Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

[MoreCoffee]

Quotes from personal blogs are not always reliable. Try reliable sources and you'll do better.

If you want to quote Catholic teaching then quote what the Catholic Church actually teaches rather than personal opinions and blogs.

 

[SAAN]

I dont agree with Bob on his views at times, but many of the sources he proved, like it or not can be easily proven over and over if you do unbiased research.

Rome was in charge and Rome made the rules, so they did what they saw fit and forced it on others. The Sabbath is still Saturday, but Sunday worship was something that was going on before Constantine, but later on was literally showed down peoples throats with threats of death of anyone caught keeping the Sabbath holy and not Sunday.

 

[BobRyan]

I dont agree with Bob on his views at times, but many of the sources he proved, like it or not can be easily proven over and over if you do unbiased research.

Rome was in charge and Rome made the rules, so they did what they saw fit and forced it on others. The Sabbath is still Saturday, but Sunday worship was something that was going on before Constantine, but later on was literally showed down peoples throats with threats of death of anyone caught keeping the Sabbath holy and not Sunday.

Indeed - no way to redefine all Catholic sources as "personal blogs"

 

[BobRyan]

The OP is a Catholic response to your arguments.

Then attention to the historic documents and facts posted would have been a great way to do it.

Too bad the OP did not do it - nor did the video.

Why should we trust a SDA to tell us about what other denomination's beliefs?

I gave you the source documents and links -- look them up.

Just as we had to go to your link for your video.

The point remains.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Notice that "opposition" to the facts posted does not consist of taking any one of them and showing them to be in any way flawed - rather it is to turn from all of them -- wishing them away because "an SDA posted those facts".

That is not the compelling solution that many readers look for.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[listed]

I dont agree with Bob on his views at times, but many of the sources he proved, like it or not can be easily proven over and over if you do unbiased research.

Rome was in charge and Rome made the rules, so they did what they saw fit and forced it on others. The Sabbath is still Saturday, but Sunday worship was something that was going on before Constantine, but later on was literally showed down peoples throats with threats of death of anyone caught keeping the Sabbath holy and not Sunday.

Is the discussion about the false claims of religion? Then why is it such a problem when others quote from the SDA sources, especially official sites run and or approved by the SDA organization?

Is it not the pot calling the kettle black? Is that not hypocrisy? Is that not tearing down another to build oneself up? If the pot is also black, how does that make it any better? Do we not make a relationship with God nothing but foolishness?

 

[Cribstyl]

I dont agree with Bob on his views at times, but many of the sources he proved, like it or not can be easily proven over and over if you do unbiased research.

Rome was in charge and Rome made the rules, so they did what they saw fit and forced it on others. The Sabbath is still Saturday, but Sunday worship was something that was going on before Constantine, but later on was literally showed down peoples throats with threats of death of anyone caught keeping the Sabbath holy and not Sunday.

Which of the arguments made in the OP video do you find inaccurate?
We see Bob's arguments in almost every thread and including his signature.
Why not consider catholic voices to answer some questions?


Who changed the Sabbath? | Catholicism and Adventism

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Who changed the Sabbath?


July 23, 2006
By Stephen Korsman

Adventists often make the claim that Catholicism claims to have changed the Sabbath. They then cite their proof – unofficial texts, usually newspaper quotes, statements that disagree with the official Catholic position. This is a classic Adventist ploy. I’ve discussed it further here. Without that, Adventism can’t pinpoint which pope they claim changed the Sabbath, as I’ve pointed out here.

Usually they quote statements from newspapers or other texts that would never be considered to be an official source of Catholic teaching, such as a papal encyclical or a document from an ecumenical council. Sometimes the quotes are downright inaccurate, while sometimes they are just quoted for their ability to be misinterpreted. It must be remembered that we believe that the Apostles were the first Catholic leaders, and that when someone says “The Catholic Church instituted Sunday observance” it needs to be understood in that context – that we believe that it was the Catholic Church, in the persons of the Apostles, that instituted Sunday observance.

Whether or not you agree with the Catholic view on the Apostles, or the Catholic view of how Sunday observance began, understanding such statements in the context of Catholic teaching is the only honest way to interpret them. That, however, is too inconvenient for many Adventists, who need to use it as evidence to try to convince Sunday-keeping Protestants that Sunday is just a Catholic plot.

Someone on alt.religion.christian.adventist just had to get rid of all his newspaper clipping quotes, and cut his evidence down to books with the title “catechism” in them. But even these are not official statements of the Catholic Church – the one below is merely a view put forth by the Diocese of New York in 1876, and the other doesn’t have a date or location given. Neither is an official statement from Rome.

Here is an example of a text that should be interpreted as being the Catholic Church in the persons of the Apostles –


Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
Source: A Doctrinal Catechism by Stephen Keenan, Imprimatur by John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York, Copyright 1876 by T. W. Strong, p. 174.

It should be noted that the Catholic Church does believe it has such authority, and that this authority was demonstrated in Acts 15. There, the Apostles, without a previous command from Jesus, and without an angel appearing to explain things, debated circumcision and similar Jewish issues, and set limits on what was necessary. They exercised very real authority in making that decision, and Catholicism believes that that authority was not just a temporary thing. But whether or not you believe what the Catholic Church teaches, don’t lose sight of the point of the exercise – demonstrating what the Catholic Church actually teaches, versus what Adventists claim it teaches.

Here is an example of a text that is in error, contrary to historical evidence, and the official view of the Catholic Church (see below for quotes of official – really official, not the Adventist type of official – statements on this issue) –


Question – Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer – Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question – Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer – We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”
The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50,3rd ed.

Our friend on alt.religion.christian.adventist has been arguing back and forth about what Catholicism really teaches. On several issues now, each time strong biblical evidence comes up against his position, he – and some others – change their tactics and try to claim that I don’t know what Catholicism teaches.

 

[listed]

Notice that "opposition" to the facts posted does not consist of taking any one of them and showing them to be in any way flawed - rather it is to turn from all of them -- wishing them away because "an SDA posted those facts".

That is not the compelling solution that many readers look for.

in Christ,

Bob

Things that are not true are not facts. They sure are presented as facts. Things that can be proven contrary to so called facts are not facts, but lies for manipulative purposes. Does not matter who presents them. We move from 1 deception to another.

 

[Cribstyl]

POINT: SDA are claiming to be the experts on what other Churches believe.
That debate is to keep them from proving what SDA actually believe.

 

[SAAN]

Which of the arguments made in the OP video do you find inaccurate?
We see Bob's arguments in almost every thread and including his signature.
Why not consider catholic voices to answer some questions?


Who changed the Sabbath? | Catholicism and Adventism

Exert.........
Who changed the Sabbath?


July 23, 2006
By Stephen Korsman

Adventists often make the claim that Catholicism claims to have changed the Sabbath. They then cite their proof – unofficial texts, usually newspaper quotes, statements that disagree with the official Catholic position. This is a classic Adventist ploy. I’ve discussed it further here. Without that, Adventism can’t pinpoint which pope they claim changed the Sabbath, as I’ve pointed out here.

Usually they quote statements from newspapers or other texts that would never be considered to be an official source of Catholic teaching, such as a papal encyclical or a document from an ecumenical council. Sometimes the quotes are downright inaccurate, while sometimes they are just quoted for their ability to be misinterpreted. It must be remembered that we believe that the Apostles were the first Catholic leaders, and that when someone says “The Catholic Church instituted Sunday observance” it needs to be understood in that context – that we believe that it was the Catholic Church, in the persons of the Apostles, that instituted Sunday observance.

Whether or not you agree with the Catholic view on the Apostles, or the Catholic view of how Sunday observance began, understanding such statements in the context of Catholic teaching is the only honest way to interpret them. That, however, is too inconvenient for many Adventists, who need to use it as evidence to try to convince Sunday-keeping Protestants that Sunday is just a Catholic plot.

Someone on alt.religion.christian.adventist just had to get rid of all his newspaper clipping quotes, and cut his evidence down to books with the title “catechism” in them. But even these are not official statements of the Catholic Church – the one below is merely a view put forth by the Diocese of New York in 1876, and the other doesn’t have a date or location given. Neither is an official statement from Rome.

Here is an example of a text that should be interpreted as being the Catholic Church in the persons of the Apostles –


Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
Source: A Doctrinal Catechism by Stephen Keenan, Imprimatur by John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York, Copyright 1876 by T. W. Strong, p. 174.

It should be noted that the Catholic Church does believe it has such authority, and that this authority was demonstrated in Acts 15. There, the Apostles, without a previous command from Jesus, and without an angel appearing to explain things, debated circumcision and similar Jewish issues, and set limits on what was necessary. They exercised very real authority in making that decision, and Catholicism believes that that authority was not just a temporary thing. But whether or not you believe what the Catholic Church teaches, don’t lose sight of the point of the exercise – demonstrating what the Catholic Church actually teaches, versus what Adventists claim it teaches.

Here is an example of a text that is in error, contrary to historical evidence, and the official view of the Catholic Church (see below for quotes of official – really official, not the Adventist type of official – statements on this issue) –


Question – Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer – Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question – Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer – We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”
The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50,3rd ed.

Our friend on alt.religion.christian.adventist has been arguing back and forth about what Catholicism really teaches. On several issues now, each time strong biblical evidence comes up against his position, he – and some others – change their tactics and try to claim that I don’t know what Catholicism teaches.

Ill watch the video in a few when I get by a PC instead of on my phone. But in regards to catholic voices to answer questions, in the last 3-5 yrs of studying I have realized Catholic voices also give very wrong answers to many issues as well.

There are Catholic answers stating Jesus was in fact born on December 25th, how red Easter eggs came about rather than the true origin of them, how it is acceptable to pray to Mary instead of Jesus like he commanded, and many many more inaccuracies to issues that people raise, but they give the Catholic answers to instead of the biblical answer to the matter.

I do realize SDA's provide many inaccurate answers to things as well, so it goes both ways at times.

 

[listed]

Which of the arguments made in the OP video do you find inaccurate?
We see Bob's arguments in almost every thread and including his signature.
Why not consider catholic voices to answer some questions?


Who changed the Sabbath? | Catholicism and Adventism

Exert.........
Who changed the Sabbath?


July 23, 2006
By Stephen Korsman

Adventists often make the claim that Catholicism claims to have changed the Sabbath. They then cite their proof – unofficial texts, usually newspaper quotes, statements that disagree with the official Catholic position. This is a classic Adventist ploy. I’ve discussed it further here. Without that, Adventism can’t pinpoint which pope they claim changed the Sabbath, as I’ve pointed out here.

Usually they quote statements from newspapers or other texts that would never be considered to be an official source of Catholic teaching, such as a papal encyclical or a document from an ecumenical council. Sometimes the quotes are downright inaccurate, while sometimes they are just quoted for their ability to be misinterpreted. It must be remembered that we believe that the Apostles were the first Catholic leaders, and that when someone says “The Catholic Church instituted Sunday observance” it needs to be understood in that context – that we believe that it was the Catholic Church, in the persons of the Apostles, that instituted Sunday observance.

Whether or not you agree with the Catholic view on the Apostles, or the Catholic view of how Sunday observance began, understanding such statements in the context of Catholic teaching is the only honest way to interpret them. That, however, is too inconvenient for many Adventists, who need to use it as evidence to try to convince Sunday-keeping Protestants that Sunday is just a Catholic plot.

Someone on alt.religion.christian.adventist just had to get rid of all his newspaper clipping quotes, and cut his evidence down to books with the title “catechism” in them. But even these are not official statements of the Catholic Church – the one below is merely a view put forth by the Diocese of New York in 1876, and the other doesn’t have a date or location given. Neither is an official statement from Rome.

Here is an example of a text that should be interpreted as being the Catholic Church in the persons of the Apostles –


Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
Source: A Doctrinal Catechism by Stephen Keenan, Imprimatur by John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York, Copyright 1876 by T. W. Strong, p. 174.

It should be noted that the Catholic Church does believe it has such authority, and that this authority was demonstrated in Acts 15. There, the Apostles, without a previous command from Jesus, and without an angel appearing to explain things, debated circumcision and similar Jewish issues, and set limits on what was necessary. They exercised very real authority in making that decision, and Catholicism believes that that authority was not just a temporary thing. But whether or not you believe what the Catholic Church teaches, don’t lose sight of the point of the exercise – demonstrating what the Catholic Church actually teaches, versus what Adventists claim it teaches.

Here is an example of a text that is in error, contrary to historical evidence, and the official view of the Catholic Church (see below for quotes of official – really official, not the Adventist type of official – statements on this issue) –


Question – Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer – Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question – Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer – We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”
The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50,3rd ed.

Our friend on alt.religion.christian.adventist has been arguing back and forth about what Catholicism really teaches. On several issues now, each time strong biblical evidence comes up against his position, he – and some others – change their tactics and try to claim that I don’t know what Catholicism teaches.

My comment shall be restricted to the last paragraph of the quote.

We see that same exact behavior here. It is not about honest discussion but the preaching and proselyting attempts by them. Proselyting is forbidden by the rules here. The administration does not wish to see this.

 

[listed]

POINT: SDA are claiming to be the experts on what other Churches believe.
That debate is to keep them from proving what SDA actually believe.

Or even honestly stating what they actually believe. One finds out after they are drawn in. Many are leaving their organization. I wonder what the honest truth is about their official numbers. I do not think the numbers reflect the actual participants.

 

[Cribstyl]

Ill watch the video in a few when I get by a PC instead of on my phone. But in regards to catholic voices to answer questions, in the last 3-5 yrs of studying I have realized Catholic voices also give very wrong answers to many issues as well.

There are Catholic answers stating Jesus was in fact born on December 25th, how red Easter eggs came about rather than the true origin of them, how it is acceptable to pray to Mary instead of Jesus like he commanded, and many many more inaccuracies to issues that people raise, but they give the Catholic answers to instead of the biblical answer to the matter.

I do realize SDA's provide many inaccurate answers to things as well, so it goes both ways at times.

Herein lies part of the noise. We're asking about who changed the Sabbath, but you're talking about Christmas, Easter eggs, praying to Mary.........

 

[listed]

Herein lies part of the noise. We're asking about who changed the Sabbath, but you're talking about Christmas, Easter eggs, praying to Mary.........

Did not take long to get actual live current evidence.

 

[Cribstyl]

Good video clip.

It isn't Catholics who changed the Sabbath. The Sabbath day has never changed but its significance as a sign and a type of things to come has come to an end, as it should, because the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled it. Christ himself is our rest and his works as well as his passion, resurrection, and ascension are the works that please God so that we, who are his body, need not work to please God but may rest in the completed work of our Lord Jesus Christ. Thus keeping days is no longer a law under which we must labour but rather keeping the Lord's day is a joyous celebration in remembrance of the day on which Jesus Christ our Lord rose from the grave and brought life and immortality to light. We honour the Lord on his day not as a matter of servitude but as sons and daughters rejoicing in the joy of our Lord.

It's very simple, really, Christ has risen and our sins are forgiven. If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. That's the message of the gospel in a nutshell. Of course there is more, much more, than mere forgiveness in Christ but there is definitely forgiveness in him. That is why we celebrate the Lord's day. It is the day we were objectively set free from bondage to sin.

You're a very knowledgeable and reasonable person, especially about what Catholic church believes.

 

[Cribstyl]

Are Catholics "SDA" the way some seem to have it??? Do these Catholic documents "not exist" or "exist only to be noticed by Seventh-day Adventists"???

For example Leo Trese in his book "The Faith Explained" -- commentary on the Baltimore Catechism after Vatican II - is he secretly "SDA"??



[FONT=&quot]The Faith Explained[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
====================begin short summary
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]changing the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord's day[/FONT][FONT=&quot] to Sunday[/FONT][FONT=&quot] was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name". [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]page 243

"Nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day From Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"

[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]====================================== begin expanded quote
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. (from "The Faith Explained" page 243[/FONT][FONT=&quot].))

"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]we know that in the O.T it was the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]seventh day[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of the week - the Sabbath day [/FONT][FONT=&quot]- which was [/FONT][FONT=&quot]observed as the Lord's day[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. that was [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the law as God gave it[/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT][FONT=&quot]'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day[/FONT][FONT=&quot].. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]church had the right to make such a law[/FONT][FONT=&quot] is evident[/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The reason for [/FONT][FONT=&quot]changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday[/FONT][FONT=&quot] lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday.[/FONT][FONT=&quot].that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church[/FONT]

Clue: The Catholic's points to apostolic precedence as to when the Lord's day was recognized. They cited the writings of the early church fathers that Sunday was kept by the early church.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You're a very knowledgeable and reasonable person, especially about what Catholic church believes.

It is good to expose errors in history and in claims about alleged Catholic teaching. The idea that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday is a myth. It is, however, true that worshipping God on Sunday and observing Sunday as a day of rest for free and slaves alike was promoted by the Catholic Church and the Church also promoted the freeing of slaves who were Christians. But these ideas originate in the gospels and the old testament so even though the Catholic Church promoted them they did not invent them.

Some claim that Sunday was first set aside for special treatment by emperor Constantine in the fourth century AD but this is clearly not true because first and second century Christians observed Sunday as special for the reasons given in my previous post. Saint Justin who was martyred by pagan Romans wrote these words about Christian worship in 150 AD, the middle of the second century, which is more than 150 years before Constantine's time as emperor:

Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians.

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.​

(click this link for the source at CCEL)

 

[BobRyan]

As a Messianic believer, I find the Roman Catholic's logic on this matter rather odd. I have no problem at all with meeting on a Sunday (or any other day), or even declaring Sundays or any other days holy. But I don't believe any man or church has the right to de-sanctify the seventh day. It is still the day God set apart for rest. (By the way I haven't been able to see the video that the OP posted). Shalom x

Even the RCC argues for the continued authority of the Sabbath Commandment as the quotes from RC sources have shown on this thread.

They just want it "bent" to point to week-day-1.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Are Catholics "SDA" the way some seem to have it??? Do these Catholic documents "not exist" or "exist only to be noticed by Seventh-day Adventists"???

For example Leo Trese in his book "The Faith Explained" -- commentary on the Baltimore Catechism after Vatican II - is he secretly "SDA"??



[FONT=&quot]The Faith Explained[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
====================begin short summary
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]changing the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord's day[/FONT][FONT=&quot] to Sunday[/FONT][FONT=&quot] was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name". [/FONT][FONT=&quot]
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]page 243

"Nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day From Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"

[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]====================================== begin expanded quote
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. (from "The Faith Explained" page 243[/FONT][FONT=&quot].))

"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]we know that in the O.T it was the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]seventh day[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of the week - the Sabbath day [/FONT][FONT=&quot]- which was [/FONT][FONT=&quot]observed as the Lord's day[/FONT][FONT=&quot]. that was [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the law as God gave it[/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT][FONT=&quot]'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day[/FONT][FONT=&quot].. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]church had the right to make such a law[/FONT][FONT=&quot] is evident[/FONT][FONT=&quot]...[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The reason for [/FONT][FONT=&quot]changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday[/FONT][FONT=&quot] lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday.[/FONT][FONT=&quot].that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church[/FONT]

Clue: The Catholic's points to apostolic precedence as to when the Lord's day was recognized. They cited the writings of the early church fathers that Sunday was kept by the early church.

They admit that there is no actual Bible command calling for it.. and in that they are right.

They admit that "sola scriptura" claiming non-Catholics have no basis at all for the Sabbath bent to week-day-1.

On those two points they are irrefutable.

But they have no support at all for their bent-sabbath argument.

And they condemn the "nine commandments" not a full decalogue as the only thing that remains. In fact they are arguing for the continued Sabbath Commandment - bent -- to week-day-1

As does D.L. Moody.

As does Baptist Confession of Faith

As does Westminster Confession of Faith.

They (The RCC) even argue for a "bent" Lord's Day -- starting out as 7thd day and then bent to week-day 1.

 

[Cribstyl]

It is good to expose errors in history and in claims about alleged Catholic teaching. The idea that the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday is a myth. It is, however, true that worshipping God on Sunday and observing Sunday as a day of rest for free and slaves alike was promoted by the Catholic Church and the Church also promoted the freeing of slaves who were Christians. But these ideas originate in the gospels and the old testament so even though the Catholic Church promoted them they did not invent them.

Some claim that Sunday was first set aside for special treatment by emperor Constantine in the fourth century AD but this is clearly not true because first and second century Christians observed Sunday as special for the reasons given in my previous post. Saint Justin who was martyred by pagan Romans wrote these words about Christian worship in 150 AD, the middle of the second century, which is more than 150 years before Constantine's time as emperor:

Chapter LXVII.—Weekly worship of the Christians.

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.​

(click this link for the source at CCEL)

Thanks.......
The foremost SDA expert aimed in his book to discredit the voice of Justin Martyr as being biased against the Sabbath.