Do evolutionists really understand the complexity of things?

[AV1611VET]

Do you try to be childish or does it come naturally?

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[MasonP]

Waaa waaa waaa

As I thought, it comes naturally.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

An insect with a new strain of a deadly virus stings him, and that kills him instantly?

Hmmm...

I'm such a prophet. All bow to me.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then so is "I did it last thursday".

Er, no. That can be falsified.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Er, no. That can be falsified.

Really? Please do.


(and btw: you just admitted your statement is unfalsifiable... which makes it worthless and meaningless by definition, as such ideas are infinite in number... as a result, they can be justifiably and rationally dismissed at face value... gratz!).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Completely irrelevant. The website I presented does show how a series of small changes can lead from a piece of wire to a fully modern mousetrap - exactly what Behe claimed was impossible when he said that a mousetrap was irreducibly complex!

Behe was talking about a modern mousetrap, not one in the process of development. However, every example of a primitive mousetrap as shown in your link is also irreducibly complex. Remove any part and it won't function.
A "spring wire" trap has to have certain parts no matter how primitive they appear.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Really? Please do.

Everything was there on Wednesday.

Please explain why something has to be false in order to be true. I never understood that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We no longer have to hunt.
We no longer are in a struggle to stay warm.
We no longer have to constantly look over our shoulder watching out for dangerous predators.
We no longer die from a common cold.

Many in undeveloped countries still have to worry about these things. Evolution hasn't helped them much.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Everything was there on Wednesday.

No, it wasn't.

As said, I created everything on thursday. That includes your brain and the neural network I implanted in it. This is why everybody thinks to remember their entire lives. I also created everything in such a way that it looks older then last thursday. But in reality, I created everything on thursday.

Please falsify.

Please explain why something has to be false in order to be true. I never understood that.

Wow... You don't know what it means for an idea to be "falsifiable" apparantly.
That's okay, I'll explain - just make sure you remember.

It means that the idea is falsifiable in principle.
It kind of goes hand in hand with being verifiable in some way or another.
It means that the idea makes a couple testable predictions in such a way that if the predictions are tested and if these tests fail, then the idea is falsified.

So an idea being "falsifiable" doesn't mean that it CAN be shown to be false. It means that it COULD be shown to be false, if it is indeed false.

As opposed to an unfalsifiable idea.. such an idea is impossible to being demonstrated as false, even if it is false, because it makes no testable predictions. Because there is nothing to test.

So to summarize, an idea isn't "falsifiable" when it can be shown to be false. An idea is "falsifiable" when it could be shown to be false in case that it is.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Many in undeveloped countries still have to worry about these things. Evolution hasn't helped them much.

When you are done with the childish remarks, we might perhaps discuss the actual points I raised.

In the meantime:

Even the most primitive of tribes have an "easier" life thanks to technology as opposed to without such technology.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Many in undeveloped countries still have to worry about these things. Evolution hasn't helped them much.

Evolution increases the chances of population survival in a given environment, that's all. Still being around is as good as it gets for the vast majority of creatures.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it wasn't.

As said, I created everything on thursday. That includes your brain and the neural network I implanted in it. This is why everybody thinks to remember their entire lives. I also created everything in such a way that it looks older then last thursday. But in reality, I created everything on thursday.

Please falsify.




Wow... You don't know what it means for an idea to be "falsifiable" apparantly.
That's okay, I'll explain - just make sure you remember.

It means that the idea is falsifiable in principle.
It kind of goes hand in hand with being verifiable in some way or another.
It means that the idea makes a couple testable predictions in such a way that if the predictions are tested and if these tests fail, then the idea is falsified.

So an idea being "falsifiable" doesn't mean that it CAN be shown to be false. It means that it COULD be shown to be false, if it is indeed false.

As opposed to an unfalsifiable idea.. such an idea is impossible to being demonstrated as false, even if it is false, because it makes no testable predictions. Because there is nothing to test.

So to summarize, an idea isn't "falsifiable" when it can be shown to be false. An idea is "falsifiable" when it could be shown to be false in case that it is.

If you created everything last Thursday there is no evolution and you support special creation?

And, is evolution theory falsifiable?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

When you are done with the childish remarks, we might perhaps discuss the actual points I raised.

In the meantime:

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Even the most primitive of tribes have an "easier" life thanks to technology as opposed to without such technology.

Technology isn't evolution.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Technology isn't evolution.

Maybe you should read the posts again, because you are way of track.

Nobody is saying that technology is evolution.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If you created everything last Thursday there is no evolution and you support special creation?

Hey, you did it, gratz...
You derailed the analogy so much that you almost succeeded in making sure the original point being made got burried in the pages of the thread. That's a world class dodge right there.

Just to remind you...
You said:

Goddidit is the true 'Unified Theory of Everything'.

To wich I replied

Then so is "I did it last thursday".

Which you then were about to falsify...
You engaged in a first attempt and I shot that one out of the park.
Then the above happened.

Perhaps you would like a second chance?

And, is evolution theory falsifiable?

Off course it is. Every scientific theory and hypothesis is. It's kind of required.

There are no free rides in science.


edit: maybe I should give you an example...

Here: find me a reptile with an inner ear bone. If you succeed, evolution is in trouble.

 

[Kylie]

Behe was talking about a modern mousetrap, not one in the process of development.

Of course. If he has to take into account the development of biological systems, his argument falls apart.

However, every example of a primitive mousetrap as shown in your link is also irreducibly complex. Remove any part and it won't function.

Wow, you didn't pay attention to that page at all, did you?

A "spring wire" trap has to have certain parts no matter how primitive they appear.

You have completely missed the point, haven't you?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Of course. If he has to take into account the development of biological systems, his argument falls apart.



Wow, you didn't pay attention to that page at all, did you?



You have completely missed the point, haven't you?

I got it, I just don't agree with it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Hey, you did it, gratz...
You derailed the analogy so much that you almost succeeded in making sure the original point being made got burried in the pages of the thread. That's a world class dodge right there.

Just to remind you...
You said:



To wich I replied



Which you then were about to falsify...
You engaged in a first attempt and I shot that one out of the park.
Then the above happened.

Perhaps you would like a second chance?



Off course it is. Every scientific theory and hypothesis is. It's kind of required.

There are no free rides in science.


edit: maybe I should give you an example...

Here: find me a reptile with an inner ear bone. If you succeed, evolution is in trouble.

I can proclaim myself the winner too.

 

[Kylie]

I got it, I just don't agree with it.

You might as well disagree with the statement 1+1=2.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You might as well disagree with the statement 1+1=2.

You produced drawings of a primitive 'mousetrap' design that exists only in someone's mind, the same place where those primitive biological systems reside. Like the mousetrap there are no examples of those primitive systems. They exist only on paper, within the 'theory", in the minds of scientists.