For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Its pointless Bob. Utterly useless. (big freakin' SIGH)

Religion, O how I dislike it. My heart has a thousand wounds bleeding theological discord. How can you love this?

When YHWH finally gets thru - after many years of grievous deception and heart-ache ;
and instead of all the traditions and all the theology. PEACE, JOY and RIGHTEOUSNESS.
LOVE HIM, Y'SHUA. HE LOVES US. simple. keep simple.

 

[W2L]

I prefer sticking with the Bible.

Correction, you prefer SDA. You ignore scripture

 

[BobRyan]

Correction, you prefer SDA. You ignore scripture

not in real life. -- as we all know

In real life I quote from large sections of scripture - and the argument that is at war with the Bible Sabbath simply "ignores it all".

How many times do we see scripture that "must be ignored" called "spam" on these threads??
Answer: Many times!
Is it the Bible Sabbath affirming or the Bible Sabbath denying arguments that need to refer to Bible texts as "spam"? in those cases - that are actually on this section of the board?
Answer: it is very obvious.


What position is being taken on this thread that is soooo objective and glaringly obvious that not only does the Bible support it, not only do the Bible-Sabbath-affirming Christians support it - but EVEN the pro-Sunday scholars support it???

ANSWER: the TEN-Commandments-Still-VALID for all mankind position is the only one -- the only one - with that level of objectivity in it.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?????

 

[W2L]

Bob, Stay in your SDA bubble, and everyone else can stay in theirs, because you wont like what you see otherwise.

 

[BobRyan]

No thanks. Because of SDA vs RC vs EO vs Anglican vs Lutheran vs Baptist vs Pentecostal vs Methodist vs Calvinist vs Presbyterian... my faith is already in shambles. .

Choose the Word of God.

Protesting Catholics did it -- you can too.

 

[BobRyan]

Bob, Stay in your SDA bubble, and everyone else can stay in theirs, because you wont like what you see otherwise.

Sorry to dissappoint you - but I choose the Bible "instead".

"Give me the Bible AND THE WORDS IN the Bible".

Many people "have a Bible" while rejecting the words IN the Bible --

I choose "The Bible AND the Words IN the Bible" -- instead.

 

[BobRyan]

To all of you that think you have to abide by ritual laws given to only one nation, I ask this question, where in New Testament scripture do you find where you are doing right by doing what you do?

Read Hebrews 8 much??

Hebrews 8
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

Read Luke 24 much??

Luke 24 ” 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

Read Acts 17:11 much
Acts 17:11 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so

Details soooo incredibly obvious that not only does the Bible affirm it... not only do the Bible-Sabbath-affirming Christians affirm it -- but even the pro-Sunday scholars admit to it!!!

therefore here is a point so objective - that all can affirm it.

 

[BobRyan]

Do you see any ritual laws of the old covenant in doing what is right? Our duty to Jesus is to love others as Jesus loves us. .

Notice how the NT text comes back repeatedly to this point that the TEN Commandments - the "Commandments of God" are the moral law of God that is binding on all Christians.


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The TEN commandments are included in "THE LAW" the Moral Law of God that defines sin.

Eph 6:2
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:

Ten Commandments spoken by Christ at Sinai - Ex 20. Heb 8:6-10

Ten Commandments quoted in NT when giving examples of the LAW.

Ten Commandments - the Law -- defines what sin is even in the NT

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

Romans 3
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of

31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.sin.



Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is THE Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through THE Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless THE law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Ten Commandments -- "The Word of God" -- "The Commandment of God" - "Moses Said"

Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said,
“‘You shall not murder,’
‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’
‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It based on "He who said" -

Rom 2
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?

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"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[BobRyan]

Some people will look at that lists of texts and give up in despair thinking that man-made-tradition will never be able to overcome all those texts - "and after-all how could man-made tradition ever be wrong?".

Others will joyfully welcome scripture-above-man-made-tradition.

Each one has free will - each one can choose.

 

[W2L]

Sorry to dissappoint you - but I choose the Bible "instead".

"Give me the Bible AND THE WORDS IN the Bible".

Many people "have a Bible" while rejecting the words IN the Bible --

I choose "The Bible AND the Words IN the Bible" -- instead.

Good for you Bob. I'm glad you have what you need. I really am, seriously. Have a good day.

 

[W2L]

not in real life. -- as we all know

In real life I quote from large sections of scripture - and the argument that is at war with the Bible Sabbath simply "ignores it all".

How many times do we see scripture that "must be ignored" called "spam" on these threads??
Answer: Many times!
Is it the Bible Sabbath affirming or the Bible Sabbath denying arguments that need to refer to Bible texts as "spam"? in those cases - that are actually on this section of the board?
Answer: it is very obvious.


What position is being taken on this thread that is soooo objective and glaringly obvious that not only does the Bible support it, not only do the Bible-Sabbath-affirming Christians support it - but EVEN the pro-Sunday scholars support it???

ANSWER: the TEN-Commandments-Still-VALID for all mankind position is the only one -- the only one - with that level of objectivity in it.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?????

How useless would it be for you and me to spam scripture all day. You could spam selected portions of Acts 17-18, and I could spam the parts you left out. You could spam scriptures about Sabbath and I could spam Colossians 2, Hebrews 4 and Romans 14. What's it prove though? Nothing.

 

[BobRyan]

How useless would it be for you and me to spam scripture

Only those whose main interest is to protect their tradition from being confronted by scripture - call scripture "spam". Check it out - and see if I am not right.

You could spam selected portions of Acts 17-18, and I could spam the parts you left out.

That is the same argument that Atheists make - who claim the Bible is wax and can be made to say anything.

It is the same argument those over on the G.T. forum use against "sola scriptura".

IT is the argument that concludes with "I will just stick with my traditions and you stick with yours".

I quote Colossians 2 and Hebrews 4 and Romans 14 -- all day long. and it gets ignored.

I could spam Colossians 2, Hebrews 4 and Romans 14.

I welcomed it - if you attention to everything posted on those chapters. But just clinging to one or two verses and ignoring everything in the entire chapter - well I have very little interest in that.

 

[listed]

Choose the Word of God.

Protesting Catholics did it -- you can too.

We choose the Bible.

 

[listed]

Sorry to dissappoint you - but I choose the Bible "instead".

"Give me the Bible AND THE WORDS IN the Bible".

Many people "have a Bible" while rejecting the words IN the Bible --

I choose "The Bible AND the Words IN the Bible" -- instead.

You only want select parts of the Bible, especially half sentences aand passages that appear to condemn others.

 

[listed]

Read Hebrews 8 much??

Hebrews 8
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

Read Luke 24 much??

Luke 24 ” 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

Read Acts 17:11 much
Acts 17:11 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so

Details soooo incredibly obvious that not only does the Bible affirm it... not only do the Bible-Sabbath-affirming Christians affirm it -- but even the pro-Sunday scholars admit to it!!!

therefore here is a point so objective - that all can affirm it.

Only thru ignored and skewed quotes.

 

[listed]

Only those whose main interest is to protect their tradition from being confronted by scripture - call scripture "spam". Check it out - and see if I am not right.

Isn't that what you're doing?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Isn't that what you're doing?

Yep. That certainly appears to me his modus operandi, although I sometimes wonder if he is merely deceived himself and unable to see the trap he is in or if he is a deceiver attempting to draw people into the trap of partial law-keeping.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

BobRyan said: ↑
Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"..............

Where will all the 7 billion + people in the world come to worship Him? I don't think there is enough room in Jerusalem to hold all of them......tho I could be wrong.
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BobRyan said: ↑
Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"..............

Where?
Where? What does this have to do with my statement or what is found in Isa 66:23?

What is your point?

bugkiller

Indeed!
Inquiring minds want to know. Perhaps we could make a thread on that.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/john/4-21.htm

◄ John 4:21 ►
Jesus said to her, Woman! believe Me, the hour comes when you shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(21) Woman (comp. Note on John 2:4), believe me, the hour cometh.—Better, there cometh an hour. The Authorised version of the latter clause gives the correct sense, if it is punctuated as follows: “When ye shall, neither in this mountain nor yet in Jerusalem, worship the Father;” “when ye shall worship, but without the limitation of holy places; when ye shall worship the Father of mankind, before whom Jew, and Samaritan, and Gentile are brethren.”
Both these thoughts are suggested by her words. She had referred in the past tense to the worship on Gerizim, when for more than a century and a half the temple had been in ruins, but she refers in the present to the temple at Jerusalem, where the form of worship was every day gone through. From that temple He had just come.

Matt 24:
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple.
2 The yet Jesus saying to them, "Not you see all these?
Amen I am saying to ye, not no be being left here stone upon stone, which not shall be being demolished"

Reve 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great,

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:


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[klutedavid]

IT is the argument that concludes with "I will just stick with my traditions and you stick with yours".

Hello Bob.

I was wondering how you read the following ancient letter.

Epistle of Barnabus

Written sometime after the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and before the Bar Kochba revolt in 132 AD.

Toward the end of the 2nd century, Clement of Alexandria mentions the Epistle of Barnabus.

Barnabas 15
8 Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot away with. Ye see what is His meaning, it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world. 9 Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended into the heavens.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Correction, you prefer SDA. You ignore scripture

Perhaps not.
The test to find out is if he disagrees with some sda sayings or doctrines or beliefs, and if this is because of what YHWH has revealed to him in SCRIPTURE.

A lot of posters refuse to find out what YHWH'S WORD SAYS AT ALL, about anything. They trust man instead of YHWH and don't want to shake the boat they're in.
IF someone trusts YHWH, they test everything and won't accept it even if Peter or Paul or an Angel tells them it, if it differs from YHWH'S WORD REVEALED . Even little children can tell, according to YHWH'S WORD and HIS GOOD PLEASURE ! (As Y'SHUA SAYS)