other Popes that. So did Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Thomas, John Knox, Thomas Cranmer, John Wesley, Wycliffe, Zwingly, Tyndale, it's a very long list long before any SDA ever reared its head.

 

[sparow]

If you want to understand/ accept the grace Paul preached you have to accept the way to live a holy life is by knowing you have no righteousness/ justification before God of observing the law
Sin is transgression of that law.

I do not believe it is possible for the human mind to understand/comprehend that without the holy spirits enlightenment

If by "that' you mean what you have said above then I have to assume what you are arguing about. I do not use Paul as an authority or friend. The SDA do and I know of three other denominations who keep the Law and the Sabbath who use Paul to justify doing so.

Some people think they have the Law written on their hearts and mind; it is not for me to question that except by observing fruit (fruit inspector); They then say they no longer are required to keep the Law but I would say the opposite is true, knowing the Law they are now without excuse.

One cannot know the truth without the spirit of God, but without God one can certainly acquire any old understanding from Paul.

http://www.barriewilson.com/pdf/Taking-Paul-at-His-Word.pdf

 

[mark wright]

If by "that' you mean what you have said above then I have to assume what you are arguing about. I do not use Paul as an authority or friend. The SDA do and I know of three other denominations who keep the Law and the Sabbath who use Paul to justify doing so.

Some people think they have the Law written on their hearts and mind; it is not for me to question that except by observing fruit (fruit inspector); They then say they no longer are required to keep the Law but I would say the opposite is true, knowing the Law they are now without excuse.

One cannot know the truth without the spirit of God, but without God one can certainly acquire any old understanding from Paul.

http://www.barriewilson.com/pdf/Taking-Paul-at-His-Word.pdf

Well Paul did write two thirds of the instructional books concerning the new covenant that follow the gospels. Assuming the canon I divinely inspired he was chosen as the chief exponent of it to the world.
I have not personally met any sda member who has stressed much of what Paul wrote, but that may just be me.
You cannot be a christian unless the law has been written on your mind and placed on your heart.
I fully agree. Without God one can and people do acquire any old understanding of paul
And then many just ignore much of what he wrote, possibly preferring to ignore it than come to any old understanding of it

 

[sparow]

Here's a reason for disliking Seventh Day Adventists you probably haven't heard.

When I was a teenager, our next door neighbors were SDA. We always found them to be a bit arrogant.

The Vietnam War was still going on at that time and the US still had a military draft. My mother found out that the SDA claim to be pacifists so they don't have to serve in the military. Their SDA school trains their boys to be medics so they can escape combat. To my mother this was infuriating. To think that I am liable to be drafted and sent to the front line in the Vietnam War because we are Baptists while our neighbors could claim a religious exemption made no sense to her.



It doesn't make any sense to me either. Ellen White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists, wasn't a pacifist. She gave her followers permission to enlist in the Union Army during the Civil War. At least she took this step after it became clear that the Union was going to win the war.

 

[sparow]

Here's a reason for disliking Seventh Day Adventists you probably haven't heard.

When I was a teenager, our next door neighbors were SDA. We always found them to be a bit arrogant.

The Vietnam War was still going on at that time and the US still had a military draft. My mother found out that the SDA claim to be pacifists so they don't have to serve in the military. Their SDA school trains their boys to be medics so they can escape combat. To my mother this was infuriating. To think that I am liable to be drafted and sent to the front line in the Vietnam War because we are Baptists while our neighbors could claim a religious exemption made no sense to her.



It doesn't make any sense to me either. Ellen White, the founder of the Seventh Day Adventists, wasn't a pacifist. She gave her followers permission to enlist in the Union Army during the Civil War. At least she took this step after it became clear that the Union was going to win the war.

My understanding from discussion with a SDA Pastor: the churches position is to serve in non-combat roles the church would not stop any member from serving in a combat role if the chose to do so nor would they condemn anyone who did.

 

[Widlast]

On YouTube I watched how the SDA are a cult. According to my dictionary there is nothing wrong with being a cult.

Here the SDA defends itself:

I don't hate them, I tend to ignore them.
Just another one of the many silly heresies the modern world has produced.
All things considered, they tend to be very "nice" people. God will deal with this and all other things in His own time.

 

[mmksparbud]

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The beast of Revelation is, as all those beasts are, a political power. It is as a political power that enforces religious law that whichever pope enforces that law, that that pope becomes The antichrist. There have been many antichrists before that, since the apostle first mentioned it, but this one will be The one. It is not the people, it is not every pope, it is a political power enforcing religious laws against the stated commandment of God about the Sabbath. and will have the cooperation of everyone else in power.

1Jn_2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Dale]

Do you have scriptual backing for your claims? Btw, no one here is claiming Jesus was created... we are saying that based on scripture, the Son of God was also the Captain of the host.

Joshua 5:14-15
And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?

And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Is it true that Elder James White, the husband of your prophetess Ellen White, held strong anti-trinitarian views? Is it also true that she never criticized her husband on this point?

 

[Sketcher]

How do you know this?

Hebrews 1 differentiates Jesus from the angels from all eternity. Philippians 2:5-11, John 1:1-4 and 14, and Colossians 1:15-23 all point to divine origin rather than angelic origin. Indeed, Colossians 2:18 speaks ill of the worship of angels, and Revelation 23:8-9 shows that good angels do not accept worship. But Christ accepted worship at the Triumphal Entry to Jerusalem, and from Thomas after he rose from the grave.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Is it true that Elder James White, the husband of your prophetess Ellen White, held strong anti-trinitarian views? Is it also true that she never criticized her husband on this point?

I have strong anti Trinitarian views yet I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, Divine in nature, begotten from the Father... what's your point?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Hebrews 1 differentiates Jesus from the angels from all eternity. Philippians 2:5-11, John 1:1-4 and 14, and Colossians 1:15-23 all point to divine origin rather than angelic origin. Indeed, Colossians 2:18 speaks ill of the worship of angels, and Revelation 23:8-9 shows that good angels do not accept worship. But Christ accepted worship at the Triumphal Entry to Jerusalem, and from Thomas after he rose from the grave.

Would you say that the Captain of the Lords host is the same as the Archangel... arch meaning head of?