GENTILES OR CHRISTIANS PRACTICING THE SABBATH ?

[Dave-W]

Okay. I believe that both Jews and Gentiles are grafted into the Vine, who is Christ.

You are mixing your metaphors. No one is grafted into the "vine." GO re-read Jn 15. No grafting going on there at all.

In an entirely DIFFERENT metaphor, Paul uses the image of 2 olive trees; one cultivated (Israel, the Jews) and a wild tree. (gentiles) The first represents salvation and the 2nd is destruction. Gentiles must be cut from the latter and grafted into the former to be saved.

Our Lord and Paul were talking about 2 different things.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Okay. I believe that both Jews and Gentiles are grafted into the Vine, who is Christ.

Yes, but ONLY A FEW Jews and gentiles, not all. Not most. Not many.



4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

 

[Joshua_5]

Yes, but ONLY A FEW Jews and gentiles, not all. Not most. Not many.

For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[Shimshon]

Revelation 7
9After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.10And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

11All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12saying:

“Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!”

13Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Yes, but ONLY A FEW Jews and gentiles, not all. Not most. Not many.

For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[BobRyan]

What??

In the OT - gentiles living in Jerusalem were not allowed to break the Sabbath - they had civil laws under that Theocracy that would forbid it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

{ F E W }
VS the whole world who DID NOT WASH THEIR ROBES IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB >>>
Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by ...
Revelation 9:20 ... they did not stop worshiping demons, ... But the people who did not die in these plagues still refused to repent of their evil deeds and turn ...

 

[Shimshon]

A great multitude that nobody could count VS ......the rest....

a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language,

{ F E W }
VS the whole world

ok a multitude of people from all over the world so great you could not count are less than the rest that were judged. So much so that only a sliver of the whole would make it. And your for certain that you're one of those slivers. ok

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Do you have problem with english translations ?
Perhaps the english is wrong ?

Y'SHUA MESSIAH says simply that the road to life is narrow , and few <<<<<<
FEW ((i.e. not many))
are those who find it.

This does not contradict any other SCRIPTURE/ YHWH'S WORD anyplace.

ok a multitude of people from all over the world so great you could not count are less than the rest that were judged. So much so that only a sliver of the whole would make it. And your for certain that you're one of those slivers. ok

 

[Shimshon]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath ?
and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath ?
i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

Yes, it's ok for non-Jews to participate among the Jewish community by practicing the Shabbat. My suggestion or encouragement would be that the whole family is engaged and the children are focused on. Make it more about the spirit of your heart than focusing on the quality of your physical observance. For a good resource I would recommend FFOZ TV. They can help you understand the Messianic Jewish lifestyle. Enjoy, and shalom.

 

[BeStill&Know]

There are at least 2 major reasons (studies) I've heard why gentiles are to rest on Sunday or the originally Sabbath.
Sabbath is what the Lord I believe lead me to.
I try the best I can in prayer to focus my mind on the Lord, His Word, and study, and not on the the earthly realm as much as possible. Like cooking, cleaning, bills, laundry, and worries or concerns. It has been medically proven that a day of rest is very beneficial to the body, soul and spirit.

 

[BobRyan]

There are at least 2 major reasons (studies) I've heard why gentiles are to rest on Sunday or the originally Sabbath.
Sabbath is what the Lord I believe lead me to.
I try the best I can in prayer to focus my mind on the Lord, His Word, and study, and not on the the earthly realm as much as possible. Like cooking, cleaning, bills, laundry, and worries or concerns. It has been medically proven that a day of rest is very beneficial to the body, soul and spirit.

There is no question but that "the Sabbath was made for mankind" as Christ said in Mark 2:27.

The Sabbath and Marriage are the two institutions that mankind took out of the Garden of Eden after the fall of man. And both are under attack.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

And both are under attack.

The devil indeed attacks the sabbath keepers, ever since , well, always.
Likewise also marriage.
Especially in the last days.

I think the CREATOR HIMSELF said something about this.
and
as Jesus Messiah said why - so we would know ahead of time that this would happen (has been happening for thousands of years now),
and
so that our JOY would CONTINUE OVERFLOWING through all the persecution and tribulation that is PROMISED for everyone who
chooses to live right.

 

[BeStill&Know]

There is no question but that "the Sabbath was made for mankind" as Christ said in Mark 2:27.

The Sabbath and Marriage are the two institutions that mankind took out of the Garden of Eden after the fall of man. And both are under attack.

Yes, my thoughts are when the Sabbath was changed for whatever reason, it obviously opened a can of worms, a Pandora's box,as we can see historically, and presently.

 

[Lily76_]

wow i didn't think id get as many replies thank you all for replying and the links
going to start going through them all and learn more about YESHUA

 

[gadar perets]

wow i didn't think id get as many replies thank you all for replying and the links
going to start going through them all and learn more about YESHUA

I noticed the words under your name read, "Want to be saved". Just so you know, keeping the Sabbath does not save anyone. Sabbath obedience is a fruit of our salvation, not the means to it. The only way to be saved is by Yahweh's grace through faith in His Son Yeshua. Once you have asked Yeshua to be your Master and Savior, you then become his disciple and begin to obey his commandments and imitate his life. He becomes our example of living a holy life before our holy God.

May I ask where you are in that process? Have you put your faith in Yeshua? Are there any questions we can answer for you that will help you understand Yeshua and salvation better?

 

[Lily76_]

I am new to this process even thought i was born into a Catholic family there where a lot of abuse by friends of the family one of them a priest that told me i am evil and am going to hell that Yahweh dont love me
i want to be saved is an old thing in my profile am changing it to saved by Yeshua i have problems learning things i am reading a animated bible at the moment am starting to understand what Yeshua has done for us he saved us all and he loves us no matter what , he loves us even if we have a dark past and he forgives us
my past was full of occult and other evils
because of the abuse i have forgotten most of the bible stories so i have to learn them again
I have OCD and other mental health problems due to past things
Am on a lot meds and sometimes i can be very unwell and not of sound mind
at the moment am ok but that can change

 

[gadar perets]

Praise Yahweh that you are saved by Yeshua. I will lift you up in prayer that Yahweh will heal your mind, get you off the meds and make you to stand victorious through Yeshua come judgment day.

 

[Lily76_]

I feel i must celebrate the Sabbath but i cant drink wine due to past addiction problems would grape juice do ?
and am vegetarian so i cant have any meat or any animal produces
there is only me in the house my husband is uninterested in any religion he always been like that so there is only me so am unsure if am allowed to say the blessing for the wine and other male blessings of the Sabbath etc
at the moment my husband takes me to church as i am unable to go there on my own due to how bad my mental health is
i am at a church where people are understanding about my mental health and i have support there

3 days ago i tried to go out the house and go to the train station because i thought that Yeshua is meeting me and i can jump through a portal i was very delusional i am still recovering from that but i wouldn't like to think what would have happened if i got out the house and went to the train station

my husband refuses to go any where else unsure if he would let me join a messianic congregations unsure if there is one in Edinburgh Scotland

 

[gadar perets]

I feel i must celebrate the Sabbath but i cant drink wine due to past addiction problems would grape juice do ?

You don't need wine or grape juice to celebrate the Sabbath. That is just a tradition. Just rest, fellowship with brethren of like faith, worship Yahweh and feed on His Word and on Yeshua, the Bread of Life.

and am vegetarian so i cant have any meat or any animal produces

Not a problem either. Try to get all your cooking done before Sabbath starts.

there is only me in the house my husband is uninterested in any religion he always been like that so there is only me so am unsure if am allowed to say the blessing for the wine and other male blessings of the Sabbath etc
at the moment my husband takes me to church as i am unable to go there on my own due to how bad my mental health is
i am at a church where people are understanding about my mental health and i have support there

Saying blessings are also just tradition. Yahweh accepts any prayers from the heart.

3 days ago i tried to go out the house and go to the train station because i thought that Yeshua is meeting me and i can jump through a portal i was very delusional i am still recovering from that but i wouldn't like to think what would have happened if i got out the house and went to the train station

my husband refuses to go any where else unsure if he would let me join a messianic congregations unsure if there is one in Edinburgh Scotland

Here is a possible congregation. I know nothing about it except the contact info:

Sh’ar Yashuv Messianic Fellowship
14 Kirkgate, Currie
Edinburgh
EH14 6AN
United Kingdom
Muriel Adams: adam.family@blueyonder.co.uk

 

[Lily76_]

Thank you for posting back to me am going to email them and ask about the congregation and maybe if my husbands ok about it that i could go there