The Discovery of Jesus Body - would it shake your faith?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Y'SHUA'S disciples, brothers and sisters and mother all knew where it was or could have visited most any time they wanted to,
and they would never ever think of making a pilgrimage to it.

What I find interesting is that it seems it's not confirmed where exactly Jesus's tomb was, just several candidates that it might have been. I would think it would be known 100% where Jesus was buried then resurrected from and people would make pilgrimages there.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

False deception it may be, but keep in mind it's a hypothetical. Hypotheticals can be answered.

No. It is a total denial of Y'SHUA'S RESURRECTION and YHWH'S PLAN and HIS WORD.
i.e. directly opposed to YHWH, YHWH'S WORD, and SALVATION, as are most all other visions , apparitions, and such.

 

[CrystalDragon]

No. It is a total denial of Y'SHUA'S RESURRECTION and YHWH'S PLAN and HIS WORD.
i.e. directly opposed to YHWH, YHWH'S WORD, and SALVATION, as are most all other visions , apparitions, and such.

As it is now, it may be denial, but look at it this way and answer honestly, don't just try to dodge the question:

IF a body was found, and IF it was somehow proven to be Jesus, would your faith be shaken? If it could be 100% confirmed it's Jesus.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is not even worthy of consideration,
a common deception (and temptation) of the enemy of life.
YHWH says not to get entangled in such - it causes little ones to stumble and may cause some (actually many) to lose their faith (or chance at faith in Y'SHUA) ,
exactly
as has happened often in the past, for multitudes.

As it is now, it may be denial, but look at it this way and answer honestly, don't just try to dodge the question:

IF a body was found, and IF it was somehow proven to be Jesus, would your faith be shaken? If it could be 100% confirmed it's Jesus.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

2 Timothy 2:4 - Bible Gateway
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2 Timothy 2:4
A soldier wants to please his commanding officer, so he does not spend any time on activities that are not a part of his duty.


Hebrews 12:18-29New International Version (NIV)
The Mountain of Fear and the Mountain of Joy

18 You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm; 19 to a trumpet blast or to such a voice speaking words that those who heard it begged that no further word be spoken to them, 20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.”[a] 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”

22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,

You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks.

If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven?

 

[CrystalDragon]

This is not even worthy of consideration,
a common deception (and temptation) of the enemy of life.
YHWH says not to get entangled in such - it causes little ones to stumble and may cause some (actually many) to lose their faith (or chance at faith in Y'SHUA) ,
exactly
as has happened often in the past, for multitudes.

Asking questions and entreating hypotheticals are worth considering, as it shows what's close to truth. If asking questions is considered a way to temptation, that's worthy of inquiry if not suspicion. Questions lead to answers, and the only reason to be afraid of questions is because you're afraid of what the answers will be.

 

[Radagast]

Apparently some archaeologists found His original burial place in the Holy Sepulcher

The church of the Holy Sepulchre was built over that burial place. Hence the name. Nothing was "found" -- it was just that sheets of marble placed over the burial place were temporarily removed.

and they raised the possibility of His body be found

There's an excellent movie about that:

 

[South Bound]

I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to post this. I'm sorry too if this thread is offensive.

A portuguese priest was interviewed about this today. Apparently some archaeologists found His original burial place in the Holy Sepulcher and they raised the possibility of His body be found.

He said that this would not shake his faith because to him, "Ressurrection was above the idea of revival of the body. But surely it would shake the faith of millions of Christians because the Church official position is that Ressurrection is the reanimation of the body."

I'm amazed he claimed this because it's not only a claim from the church, the gospels are clear that Jesus raised in body. (the tomb was empty). Like Paul wrote, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

I even know people who say it would be a good thing because it would prove Jesus existed!

So if this happened (I don't believe it will) would it shake your faith? Would this make any difference?

Without the resurrection there is no faith to shake.

Christ was raised for four reasons:

1. To show that God accepted His sacrifice

2. To show Christ's mastery over sin and death

3. To be a testimony to us that if God raised Christ from the dead that He will likewise raise us up on the last day

4. To fulfill prophecy

No resurrection would effectively be the end of Christianity and unravel everything that came before it.God has promised that we will be raised and that our hope is in Christ and His resurrection. God will not break a promise or leave us without hope.

Stories like this come out every couple of years but I wouldn't put much faith in it, no pun intended. It would be next to impossible to know which tomb was Joseph's and even if they did, how would they be able to identify or distinguish Christ's body from those of Joseph's family members.

So we're talking about a claim based on nothing but speculation vs the Biblical account which contains eyewitness testimony, not to mention the testimony of the Roman guards.

The longer I live and the more I study the Bible, the more convinced I am convinced that it is the inspired, inerrant, revealed Word of God.

 

[Eryk]

It would cause huge problems. If the body had been found at the beginning, it wouldn't have been a deal-breaker, theologically. Most Christians believe in a general resurrection at the end of history when all the dead will be resurrected with bodies (according to the Fourth Lateran Council). Jesus, as a human being, could receive his body at that time with everyone else. But that's not what we have in the New Testament and two millennia of Christian teaching. And what we have is a lot more inspiring.

Could there have been no belief in a bodily resurrection? Christianity would not have been historically grounded in eye-witness testimonies of an objective, physical presence. It would have been another esoteric mystery-cult in the Roman empire and it would have died out with the others. But Christianity had its origins in rabbinic Judaism. There would have been some kind of belief in physical resurrection in any version of the New Testament.

Personally, it would be very hard for me if the resurrection of Jesus were disproven. Christianity isn't a set of teachings. Christianity is Jesus. Jesus himself is the living image of God, displaying the power of God by being physically alive after physical death. This resurrection is not an ornamental doctrine. There is nothing in Christianity without it. I assume the resurrection is historically true.
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[yeshuaslavejeff]

Not at all, no.
YHWH and Y'SHUA said "guard your heart" and
"take care what you listen to"
and
avoid things that are of other [false] religions, or the origin is of demons or even just the "thinking like a man" as Y'SHUA STRONGLY REBUKED PETER for, remember ?

When something has been used to deceive billions of people,
when a well is salt water and not sweet water,
it is best not to ever drink from it.

Asking questions and entreating hypotheticals are worth considering, as it shows what's close to truth. If asking questions is considered a way to temptation, that's worthy of inquiry if not suspicion. Questions lead to answers, and the only reason to be afraid of questions is because you're afraid of what the answers will be.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven?

 

[Arthra]

portuguese priest was interviewed about this today. Apparently some archaeologists found His original burial place in the Holy Sepulcher and they raised the possibility of His body be found.

He said that this would not shake his faith because to him, "Ressurrection was above the idea of revival of the body. But surely it would shake the faith of millions of Christians because the Church official position is that Ressurrection is the reanimation of the body."

We really don't know where the body of Jesus was buried for a couple of good reasons...
The Jewish Christians who we could say were closest to Jesus in their culture, language were few and were persecuted by their fellow Jews.. Later Helenized Jews who became Christian had few links to the Jewish Christians. Greek Christians were even more distant from Jewish Christians and called them Judaizers for following Jewish customs. Jerusalem was largely destroyed around 71 AD and Jews were not permitted in Aelia Capitolina the city rebuilt by the Romans for centuries.

The Baha'i view is that the resurrection of Jesus was spiritual not physical.

 

[Noxot]

I would say that I agree with the priest in the OP. all things that are true are of God and so i don't need to follow after human interpretation of the truths God gave to us, I need only cling to God and I shall be free and happy.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Not at all, no.
YHWH and Y'SHUA said "guard your heart" and
"take care what you listen to"
and
avoid things that are of other [false] religions, or the origin is of demons or even just the "thinking like a man" as Y'SHUA STRONGLY REBUKED PETER for, remember ?

When something has been used to deceive billions of people,
when a well is salt water and not sweet water,
it is best not to ever drink from it.

To go off of your analogy, if you just think the water is salty because you've been told it's salty, rather than finding the truth out for yourself, then you're just following the orders of others and try to dodge any potential threats to how you currently see things. People are generally afraid of being told that their worldview is wrong, so they hide from anything to the contrary, or they fear they'll be punished for investigation. A system that holds its truths based around fear says something. If you're lead to fear punishment from asking questions, then maybe there's a reason they don't want you asking questions.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

To go off of your analogy, if you just think the water is salty because you've been told it's salty, rather than finding the truth out for yourself, then you're just following the orders of others and try to dodge any potential threats to how you currently see things.

We [Ecclesia] listen to the voice of the SHEPHERD Y'SHUA MESSIAH,
not
to those "others" you might want to listen to or not listen to.

HE speaks with HIS SHEEP [we, Ecclesia] ,
and protects us and warns us
about the salt water sources, the pagan sources, the poison sources,
and
HIS WORD LIKEWISE warns NOT TO dabble in darkness
but rather to expose it wherever it is.

 

[CrystalDragon]

We [Ecclesia] listen to the voice of the SHEPHERD Y'SHUA MESSIAH,
not
to those "others" you might want to listen to or not listen to.

HE speaks with HIS SHEEP [we, Ecclesia] ,
and protects us and warns us
about the salt water sources, the pagan sources, the poison sources,
and
HIS WORD LIKEWISE warns NOT TO dabble in darkness
but rather to expose it wherever it is.

How are we supposed to expose it if we aren't sure what it is? It's like two separate schools of thought, or even teams, pitted against each other. One person from Group A, let's call her Artis (Latin for "knowledge" or "character" because I like Latin) is told by the leader of Group A not to get involved with Group B, and that everything Group A does is good and correct. Artis then comes across aspects of Group A's traits that seem contrary to the completely pure and good philosophy she was raised to believe, finding a few parts that confuse and disturb her. When confronting another member of Group A about it, she is told that she shouldn't ask questions or the leader of Group A will punish her. But Artis is becoming more convinced that Group A is trying to keep her from discovering what the truth is and others are just dodging it.

In this scenario, doesn't someone like Artis have a right to know?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You're not supposed to expose anything if you don't know what it is.

Once you know, then you expose it as YHWH and HIS WORD AGREE.
(and a lot of people you thought were your friends will turn vicious on you, even family can be your worse enemies , exactly as Y'SHUA says) ..

How are we supposed to expose it if we aren't sure what it is?

 

[CrystalDragon]

You're not supposed to expose anything if you don't know what it is.

Once you know, then you expose it as YHWH and HIS WORD AGREE.
(and a lot of people you thought were your friends will turn vicious on you, even family can be your worse enemies , exactly as Y'SHUA says) ..

If people "never exposed anything if they didn't know what it was", then society as a whole would never progress. No one would ever be curious, no one would ever seek more, no one would ever wonder about the world.

And you only addressed that one first line of my post. I know that the rest was a hypothetical scenario, but it relates directly to the topic of questioning things at hand.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

When YHWH shows you that something is evil, wrong, or just without any merit,
you can expose it.
Society as a whole has never progressed, it is evil, wrong and without any merit.
But that's a different ball park altogether.

"Exposing something" is telling the TRUTH about it, as YHWH reveals the TRUTH.
You don't have to and should not study something you know is wrong or evil.... just like the nazis in germany or the witchdoctors in anyplace -- they are known evil, and not
appropriate conversation amongst ecclesia [saved, born again believers taught by and listening to Y'SHUA the SHEPHERD] .

If people "never exposed anything if they didn't know what it was", then society as a whole would never progress.

 

[Radagast]

There's an excellent movie about that:

The movie The Body shows a whole range of different reactions from different people to what appears to be the finding of the bones of Jesus.