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Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

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And "no" God did not say in Is 56 that "All nations must live in Israel" before they can honor their parents or keep the 7th day Sabbath.

Is 56
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

They were still to have nations - but they were to worship the one true God.

LoL, You're spreading old news.......

Your response to the quote of scripture -- is instructive for the unbiased objective readers of the text.

Anyone with a thorough understanding of scriptures knows that you're selling the Old Covenant and rejecting the more glorious (New) Covenant.

Until they actually "read" the New Covenant in Jer 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-10 and see how I have repeatedly held this forward as the text that debunks all the "war against God's commandments" and "war against God's Law" posts we have on the board because it is the NEW Covenant that says "I will write My LAWs on their heart and on their mind".
 
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And "no" God did not say in Is 56 that "All nations must live in Israel" before they can honor their parents or keep the 7th day Sabbath.

Is 56
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

They were still to have nations - but they were to worship the one true God.



Your response to the quote of scripture -- is instructive for the unbiased objective readers of the text.



Until they actually "read" the New Covenant in Jer 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-10 and see how I have repeatedly held this forward as the text that debunks all the "war against God's commandments" and "war against God's Law" posts we have on the board because it is the NEW Covenant that says "I will write My LAWs on their heart and on their mind".
Your argument requires ignoring the first 2/3 of the sentence.

bugkiller
 
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And "no" God did not say in Is 56 that "All nations must live in Israel" before they can honor their parents or keep the 7th day Sabbath.

Is 56
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

They were still to have nations - but they were to worship the one true God.
We've gone over Isaiah 56 before. Have you forgotten so soon? Let's break it down one verse at a time, since you are having difficulty.

Verse 6 speaks about CONVERTS. Why are you surprised that converts would keep the sabbath, every one of them?

6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Do you think that all gentiles will "take hold of God's covenant?" That they will separate wool and linen? That they will refrain from sex with their wives for half the month?
 
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And "no" God did not say in Is 56 that "All nations must live in Israel" before they can honor their parents or keep the 7th day Sabbath.

Is 56
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

They were still to have nations - but they were to worship the one true God.

We've gone over Isaiah 56 before.

And did you "delete it" when we went over it? Is that why you express surprise to still see it?

Recall that "the point" of it was to SHOW the Is 66:23 and Mark 2:27 "ALL MANKIND" scope of the Sabbath is far beyond "just Jews" - as even your own Pope admits - in Dies Domini.


Verse 6 speaks about CONVERTS. Why are you surprised that converts would keep the sabbath,

How does it "help your Just-Jews not Gentiles" arguments. ALL NATIONS are not "nations of Jews".

To worship God is not to be living in Israel - one can worship the true God and read the real Bible- just as I do -- without living in Israel.

I think we all can see that this is not helping your "Just-jews" case.

Are you 'switching' to "Just worshipers of God"???

6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Do you think that all gentiles will "take hold of God's covenant?" That they will separate wool and linen?

Sadly you are "mistaken again".

No gentile was required to be circumcised in the OT and even the Jews were not required at all 7 of the annual feasts. Only 3 were mandatory for Jews.

"All nations" does not mean "one nation".

in Christ,

Bob
 
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I'm sympathetic to this argument. But keeping the Sabbath is a ritual observance, not a moral observance.

Until you read the actual Bible.

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4.

Until you read your own Catholic Catechism.

Until you read your own Pope's statement on the TEN Commandments - all TEN being moral law binding on all mankind.

AT the very least when you contradict the Bible - you should go for an argument that your own denomination does not refute.
 
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Until you read the actual Bible.

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4.

Until you read your own Catholic Catechism.

Until you read your own Pope's statement on the TEN Commandments - all TEN being moral law binding on all mankind.

AT the very least when you contradict the Bible - you should go for an argument that your own denomination does not refute.
You are so quick to quote or paraphrase what we in Babylon say or believe and then denounce us as anti Christ. You post is lots of hot air and no substance.

What does "sin is transgression of the law" have anything to do with making ritual into moral? Sabbath, feast days and new moons were rituals, just like lighting candles, wearing the pagan tie, or celebrating Christmas. All are ritual. Moral has to do with how we treat our God and our fellow man. You should know that because it is a 101 study. We don't have to be rocket scientists to understand that. Of course it will not make any difference to you because you want to believe something else and there will be some that will follow your falsehood blindly.
 
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How does it "help your Just-Jews not Gentiles" arguments. ALL NATIONS are not "nations of Jews".
"my house shall be a house of prayer for all nations" doesn't speak of keeping the Sabbath. You are blurring the verses and their specifications.
 
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Is 56
“Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

"my house shall be a house of prayer for all nations" doesn't speak of keeping the Sabbath. You are blurring the verses and their specifications.

Your argument is "with the text".

so also in the case of Is 66:23
"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"
 
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You are so quick to quote or paraphrase what we in Babylon say or believe and then denounce us as anti Christ.
This one is wide open, so I'll leave it alone...

What does "sin is transgression of the law" have anything to do with making ritual into moral? Sabbath, feast days and new moons were rituals, just like lighting candles, wearing the pagan tie, or celebrating Christmas. All are ritual. Moral has to do with how we treat our God and our fellow man. You should know that because it is a 101 study. We don't have to be rocket scientists to understand that. Of course it will not make any difference to you because you want to believe something else and there will be some that will follow your falsehood blindly.

Glad you brought this up Bob. You agree that the Decalogue is a record of God's moral Laws, right? Oh, wait, I forgot, the 4th somehow was put in there by mistake and God didn't have another set of stones handy to do a rewrite.... must have been really embarrassing for Him, He's usually so precise on these things. Are you sure that there was only one typo? Could there maybe be others that aren't supposed to be on the list. I'm partial to wanting nice things that I see others have... God would want me to have nice things wouldn't He Bob? I think we have found another one to eliminate from the list as surely God wouldn't want to deprive me of some nice stuff, right?
 
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I dont agree with Bob on his views at times, but many of the sources he proved, like it or not can be easily proven over and over if you do unbiased research.

Rome was in charge and Rome made the rules, so they did what they saw fit and forced it on others. The Sabbath is still Saturday, but Sunday worship was something that was going on before Constantine, but later on was literally showed down peoples throats with threats of death of anyone caught keeping the Sabbath holy and not Sunday.
Anyone notice that the Denari is mentioned in Revelation?
Is that referring to the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem or future....just wondering

John 11:48
"If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him.
And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away of us and the Place and the Nation

[Reve 6:6/14:8]

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying:
"choinex of grain/wheat for a denari and three choinex of barleys for a denari,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

*snip*
The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.
At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival and the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers...........

1220. denarion of Latin origin; a denarius (or ten asses):--pence, penny(-worth).
AV - penny 9, pence 5, pennyworth 2; 16 denarius = "containing ten"
1) A Roman silver coin in NT time. It took its name from it being equal to ten "asses", a number after 217 B.C. increased to sixteen (about 3.898 grams or .1375 oz.). It was the principal silver coin of the Roman empire.....



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Here is an intelligent, short and to the point video about Sunday worship's origin.

I do not succumb to Catholic beliefs and practices. I do my best to report historical truths. My goal is to present that the foundational day of worship was established on biblical arguments made thousands of years ago.


SDA claim to use the Catechism to show what Catholics believe. Are they telling the truth about what Catholics believe? It's should obvious to them how Sunday is not kept as a 24hr Sabbath as describe in the law.

Here is a video from the horses mouth. A catholic bishop admits along with every catechism that the RCC changed the sabbath to SUNday.

 
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Here is a video from the horses mouth. A catholic bishop admits along with every catechism that the RCC changed the sabbath to SUNday.
What the Catholic Church did, and did in the first century, was to move the SOLEMNITY of the Sabbath (Saturday) to the Lord's Day (Sunday). According to the Catholic Church, the Sabbath is STILL Friday night Sundown til Saturday night sundown, but there are times we figuratively speak of Sunday as Sabbath because it carries that Solemnity.

"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
 
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Actually, the Catholic Church could not have changed the Sabbath to Sunday because, as SDA theologians assert, the Catholic Church came long after the change was made.

It has been interesting to me to follow this thread and see no mention whatsoever of the Eastern Orthodox Churches and their role in this vast conspiracy to co-opt God's church for their nefarious ends.
 
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What the Catholic Church did, and did in the first century, was to move the SOLEMNITY of the Sabbath (Saturday) .

There you have the change in the Sabbath commandment - arguing that God's authority - that obligates mankind to observe the commandment - is changed to week-day-1

"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.

Some claim that all christians are commanded by God to keep the seventh day holy. That is not true.

Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course


Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2:1-4
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens
Exodus 20:11
 
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And yet --

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!

Here Pope John Paul argues two points in his document "Dies Domini"

1. That the TEN Commandments (all TEN... not just NINE ) still remain. What does that mean about the SABBATH Commandment? gone - or remains? or bent to point to??

2. In the second quote John Paul II Refers to the OT Sabbath as the LORD's Day -

Pope John Paul II

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!! In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a defining and indelible expression of our relationship to God, announced and expounded by biblical revelations.

Dies Domini

From the Sabbath to Sunday

18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning, they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf. Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi!


What the Catholic Church did, and did in the first century, was to move the SOLEMNITY of the Sabbath (Saturday) .
=============================================

The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"
we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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In these quotes we see "TEN Commandments" and "DECALOGUE" not "630"

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.


these Catholic Catechism statements seem to support what John Paul II and what "The Faith Explained" have said in their two points above --

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29

(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.


Key question:

In legal terms - what does it mean to change one of the TEN commandments in the law - so that its obligation, its authority, its observance is now transferred to some other day - other than the one as given in that Command??
 
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Here is an intelligent, short and to the point video about Sunday worship's origin.

I do not succumb to Catholic beliefs and practices. I do my best to report historical truths. My goal is to present that the foundational day of worship was established on biblical arguments made thousands of years ago.


SDA claim to use the Catechism to show what Catholics believe. Are they telling the truth about what Catholics believe? It's should obvious to them how Sunday is not kept as a 24hr Sabbath as describe in the law.

Why is the Sabbath so important? Is it better than other days of the week?
 
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Why is the Sabbath so important? Is it better than other days of the week?

Landon welcome to the discussion!

That is a fair question - a better one might be
"why does the Word of God matter"?
- or "Does the Word of God say the 7th day of the week is the Sabbath and that we should pay attention to this detail?".

Let's look at that last question ---

"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.

In the Bible we find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course


Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2:1-4
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens
Exodus 20:11
 
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And yet --

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!

Here Pope John Paul argues two points in his document "Dies Domini"

1. That the TEN Commandments (all TEN... not just NINE ) still remain. What does that mean about the SABBATH Commandment? gone - or remains? or bent to point to??

2. In the second quote John Paul II Refers to the OT Sabbath as the LORD's Day -

Pope John Paul II

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!! In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a defining and indelible expression of our relationship to God, announced and expounded by biblical revelations.

Dies Domini

From the Sabbath to Sunday

18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning, they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf. Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi!



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The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

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we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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In these quotes we see "TEN Commandments" and "DECALOGUE" not "630"

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.


these Catholic Catechism statements seem to support what John Paul II and what "The Faith Explained" have said in their two points above --

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29

(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.


Key question:

In legal terms - what does it mean to change one of the TEN commandments in the law - so that its obligation, its authority, its observance is now transferred to some other day - other than the one as given in that Command??

If one compares the ten commandments in the catechism with the ten commandments in Exodus 20 they will find that they are far different. The third commandment according to the catechism is "remember the sabbath day to keep it holy." I just look at some of the newer catechisms and they changed it to read differently. Here is geitermen's catechism where they admit to changing the day.

https://archive.org/details/convertscatechis00geie

In their ten commandments, in all the catechisms the second commandment is gone. The tenth is broken into two. You can see that in this little catechism in the chapter "the ten commandments." What is really interesting is their boldness to print the immaculate conception. While I was catholic and went to catechism class every Wednesday evening they did not teach the questionable issues.

Here is the Baltimore catechism.It is more in depth than geiterman's. You might want to bookmark these and skim through the index and read about the sacrifice of the mass, along with the commandments. Very interesting indeed.

http://www.boston-catholic-journal.com/baltimore_catechism.pdf
 
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