GENTILES OR CHRISTIANS PRACTICING THE SABBATH ?

[YouAreAwesome]

Now you are changing the discussion to whether or not we are obliged to keep the Sabbath. Please show me a command from the Father, Son or any Apostle telling us we are not to keep the Sabbath.

How about the whole letter to the Galatians. How about the whole New Testament.

But anyways, as for one proof-text hmmm so many to pick from... what about, Galatians 2:18

“For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor”

Actually maybe Colossians 2:16-17 is better

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

So I am encouraged by Paul to not judge you for keeping the Sabbath (whatever "keeping the Sabbath" means anyway).

 

[YouAreAwesome]

God does something as monumental as write with His own finger in stone, and it means nothing?

What do you suppose it means? He has accomplished many supernatural acts. He also wrote on the wall MENE MENE TEKEL PARSIN. Is that eternal? He spoke through a donkey, should we all sit around hoping a donkey speaks again? The logic is just ridiculous.

God wrote with His finger therefore.... [insert whatever you want]

 

[YouAreAwesome]

All ten were put on tables of stone as a sign that they are immutable.

Huh? Did you just make that up?

They were then written on hearts and minds of NC believers.

Nope. God writes His law on our hearts. Not the Mosaic law. He never wrote on my heart to have no other gods before Him because I wasn't raised in Egyptian Mythology. There was no need. I don't have any other god tempting me. Isn't a concern of mine. Nope. He places His Spirit within us and we walk with Him. If we are going to do something He disagrees with we will feel it in our spirit. This is the law on our hearts, a day by day communication. Not a "one-off" stagnant rule-set. God desires RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, not RELATIONSHIP WITH RULES.

 

[visionary]

How about the whole letter to the Galatians. How about the whole New Testament.

But anyways, as for one proof-text hmmm so many to pick from... what about, Galatians 2:18

“For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor”

Actually maybe Colossians 2:16-17 is better

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

So I am encouraged by Paul to not judge you for keeping the Sabbath (whatever "keeping the Sabbath" means anyway).

Judging my way of keeping the Sabbath is totally different from judging the Sabbath as something you do not keep. The Sabbath is a shadow of things to come and found in Yeshua. That is a good place to be found, for it is prophetic God given rhythm in your cycle of life both for the here and now and also for eternity with Him.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Judging my way of keeping the Sabbath is totally different from judging the Sabbath as something you do not keep. The Sabbath is a shadow of things to come and found in Yeshua. That is a good place to be found, for it is prophetic God given rhythm in your cycle of life both for the here and now and also for eternity with Him.

You think Sabbath exists in heaven where there is no night or day? Therefore, no days, therefore no 7th day, therefore no Sabbath day. How do you figure that?

Yes I agree the Sabbath was found in Jesus. And just as the day of atonement was found in Jesus, we are no longer bound to continue practicing it. In fact, if we do, we prove ourselves to be a transgressor as it says in Galatians 2:18.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

1 Corinthians 9:20 refutes your first paragraph.

Constantine took credit for what had already been put in place and this refutes the 2nd paragraph.

Therefore the third, as a summary, is refuted also.

Took credit for what that was already in place?????????

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

So, what you are saying is that Messiah Yeshua sinned and did not keep the Sabbath since he not only did not eat manna, but also went out of a house on the Sabbath?

Yabut since He's the Lord of the Sabbath He could get away with it.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Took credit for what that was already in place?????????

Yep. Sunday was pretty standard and Constantine took the opportunity to say, we shall all keep the Sunday. The illusion of power. There is no historical evidence Constantine changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Hahaaha first you say this

Then you say this

I'll say again, just because the Sabbath is placed within the ten commandments doesn't mean anything.

I did not separate them, you did. I said they are all in place on 2 tablets of stone. The first 4 are how to love God and the last 6 are how we are to love our neighbor. I asked YOU if the first 3 are still in effect since you say only moral laws are. You still never answered my question.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yabut since He's the Lord of the Sabbath He could get away with it.

How about the whole letter to the Galatians. How about the whole New Testament.

But anyways, as for one proof-text hmmm so many to pick from... what about, Galatians 2:18

“For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor”

Actually maybe Colossians 2:16-17 is better

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

So I am encouraged by Paul to not judge you for keeping the Sabbath (whatever "keeping the Sabbath" means anyway).

Paul said that TO believers because Pagans wanted them to change their customs.

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Of course we are not justified...no one is...we do not do it to gain favor...we do it because we LOVE God.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yep. Sunday was pretty standard and Constantine took the opportunity to say, we shall all keep the Sunday. The illusion of power. There is no historical evidence Constantine changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

The Sabbath is still Saturday. He added Sunday (the day of Resurrection).

 

[YouAreAwesome]

I did not separate them, you did. I said they are all in place on 2 tablets of stone. The first 4 are how to love God and the last 6 are how we are to love our neighbor. I asked YOU if the first 3 are still in effect since you say only moral laws are. You still never answered my question.

No, I don't say the moral laws are still in place. I am challenging those who do. Are you like me and argue that even the moral laws of the Old Covenant are no longer requirements for blessing? Most argue that the moral laws of the old are still in effect in the new, so I find it easiest to show how the Sabbath is not moral. But what do you say? You say it is not moral?

As for the first 4 being "how to love God", someone just made that idea up. Couldn't it be that the first 3 are about loving God, and the fourth is a ceremony/sign/symbol pointing to Jesus, while the last 6 are loving our neighbour - but not the totality of how to love our neighbour, just important things for the Israelites to keep in mind having grown up under Egyptian slavery.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yabut since He's the Lord of the Sabbath He could get away with it.

Yeshua NEVER broke Torah...

 

[YouAreAwesome]

The Sabbath is still Saturday. He added Sunday (the day of Resurrection).

He formalised Sunday. It was already added. Did you know Sunday was never a pagan holiday? So why did he "add Sunday". He formalised it for the sake of the pagans so everyone would worship on the same day.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No, I don't say the moral laws are still in place. I am challenging those who do. Are you like me and argue that even the moral laws of the Old Covenant are no longer requirements for blessing? Most argue that the moral laws of the old are still in effect in the new, so I find it easiest to show how the Sabbath is not moral. But what do you say? You say it is not moral?

I am not arguing regarding moral or not. Nor am I arguing that we follow because of blessing or force. We follow because we love God...period. The blessings of following Shabbat are a plus (and I can truthfully say that I have been blessed from it). Sounds like you want them to be the 10 Suggestions...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He formalised Sunday. It was already added. Did you know Sunday was never a pagan holiday? So why did he "add Sunday". He formalised it for the sake of the pagans so everyone would worship on the same day.

The Church had already adopted Sunday (the 1st day of the week) to commemorate Yeshua's Resurrection. But the Sabbath was always on Saturday.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

I am not arguing regarding moral or not. Nor am I arguing that we follow because of blessing or force. We follow because we love God...period. The blessings of following Shabbat are a plus (and I can truthfully say that I have been blessed from it). Sounds like you want them to be the 10 Suggestions...

You do well, very rare to follow from love.

Not the 10 suggestions. The Ten Commandments FOR ISRAEL UNTIL JESUS. Now we live in a new covenant that is not the same as the old covenant. Jesus is our advocate, not Moses, or Joshua, and He has better promises. He is better in every way. Our job is to receive and love. No laws. No commandments but one: believe on the name of Jesus and love.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

The Church had already adopted Sunday (the 1st day of the week) to commemorate Yeshua's Resurrection. But the Sabbath was always on Saturday.

The Sabbath was given to the Israelites until it was fulfilled in Jesus, our eternal rest. I've got to go to bed, continue tomorrow. Peace.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Love God and love your neighbor...is basically a summary of the 10 Commandments...on these hang all the Law and the prophets.
Yeshua still taught them...

 

[Joshua_5]

The Sabbath was given to the Israelites until it was fulfilled in Jesus, our eternal rest. I've got to go to bed, continue tomorrow. Peace.

I don't understand how some can say observing the Sabbath is still required, but physical circumcision is not. Wasn't physical circumcision a command that even outweighed observing the Sabbath?

I know the point was raised before, but I don't think it was suitably refuted.