Marches against Trump

[Galatea]

I have two theories about the marches:
(1) Most of the people marching are Milennials. Milennials, as we know, have been raised in a society where everyone wins and there are no losers. Everyone gets a trophy kind of thing. Perhaps they are marching simply because they are not taught how to "take the lumps" and shrug off losing? Maybe losing is incomprehensible to them since Obama has won the last two elections.
(2) It is getting colder, and I think the marches will decrease in proportion as the temperatures decrease.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I have two theories about the marches:
(1) Most of the people marching are Milennials. Milennials, as we know, have been raised in a society where everyone wins and there are no losers. Everyone gets a trophy kind of thing. Perhaps they are marching simply because they are not taught how to "take the lumps" and shrug off losing? Maybe losing is incomprehensible to them since Obama has won the last two elections.
(2) It is getting colder, and I think the marches will decrease in proportion as the temperatures decrease.

I think many of them simply can't or just don't want to accept the someone as bad as Donald Trump could ever be honestly elected president. I can't believe it either but I'm not going to go out and protest the decision. I have more important things to do with my life and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.

 

[Jack of Spades]

(1) Most of the people marching are Milennials. Milennials, as we know, have been raised in a society where everyone wins and there are no losers. Everyone gets a trophy kind of thing. Perhaps they are marching simply because they are not taught how to "take the lumps" and shrug off losing? Maybe losing is incomprehensible to them since Obama has won the last two elections.

I think peaceful protesting for something you're unhappy about, is a democratic civil right. So, all the marchers need for protesting is to 1) know their rights and 2) be unhappy about something.

Millenials are not the only American generation marching against something they feel strongly about:

1963:

Spoiler

1969:

Spoiler

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I think peaceful protesting for something you're unhappy about, is a democratic civil right. So, all the marchers need for protesting is to 1) know their rights and 2) be unhappy about something.

Millenials are not the only American generation marching against something they feel strongly about:

1963:

Spoiler

1969:

Spoiler

One major difference is millennials don't have the focused aim or legitimate cause the Civil Rights movement had for itself. These were people who were truly oppressed to the point sitting at the wrong lunch counter could have you arrested, beaten or killed.

None of that is true for the people we see 'protesting' Donald Trump today. There could be some peaceful protesters out there with legitimate concerns but if anytime and every time they come out a mob comes with them to block streets and freeways and destroy property, then it really doesn't matter if any of them were peaceful.

 

[Jack of Spades]

One major difference is millennials don't have the focused aim or legitimate cause the Civil Rights movement had for itself. These were people who were truly oppressed to the point sitting at the wrong lunch counter could have you arrested, beaten or killed.

I think protesting without a stated, specific goal is complete waste of time.

 

[4x4toy]

I have two theories about the marches:
(1) Most of the people marching are Milennials. Milennials, as we know, have been raised in a society where everyone wins and there are no losers. Everyone gets a trophy kind of thing. Perhaps they are marching simply because they are not taught how to "take the lumps" and shrug off losing? Maybe losing is incomprehensible to them since Obama has won the last two elections.
(2) It is getting colder, and I think the marches will decrease in proportion as the temperatures decrease.

Good point Galatea ... I think they are going to end up transforming the liberal cities to "reasonable" when the protesters damage and obstruction hits home .. I hope their temper tantrums continue in their home cities until EVERY body is sick of it .
Unless you believe they're hired and bussed in to disrupt of course .

 

[Rajni]

Unless you believe they're hired and bussed in to disrupt of course .

Yes, that's possible as well. With 'news', it's hard to tell what is authentic and what is staged (unless one is directly involved in the situation).


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[Galatea]

I think many of them simply can't or just don't want to accept the someone as bad as Donald Trump could ever be honestly elected president. I can't believe it either but I'm not going to go out and protest the decision. I have more important things to do with my life and no amount of protest is going to change the decision.

That's what I mean. I think they are unable to "roll with the punches". Today, we have a generation where parents call university professors to complain when their children get a bad grade. I think this is a generational problem. I heard Peggy Noonan say on "Face the Nation" that sometimes you lose, this is the way it works. I think some Milennials can't honestly comprehend losing. this is different from marching against police brutality or some other social injustice. This is marching against our democratic process, just because you don't like who won.

 

[Galatea]

I think peaceful protesting for something you're unhappy about, is a democratic civil right. So, all the marchers need for protesting is to 1) know their rights and 2) be unhappy about something.

Millenials are not the only American generation marching against something they feel strongly about:

1963:

Spoiler

1969:

Spoiler

There is a difference, though. The difference is people are marching to protest the voting process because they don't like who won. That's being "a spoil sport" or having bad sportsmanship. The elections were lawful, they're not suggesting they were rigged or any thing like that. They simply don't like the result.

This is different than marching against social injustices. This is like being angry because they failed a test and want their grades changed. It happens quite often nowadays.

Sure, they have the right to demonstrate. I think they are demonstrating bad sportsmanship.

 

[Galatea]

One major difference is millennials don't have the focused aim or legitimate cause the Civil Rights movement had for itself. These were people who were truly oppressed to the point sitting at the wrong lunch counter could have you arrested, beaten or killed.

None of that is true for the people we see 'protesting' Donald Trump today. There could be some peaceful protesters out there with legitimate concerns but if anytime and every time they come out a mob comes with them to block streets and freeways and destroy property, then it really doesn't matter if any of them were peaceful.

Well, that's what I'm getting at. They have the right to march, sure. But what are they protesting? That in a legal election their candidate lost? What kind of cause is that? They're not even suggesting the election was rigged. If that were the case, then marching would be understandable.

I agree with you, when property and people get hurt, then this is definitely not civil disobedience, but uncivil disobedience.

 

[Galatea]

Good point Galatea ... I think they are going to end up transforming the liberal cities to "reasonable" when the protesters damage and obstruction hits home .. I hope their temper tantrums continue in their home cities until EVERY body is sick of it .
Unless you believe they're hired and bussed in to disrupt of course .

I don't hope it continues, I'm just trying to understand the mindset of people who protest legal elections simply because their candidate lost. It shocked me, really. It seems ridiculous behavior.

No, I hope the cold weather and the holidays gets people thinking about other things than having lost the election.

I don't know about people being bussed in, I think there are probably enough irritated people without needing outside help.

 

[HannahT]

There could be some peaceful protesters out there with legitimate concerns but if anytime and every time they come out a mob comes with them to block streets and freeways and destroy property, then it really doesn't matter if any of them were peaceful.

I think that is true. There are many with legitimate concerns. Then you have those that just join in just because, and you know them when they are interviewed by the media. They make no sense. Yet, those are the ones that make the media sources money...because they seem them as entertainment. They ignore the protestors that are articulate, and could very much be an asset to their cause - if they could be heard.

The mobs are the ones that ruin it for everyone. With the political atmosphere? It has to be hard to decide how to handle that too. They should be arrested, and charged with felonies due to their actions. That might actually slow the mobs down a bit, and let the true protestors do what they came to do. No one is willing to take the political hit to really go after the mobs to a point. They might get a handful, but that doesn't do anything.

I feel badly for the small businesses. They will feel that hit for at least 2 years - if they survive. In the poorer neighborhoods/areas? It could take 10/15 years to get back to where they were before.

 

[Jack of Spades]

There is a difference, though. The difference is people are marching to protest the voting process because they don't like who won. That's being "a spoil sport" or having bad sportsmanship. The elections were lawful, they're not suggesting they were rigged or any thing like that. They simply don't like the result.

This is different than marching against social injustices. This is like being angry because they failed a test and want their grades changed. It happens quite often nowadays.

Sure, they have the right to demonstrate. I think they are demonstrating bad sportsmanship.

Maybe young people are not the greatest at communicating their point. They could be saying "Something gotta be done with the system, so a guy like this doesn't get to be the president"?

I can see how someone would be extremely disappointed with the result and question the sensibility of the outcome. People do protest against court rulings too, and they're lawful.

I don't think this is an average election. Republicans have won before, in senate and house, and no such thing has happened. Trump has given plenty of reasons to feel upset about his presidency, a lot more so than John McCain, Mitt Romney or George Bush.

I get what you're saying and there might be some truth to it, but I don't think it's the whole truth. I'm just trying to understand the other side of it. If a candidate goes for scorched earth - divisiveness for 1,5 years, and says the most outrageous things he can think of, he can't just ask people to get over them overnight.

 

[SnowyMacie]

I think many of them simply can't or just don't want to accept the someone as bad as Donald Trump could ever be honestly elected president.

Pretty much. I'm still trying to accept the fact that Trump was actually elected President, but I just still can't believe it.

 

[Galatea]

Maybe young people are not the greatest at communicating their point. They could be saying "Something gotta be done with the system, so a guy like this doesn't get to be the president"?

I can see how someone would be extremely disappointed with the result and question the sensibility of the outcome. People do protest against court rulings too, and they're lawful.

I don't think this is an average election. Republicans have won before, in senate and house, and no such thing has happened. Trump has given plenty of reasons to feel upset about his presidency, a lot more so than John McCain, Mitt Romney or George Bush.

I get what you're saying and there might be some truth to it, but I don't think it's the whole truth. I'm just trying to understand the other side of it. If a candidate goes for scorched earth - divisiveness for 1,5 years, and says the most outrageous things he can think of, he can't just ask people to get over them overnight.

I think the young people of the 1960s were pretty articulate about civil rights.

There were many people highly upset when Obama was elected, as well as when George W was elected- these were two very divisive elections- yet people did not protest the elections at the time. I don't remember anyone taking to the streets when George W was elected, and many people thought he got elected illegaly.

Law cases, social issues, these things are different from the actual voting process- the legal election process that most people (for 200 years) think of as a sacred institution.

I kind of think it is a disgrace to equate these protesters with the civil rights protesters.

Who wants to change the system of voting? It's not perfect, but it's the best one on Earth.

There is a difference between changing social policy and changing our actual structure of government. It would be sort of like a coup, in a way.

 

[Galatea]

I think that is true. There are many with legitimate concerns. Then you have those that just join in just because, and you know them when they are interviewed by the media. They make no sense. Yet, those are the ones that make the media sources money...because they seem them as entertainment. They ignore the protestors that are articulate, and could very much be an asset to their cause - if they could be heard.

The mobs are the ones that ruin it for everyone. With the political atmosphere? It has to be hard to decide how to handle that too. They should be arrested, and charged with felonies due to their actions. That might actually slow the mobs down a bit, and let the true protestors do what they came to do. No one is willing to take the political hit to really go after the mobs to a point. They might get a handful, but that doesn't do anything.

I feel badly for the small businesses. They will feel that hit for at least 2 years - if they survive. In the poorer neighborhoods/areas? It could take 10/15 years to get back to where they were before.

My question is, what are their concerns? It seems like they just don't want to accept the election results.

 

[Skavau]

I have two theories about the marches:
(1) Most of the people marching are Milennials. Milennials, as we know, have been raised in a society where everyone wins and there are no losers. Everyone gets a trophy kind of thing. Perhaps they are marching simply because they are not taught how to "take the lumps" and shrug off losing? Maybe losing is incomprehensible to them since Obama has won the last two elections.

Maybe it's because Hillary won the popular vote.

 

[Skavau]

I kind of think it is a disgrace to equate these protesters with the civil rights protesters.

Who wants to change the system of voting? It's not perfect, but it's the best one on Earth.

There is a difference between changing social policy and changing our actual structure of government. It would be sort of like a coup, in a way.

No it isn't. Your system is gerrymandered, full of FPTP 'winner takes all' nonsense and your primary system is a mess.

 

[Vylo]

I don't hope it continues, I'm just trying to understand the mindset of people who protest legal elections simply because their candidate lost. It shocked me, really. It seems ridiculous behavior.

No, I hope the cold weather and the holidays gets people thinking about other things than having lost the election.

I don't know about people being bussed in, I think there are probably enough irritated people without needing outside help.

The mindset is that they feel Trump is a monster that should not be given the reins of power. There are several other arguments, but this is probably the most common one.

 

[Skavau]

My question is, what are their concerns? It seems like they just don't want to accept the election results.

This isn't like Rubio, Bush, Paul or Kasich getting elected. This is more like Vladimir Putin getting elected. You might not see it, but people see a populist demagogue who wants to craft the US in his own image.