Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

[Aldebaran]

As a teenager, I worked in a factory for a year and a half. I was shocked at the way people talked, and the women talked in as bad or worse way than the men!

I can relate! I've been in workplaces where I get stuck with a group of people who go on and on like that. I always thought they'd get tired of it after some time, but that never ended up being the case. I guess it was natural for them.

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

I can relate! I've been in workplaces where I get stuck with a group of people who go on and on like that. I always thought they'd get tired of it after some time, but that never ended up being the case. I guess it was natural for them.

Yes, and what I heard women say was as bad or worse than what we have Trump saying on tape. In fact, when adjusted for the direction (coming from a woman and not a man) it was just about the same thing.

 

[momto3girls]

if you care about the Supreme Court and your kids you'll vote Trump. Don't let the media bamboozle you. It's exactly what they want you to do. We as Christians should be immune to their tactics.

Trump will not hold true to Republican ideals! He's already pushing away the Republicans who are distancing themselves from him as we speak! He is only in it for HIMSELF!!! Please don't be fooled!

 

[FenderTL5]

But when it comes to leading a nation, trust God to provide us with good moral leaders, but remember, we must then be good moral followers of a God-appointed leader.

We do not need to be trying to force the church on the nation. THAT is not our job. Our job is to lead by example, not by legislation.

I said Christians need to be the church and not republicans. I agree, in fact that is my point that, "We do not need to be trying to force the church on the nation."

Christianity in the US, which is largely evangelical, has so intertwined their patriotism and their faith that in many cases they can no longer distinguish between the two.*
God's law is not written on hearts if it isn't written in the courts.
This is why adultery and divorce rates are no different in the church than they are in the population at large. I haven't seen the statistics but I would presume that abortion rates are similar** and let's not forget, there were churches performing homosexual unions long before many of the legislatures took up the issue. If you want fewer abortions, then Christians should stop getting them.
The issue is not an attack from without, the issue is within.

I don't see the embracing of immorality and greed for the sake of yet another divisive court decision as the answer. If you know the scriptures, I don't need to quote chapter and verse for you to know what it takes for our land to be healed.
We don't need a law or a 'strongman' protecting religious freedom in America. We have that freedom already.
What we need is to stop trying to build an earthly kingdom and start investing in the heavenly one. Embrace the true church, take up our cross and follow Christ. If that involves suffering? Well, we have an example.
May Lord have mercy on our president, all in public service, and our nation. We need it.
-------------------------------------------------------------
*the intertwining could be a whole subject unto itself
** Since I first posted this (elsewhere) yesterday, I have seen the numbers. A study condcuted by LifeWay reveals that 70% of women getting an abortion identify as Christian.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/7...-as-christians-survey-finds-150937/page1.html

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

Trump will not hold true to Republican ideals! He's already pushing away the Republicans who are distancing themselves from him as we speak! He is only in it for HIMSELF!!! Please don't be fooled!

Would you have Hillary in there instead? That is the alternative, you know? No one else is keeping her from being Criminal in Chief.

 

[Major1]

Trump will not hold true to Republican ideals! He's already pushing away the Republicans who are distancing themselves from him as we speak! He is only in it for HIMSELF!!! Please don't be fooled!

He can not push away what has already WALKED away. Those who said they can not now vote for were never going to vote for him.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Trump will not hold true to Republican ideals! He's already pushing away the Republicans who are distancing themselves from him as we speak! He is only in it for HIMSELF!!! Please don't be fooled!

But all politicians are in it for themselves....When was the last time you saw a self sacrificing politician?.....that's like an oxy-moron......

 

[Major1]

Neither. That's my point. Don't vote for either and just concentrate on the down ticket votes.

What makes you think he'll select judges who have conservative interests at heart? He hasn't shown himself to be a Christian at all! He's only out for himself!

Why would any person who is as rich as Trump want to be in this just for himself?????

IF he was out for himself he would not even have run for president but instead sit back and watch life go by.

Mrs Clinton on the other hand is running not for money but for power and prestige. She is a "eliteist" and feels entitled.

 

[Major1]

If you really want to be offended by something, read about how LBJ talked over all the years he was a politician including as president. I have heard enough in my life to not be shocked by anything that comes out of the mouth of man....or woman......

Edit: you is in the plural sense, not directed at you specifically @Major1

I love your name..."civil war buff". I am named for my great, great grandfather who was a Major in the Confederate Army.

I also agree with your comment. All of this about words said in private is nonsense and is nothing but a cover for those unsure about who to vote for. NOW they can say......."I can not vote for Trump because of what he said"..

 

[Aldebaran]

He can not push away what has already WALKED away. Those who said they can not now vote for were never going to vote for him.

I think many of those people (mostly the public people such as Senators and Congressmen) who are now saying they won't vote for him have to say that in order to distance themselves publicly from Trump in order to look better. But once they're in the voting booth, there's no reason to not vote for him. I think a lot of people responding to polling questions about who they'd vote for will say they won't for Trump too because they don't want to be questioned about it.

 

[4x4toy]

She talked to people directly and called them by name and actually gave intelligent responses. That should be one of the many bear minimum requirements to be the President of the United States. Trump insults people when asked questions and he looks past them as if they do not exist. He openly contradicts himself and is disruptive and hateful. If that's the American man you prefer as an alternative for being President, then I wish you the best of luck. But such openly idiotic antics from an individual would only lead to quick destruction of our country. A president has to be a diplomat and not a person who is a hot head who avoids questions. Also, why would you let someone who appears to be even remotely a hot head near nuclear codes? Doesn't make sense to me. I see nothing but the end if that man ever got into office. He would be safe and protected, but the rest of us would be toast.


...

As to Hillary , all her speak is merely feel good generic politician speak .. Does she make you feel better hearing her rock-a-by baby lullabies ? You should know them by heart after the last 35 yrs or so ...

As to Trump , think about it , is there anyway anyone could challenge the Establishment without being fringe and provocative . What he has accomplished is no less than miraculous and that with every dollar available dedicated to shooting him down from the powers that be ..

Nuclear ? You quote the Bible and so do I .. Teach me Rabbi , who supports Israel when the US is taken away and consumed into a one World Government ? Surely you've read where all nations will be united against Israel right at the End Time . If you are real and not a paid forum hack , lay some End Time preaching on me as to which candidate would fit which agenda ..

 

[civilwarbuff]

I love your name..."civil war buff". I am named for my great, great grandfather who was a Major in the Confederate Army.

I also agree with your comment. All of this about words said in private is nonsense and is nothing but a cover for those unsure about who to vote for. NOW they can say......."I can not vote for Trump because of what he said"..

My great-great grandfather, David Wear, Cpl, Co. G, served with the 140th Regiment Ohio Infantry for 100 days in 1864; what we would call a National Guard unit today. He was too old to be drafted (b. 1825). He is buried in Soldiers Circle, Greeenlawn Cemetery, Portsmouth OH.

 

[derGroßmütige]

When was the last time you saw a self sacrificing politician?

Ummm, Donald Trump does come to mind. His name is dragged through the mud, he's lost potentially billions because of this run harming his business interests, and been subjected to the most vicious barrage of media character assassination ever seen in world history. If he wanted self-aggrandizement, he should of NOT run, as the media was doting on him far more before he ran than after. The negatives here far outweigh any positives for him, so Trump is certainly sacrificing a lot. The worst you could say of his motives is maybe he thinks by making America great again he might live on in history. But if that's the case every voter in America should vote for him because you can expect him to do his best to turn around the country or else he did all of this for nothing and truly sacrificed everything for nothing.

Whereas for Clinton, she only stands to profit by running for office. She made over $200 million by using government power to enrich herself. Like Trump said, there is a reason she won't put up any of her own money in the race despite being basically a billionaire (if you add her foundation's assets she is a billionaire). She just made her billion through corruption rather than hard work. Her winning may cause the nation to break apart but she still won't step down for the good of the nation.

 

[Major1]

Jesus says "...out of the abundance of the heart does the mouth speak; And an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil"

In other words, what he says tells us alot about WHO he is as a person and how he will treat us as Americans. He also spoke racists comments as well. He also thinks people are losers if they are not rich, too. So according to Trump, you are not a winner (if you are not rich and or if you are not a super attractive woman). In other words, Trump's world does not line up with the real world involving politics. He might be a successful business man, and hurt alot of people in his businesses, but you really can't operate a country the same way like that.


...

And isn't it interesting that when Mrs. Clinton said that politicians have to have TWO personalities. One for the board room and one for the common folk.

Why is that OK for her to say that (on another email released last Friday) but what Trump says is poison for you.

What is the difference between the two my friend.

Sure Trump is rich and you are correct to challenge him on that. But according to Clintons tax record they are worth over $100 million dollars.

Aren't you having a double standard????

 

[derGroßmütige]

Neither. That's my point. Don't vote for either and just concentrate on the down ticket votes.

What makes you think he'll select judges who have conservative interests at heart? He hasn't shown himself to be a Christian at all! He's only out for himself!

Trump has given a list of all the judges he'll consider for Supreme Court and a promise to only choose from those judges. I've read the list. It is full of amazing Constitutional conservatives in many cases more conservative than Scalia even!

Do not tell people to not vote for Trump. If Hillary wins, America is OVER. Done. The Right will not tolerate a criminal traitor taking office. Whether it's a civil war, military coup, or separation, America's existence will be brought to the edge of the abyss. States will HAVE NO CHOICE but to leave, because Hillary will give amnesty and fast-track citizenship for 20 million illegals. I've spoken with the governor, state senators, and many others. There are plans in place already though the public does not understand the purpose of which are for setting the stage. If she wins, I guarantee you, one of those three things (civil war, military coup, or best case of peaceful separation) will occur.

 

[Major1]

I think many of those people (mostly the public people such as Senators and Congressmen) who are now saying they won't vote for him have to say that in order to distance themselves publicly from Trump in order to look better. But once they're in the voting booth, there's no reason to not vote for him. I think a lot of people responding to polling questions about who they'd vote for will say they won't for Trump too because they don't want to be questioned about it.

Makes good sence!

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

Trump was asked many times over the decades about his interest in running for pres. He was not inclined to say he was interested, but would say some things about how a person who knows how to promote business could benefit everyone in that position.

According to Hillary, your deep seated religious beliefs must be changed:

Don't be fooled. Hillary is in it for the devil...

 

[Major1]

Trump has given a list of all the judges he'll consider for Supreme Court and a promise to only choose from those judges. I've read the list. It is full of amazing Constitutional conservatives in many cases more conservative than Scalia even!

Do not tell people to not vote for Trump. If Hillary wins, America is OVER. Done. The Right will not tolerate a criminal traitor taking office. Whether it's a civil war, military coup, or separation, America's existence will be brought to the edge of the abyss. States will HAVE NO CHOICE but to leave, because Hillary will give amnesty and fast-track citizenship for 20 million illegals. I've spoken with the governor, state senators, and many others. There are plans in place already though the public does not understand the purpose of which are for setting the stage. If she wins, I guarantee you, one of those three things (civil war, military coup, or best case of peaceful separation) will occur.

Your thesis is to me a little suspect and scary.

I am not disagreeing with you and I am sure something is going to happen I am not convinced it will be of the magnitude you are describing. I hope not!!!

The reason why it will not be separation is really easy. MONEY! Too much interstates invesments involved.

I can however see a political revolt from congress is the Republican keep control. From that might come indictments that would cause resignations.

 

[derGroßmütige]

We don't need a law or a 'strongman' protecting religious freedom in America. We have that freedom already.
What we need is to stop trying to build an earthly kingdom and start investing in the heavenly one. Embrace the true church, take up our cross and follow Christ. If that involves suffering? Well, we have an example.
May Lord have mercy on our president, all in public service, and our nation. We need it.

Actually we don't have that freedom. If you refuse to bake a homosexual cake with two grooms on it, you will be put in jail. If you are a wedding photographer and refuse to go to and take photos of a homosexual wedding, you will be fined out of business. At what point will you admit we no longer have religious freedom? When they line you up on the wall and shoot you for being Christian?

And most of us here are following Christ. Be careful because it sounds like you are condemning others for fighting the political battles and making the assumption they don't also fight the spiritual battle.

And if you care about America in the slightest, understand that this election will render judgement on America. This is the FIRST TIME Americans have a chance to vote after the gay marriage decision. It was initially forced on the people by 5 unelected judges. But if the PEOPLE vote for the party that pushed through sodomite marriage, then this nation WILL be destroyed. Not necessarily the way Sodom & Gomorrah were, but it will break apart for sure. Whether a civil war, military coup, or peaceful break-up at best, the union is on the verge of a crisis of amazing proportions.

 

[derGroßmütige]

Your thesis is to me a little suspect and scary.

I am not disagreeing with you and I am sure something is going to happen I am not convinced it will be of the magnitude you are describing. I hope not!!!

The reason why it will not be separation is really easy. MONEY! Too much interstates invesments involved.

I can however see a political revolt from congress is the Republican keep control. From that might come indictments that would cause resignations.

The main obstacle to states passing nullification bills (like the TSA bill), in recent times, have been governors (i.e. Rick Perry, who did not want to secede because he selfishly wanted to run for President to rule a larger country) and state senators who knew it would lead to a potential secession crisis and who, as politicians would rather not do something so risky and they often wanted federal jobs like to be a federal Congressman or Senator.

But if Hillary wins and legalizes 20 million new Democrat voters (illegals), not only will those GOP governors no longer be able to run for President, they will lose their re-election campaigns, their jobs, etc. So even if only out of self-preservation, they CANNOT allow amnesty even if it means nullification or leaving the union (which are synonyms).

Governor Abbott, trying to pick a better issue to secede over, has already issued an ultimatum that Texas will not accept more muslim refugees on January 31st 2017, two weeks after inauguration day. A domino of other governors will likely say the same thing. He is setting the stage for the showdown and he picked the best possible issue (since the entire army hates muslim terrorists and Texas would simply be trying to protect itself from terrorism).

What's funny is that is the EXACT plot of "The Second Civil War" movie made in 1997. A governor refuses to accept muslim refugees to Twin Falls, Idaho (just this year, 2016 in Twin Falls, muslim refugees gang raped a 5 year old Idaho girl) and it leads to a standoff and civil war. The movie is prophetic in so many ways.