The Rapture - 2020?

[Straightshot]

"- What of the 2,300 days from the sacrifices starting?
- What of the extra days of Daniel? (1,290, 1,335)"


Here is the answer

The 2300 days are evenings and mornings equal to 1150 24 hour days .... the additional 110 days of the total 1260 days are related to the completion of the setting up of the abomination of desolation .... this will all be cleansed by the ending of the second 1260 days decreed

The 1290 days is equal to the second 1260 days decreed plus an additional 30 days set out for the battle of Armageddon .... the Lord will appear upon the earth at the ending of the 1290 days

Then 45 days are set for the Lord to gather the mortal survivors of the tribulation and separate them, sheep [believing] from goat [unbelieving]

The mortal sheep will enter and populate the Lord's millennial kingdom upon the earth .... the mortal goats will be rejected

First of Israel [Isaiah 11; 27:12-13; Matthew 24:29-31]

And then of the Gentile nations [Matthew 25:31-46]

These gatherings are not resurrections of any

 

[Butch5]

Hi Butch, when Jesus was about to enter Jerusalem, knowing he would be rejected, he cursed a fig tree for not having fruit, although it was not the season. Which identifies the fig tree in the parable of the fig tree as Jerusalem.

There are some old testament verses that suggest the fig tree is Israel as well, but the combination of 1948 plus 70 years for a generation has already passed for the 70th week to have begun. So the only combination left is Jerusalem, 1967 plus 70 years. It could be more than 70 years, but unlikely.

What does 1948 have to do with the equation? Are you suggesting that this is a gathering of Israel?

I hear what you are saying. So if we can't be certain, how can we apply the Jubilee last trumpet to our times? In the parable of the fig tree, there is only one Jerusalem, and one year known - to this generation.

It's likely that the date of the crucifixion is not that far off if it is off. If you connect the two calendar via the resurrection it puts the next Jubilee year at 2036. Actually 2035 1/2. There are other signs that will let us know when the time is near and trumpet isn't blown on Yom Kippur in any year except the Jubilee year.

The problem is Paul did not clarify by what he meant by last trumpet, and whether he even meant it to be literal. Back in the day, when the children of Israel broke camp, the order to march was at the last trumpet. So Paul could have been speaking metaphorically (may not be the right word) to what the children of Israel did, and applied it to the church's last assignment here on earth to "come up hither".

I guess that is possible. However, when you look at all of the events that happened on feast days I think what I said is more probable. Jesus was crucified on the Passover, he was raised on First Fruits, the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, Jesus was born on Rosh Hashannah, He returns on Yom Kippur and Sukkot becomes the marriage supper of the Lamb. The last two haven't happened yet obviously.

There are things in end times bible prophecy that are more clear than others, so imo those have to be put in order with each other. The parable of the fig tree spoken by Jesus has way more clarity than the last trumpet spoken by Paul. Both are certainly true of course.

I'm still not sure how you're using the fig tree. I don't see any connection with 1948

 

[Douggg]

What does 1948 have to do with the equation? Are you suggesting that this is a gathering of Israel?

No, I was just making a comment that back before 2011, there was some theories
concerning the parable of the fig tree, that after 2011 those theories proved to be wrong.

Those theories were based on Israel being the fig tree. Since Israel became a nation again in 1948 add 70 years for a generation to get 2018 (Jesus returns before then). Going along with that theory, the 70th week was supposed to have started before 2011 ended, at the latest. It didn't happen. So that theory was a bust.

Israel is no longer possible to be the fig tree, but Jerusalem. There are however other end times prophecies regarding the rebirth of Israel as a single, undivided nation again, in Ezekiel 37. But that is separate from the parable of the fig tree.

I guess that is possible. However, when you look at all of the events that happened on feast days I think what I said is more probable. Jesus was crucified on the Passover, he was raised on First Fruits, the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, Jesus was born on Rosh Hashannah, He returns on Yom Kippur and Sukkot becomes the marriage supper of the Lamb. The last two haven't happened yet obviously.

The fall feasts coinciding is likely, but whether it is on a Jubilee year is a separate issue. 2036 is within the 2037 framework.

But 2036 would be not be an indication of the rapture/resurrection, imo, contrary to what you are trying to show. I think what you are trying to show is that the last trumpet of the Jubilee celebration (2036) is the last trumpet that Paul was speaking about regarding the changing from corruptible to incorruptible? But I don't see a post trib rapture as viable.

So I am saying that the last trumpet of the Jubilee celebration as the rapture signal - is a bust. Jesus may return in 2036 to coincide with the Jubilee celebration. But the rapture has to take place before then.

 

[Butch5]

No, I was just making a comment that back before 2011, there was some theories
concerning the parable of the fig tree, that after 2011 those theories proved to be wrong.

Those theories were based on Israel being the fig tree. Since Israel became a nation again in 1948 add 70 years for a generation to get 2018 (Jesus returns before then). Going along with that theory, the 70th week was supposed to have started before 2011 ended, at the latest. It didn't happen. So that theory was a bust.

Israel is no longer possible to be the fig tree, but Jerusalem. There are however other end times prophecies regarding the rebirth of Israel as a single, undivided nation again, in Ezekiel 37. But that is separate from the parable of the fig tree.

Would I be correct in drawing the conclusion that you don't see Ezekiel as the Resurrection?



[quoteThe fall feasts coinciding is likely, but whether it is on a Jubilee year is a separate issue. 2036 is within the 2037 framework.

But 2036 would be not be an indication of the rapture/resurrection, imo, contrary to what you are trying to show. I think what you are trying to show is that the last trumpet of the Jubilee celebration (2036) is the last trumpet that Paul was speaking about regarding the changing from corruptible to incorruptible? But I don't see a post trib rapture as viable.

So I am saying that the last trumpet of the Jubilee celebration as the rapture signal - is a bust. Jesus may return in 2036 to coincide with the Jubilee celebration. But the rapture has to take place before then.[/QUOTE]

OK, now I see where you're coming from. I see a post trib rapture as the only option. Jesus' words in Mathew 24 seem crystal clear to me. I see the rapture taking place when Christ returns not before hand. I also don't believe there is a rapture of the saints to Heaven, is that what you are suggesting?

 

[keras]

Those theories were based on Israel being the fig tree. Since Israel became a nation again in 1948 add 70 years for a generation to get 2018 (Jesus returns before then). Going along with that theory, the 70th week was supposed to have started before 2011 ended, at the latest. It didn't happen. So that theory was a bust.

Actually the 70 years from 1948, is that generation that will see it all. Matthew 24:32
2018 isn't the Return, or even the start of the last 7 years, but it will see the first prophesied event, namely the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, that will set the scene for all that must happen before the Return.
I am 75 years young and I confidently expect to see it all.

 

[Riberra]

I believe that the `catching away, ` the rapture precedes the Tribulation. Although I do not see the exact timing of this in God`s word I believe that we will know close to the time & even the month & year. I will set out my thinking in stages so you can respond, if you desire to a particular point.


We are NOT in darkness. I believe we will know closer to the time.

Based on that book the rapture was suppose to happen in 1988 ...with 88 good reasons it was supposed to happen then.
88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_C._Whisenant
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Not long ago the rapture was supposed to happen at the time of the tetrad red blood moons... of 2014--2015....

Something goes terribly wrong with the rapture predictions.... they always fails.

 

[Douggg]

OK, now I see where you're coming from. I see a post trib rapture as the only option. Jesus' words in Mathew 24 seem crystal clear to me. I see the rapture taking place when Christ returns not before hand. I also don't believe there is a rapture of the saints to Heaven, is that what you are suggesting?

Thanks, Butch, for the clarification of your view. My view is different. I believe that the rapture will be the saints to heaven - at least sometime before the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation of going into the temple (to be built of minimum size imo), sitting, claiming to be God.

That would be somewhere near the end of the first half of the 70th week, by about three months. Not enough information available to nail it down exactly. In my view, thus, the rapture can happen anytime between now and when it actually does - it may be pre-70th week or into the 70th week, but before the Antichrist commits the act.

 

[Douggg]

Based on that book the rapture was suppose to happen in 1988 ...with 88 good reasons it was supposed to happen then.
88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_C._Whisenant
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Not long ago the rapture was supposed to happen at the time of the tetrad red blood moons... of 2014--2015....

Something goes terribly wrong with the rapture predictions.... they always fails.

You can say with confidence that 100% of the predictions which those dates have past are wrong. So the combinations for the parable of the fig tree have been reduced to an almost 100% guarantee that the rapture will take place before the end of 2037.

So we all should be on the same page that the rapture takes place before the end of 2037. What we are not on the same page on is whether the rapture is pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post-trib, etc.

 

[Butch5]

Thanks, Butch, for the clarification of your view. My view is different. I believe that the rapture will be the saints to heaven - at least sometime before the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation of going into the temple (to be built of minimum size imo), sitting, claiming to be God.

That would be somewhere near the end of the first half of the 70th week, by about three months. Not enough information available to nail it down exactly. In my view, thus, the rapture can happen anytime between now and when it actually does - it may be pre-70th week or into the 70th week, but before the Antichrist commits the act.

I see no evidence of a pre trib rapture so I don't see a rapture to Heaven. Actually, I don't believe anyone goes to Heaven at any time. I don't find that in the Scriptures. I see the rapture in Mat 24. 'After the tribulation of those days'

 

[Marilyn C]

"- What of the 2,300 days from the sacrifices starting?
- What of the extra days of Daniel? (1,290, 1,335)"


Here is the answer

The 2300 days are evenings and mornings equal to 1150 24 hour days .... the additional 110 days of the total 1260 days are related to the completion of the setting up of the abomination of desolation .... this will all be cleansed by the ending of the second 1260 days decreed

Hi Straightshot,

Thank you for replying to the OP. Now I would just like to clarify what you are saying by way of a diagram. Correct me if this is not what you are saying -

...I.............................I...(110 AD)...X......( 1,150 eve & morn).......I.....
...................................Completion of AD....sacrifices etc.........cleansing

Doesn`t that make the AD (Abomination of Desolation BEFORE the sacrifices start???? Not understanding you there bro. can you clarify it for me please?

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Straightshot]

Israel's sacrificing today is worship at the base of the temple mount [Kotel], not animal sacrificing

This will be the case during the coming time of Jacob's trouble [the tribulation period]

Israel will be at what they consider to be their holy place when the Muslim "antichrist" invades and they will have to flee

This invasion will occur at the middle of the 70th week decreed and he will proceed to occupy and rule over Israel and the temple mount for the next 1260 days

His objective will be to destroy the Kotel and anything associated with Israel's presence in the land just as the Muslims do today

This action will go on for the first 110 days of the second 1260 days

http://mosaic.lk.net/g-wall.html

 

[Marilyn C]

Israel's sacrificing today is worship at the base of the temple mount [Kotel], not animal sacrificing

This will be the case during the coming time of Jacob's trouble [the tribulation period]

Israel will be at what they consider to be their holy place when the Muslim "antichrist" invades and they will have to flee

This invasion will occur at the middle of the 70th week decreed and he will proceed to occupy and rule over Israel and the temple mount for the next 1260 days

His objective will be to destroy the Kotel and anything associated with Israel's presence in the land just as the Muslims do today

This action will go on for the first 110 days of the second 1260 days

http://mosaic.lk.net/g-wall.html

Hi Straightshot,

It seems we agree that the antichrist will be a Muslim & also the time of his ruling. But the other details, well, we see differently there bro.

I believe the temple spoken about in scripture with the AD is already built. But that will have to wait for its own thread.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[Straightshot]

The Muslim Dome of the Rock is already on the mount and waiting for the Assyrian little horn

 

[keras]

The Muslim Dome of the Rock is already on the mount and waiting for the Assyrian little horn

The Dome of the Rock will be gone, along with the Islamic religion after Psalm 83:1-18, the Sixth Seal event.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 is clear; the AC will sit in God's Temple, claiming to be god.
I have been into the DoR on the Temple Mount. It is not 'God's Sanctuary'.

 

[Straightshot]

No .... he will sit in the temple of his "god"

 

[keras]

No .... he will sit in the temple of his "god"

Another SS pronouncement in error. You do this rather often.
Matthew 24:18 So when you see the AoD standing in the holy place.....

That there will be a new Temple of God in Jerusalem is certain from Revelation 11:1

 

[Straightshot]

"That there will be a new Temple of God in Jerusalem is certain from Revelation 11:1"


Wrong again, the Lord has a temple in heaven

.... and those who worship therein are the pre-tribulation ecclesia

In contrast there is no temple of the Lord's on the mount in 11:2 .... either before, or during the tribulation period

 

[Major1]

What does 1948 have to do with the equation? Are you suggesting that this is a gathering of Israel?





It's likely that the date of the crucifixion is not that far off if it is off. If you connect the two calendar via the resurrection it puts the next Jubilee year at 2036. Actually 2035 1/2. There are other signs that will let us know when the time is near and trumpet isn't blown on Yom Kippur in any year except the Jubilee year.




I guess that is possible. However, when you look at all of the events that happened on feast days I think what I said is more probable. Jesus was crucified on the Passover, he was raised on First Fruits, the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, Jesus was born on Rosh Hashannah, He returns on Yom Kippur and Sukkot becomes the marriage supper of the Lamb. The last two haven't happened yet obviously.



I'm still not sure how you're using the fig tree. I don't see any connection with 1948

The fig tree example from Jesus is said to be the example of the Jews being established back into the Promised Land which actually happened on May 14, 1948.

 

[Major1]

"That there will be a new Temple of God in Jerusalem is certain from Revelation 11:1"


Wrong again, the Lord has a temple in heaven

.... and those who worship therein are the pre-tribulation ecclesia

In contrast there is no temple of the Lord's on the mount in 11:2 .... either before, or during the tribulation period

I am sure you think you are correct, however the Bible says....

Daniel 9:27.....
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

How can you have sacrifice and oblations ceasing if there is no Temple from which to have sacrifices
and oblations? Clearly there needs to be a working, functioning, rebuilt Temple, and the only place where God would allow a Temple to be built is exactly where the ruins of the last one now stand.

It seems Biblically clear to me that this re-built Temple will be taken over, as Daniel the prophet foresaw, but the Lawless One, commonly known as the Antichrist, at exactly three and one half years after the start of the Time of Jacob's Trouble. This Temple will not be the LORD's temple, the Glory of God will not inhabit it.

Dan 12:11..........
" And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days."

Mat 24:15 ......
"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mar 13:14 ........
"But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains".

2 Thess. 2:4.....
"(Man of sin) who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

 

[Straightshot]

The return in 1948 is just a runner up to the coming 70th week decreed for Israel still pending as we speak

A remnant of the nation must be in the land to experience the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30; Zechariah 14]

The Lord's reference to a fig tree has to do with knowing when summer is near in Israel, and so He says when you see these things that He refers to you will know that His second advent to Israel is near

So 1948 was not the beginning of the 70th week, only an event leading up to the time frame .... nothing can be measured from 1948 to predict the beginning of the 70th week which is an exact defined period of time