Christianity... and the fact of evolution

[Armoured]

Anyone who has been born again KNOWS their God and yes we as such "have skin in it"!

And those who have been born again who disagrees with you?

 

[Archivist]

I'll correct you. Humans and apes were created by God. Separately.
And never the twain shall meet.

Yes, they were both created by God. But humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.

 

[Armoured]

Yes, they were both created by God. But humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.

You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion.

Just not to claim that what science says "isn't science".

 

[smithed64]

Ok. I respect that you think so. But, what do you think I should do with the evidence of the Geologic Column and the appearance that the earth is way, way more than 10,000 years old?

Read the other side of the coin.
Then form your own thoughts. We are to not lean into our own understanding of things. Trust God.

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/geologic-time-scale/geologic-column/

Good day

 

[smithed64]

Well yes, but you see, you are the heretic from my theological point of view, even as I am the heretic from your point of view.

Now that we've settled that you are a heretic, shall we discuss the evidence for evolution?

So you start with a ad hominum and then want to jump into a conversation.

LOL...that's like someone walking up to you and saying.."your breath stinks and your an idiot"..."oh by the way, how about those Cowboys"....lol. I don't think you would appreciate that too much, nor want to have a conversation with them no would you.

No. Sorry.

First explain how I am heretical from your theological point of view.

 

[Archivist]

No, I think Genesis was written so that the created would know more about the Creator. As to the age of the earth, I'll defer to the Biblical genealogists who put it from 6,000 to 10,000 years old. How old it is doesn't concern me. That God told us how He created us and we refuse to believe does concern me.

I believe that we were created by God, but like many Christians I belied that He accomplished that through evolution. I read the Genesis creation accounts (there are two of them and they do not agree) as allegories.

How is that "refusing to believe"? God created everything, period.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I wouldn't be surprised to see Darwin in heaven.

I might be surprised to find Darwin there. After having read James Rachels' book, Created from Animals: The Moral Implications of Darwinism, I have my doubts about Darwin.

BUT, if Darwin is there, then I'll do an extra jump and click of my heels.

What I want to know is: Will we find Captain Robert FitzRoy in heaven? I'd count him as the first casualty of the emotional thump which Darwin delivered to the world.

 

[Archivist]

I might be surprised to find Darwin there. After having read James Rachels' book, Created from Animals: The Moral Implications of Darwinism, I have my doubts about Darwin.

BUT, if Darwin is there, then I'll do an extra jump and click of my heels.

What I want to know is: Will we find Captain Robert FitzRoy in heaven? I'd count him as the first casualty of the emotional thump which Darwin delivered to the world.

Given some of the comments I see from folks in this forum, I think some people will be very surprised by who they will find in heaven.

 

[AV1611VET]

I believe that we were created by God, but like many Christians I belied that He accomplished that through evolution.

We're mutant copy-errors made in the image & likeness of God, are we?

Is Jesus an ape?

I read the Genesis creation accounts (there are two of them and they do not agree) as allegories.

Two questions:

1. Since, in your opinion, the two contradict, why are they BOTH allegories? Can't one be the "right one"?

2. In your second allegory (Genesis 2), how many times did God put Adam into the Garden?

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Given some of the comments I see from folks in this forum, I think some people will be very surprised by who they will find in heaven.

There's a lot here that aren't going to see Darwin in Heaven because they put their trust in science.

 

[Armoured]

Given some of the comments I see from folks in this forum, I think some people will be very surprised by who they will find in heaven.

And even MORE surprised by who isn't.

 

[Archivist]

We're mutant copy-errors made in the image & likeness of God, are we?

Don't believe I ever said that.

Is Jesus an ape?

If you have paid any attention to my posts in this thread you know that I have stated that man did not evolve from apes. Humans and apes share a common ancestor.

Two questions:

1. Since, in your opinion, the two contradict, why are they BOTH allegories? Can't one be the "right one"?

They are both allegories that show that God created everything.

2. In your second allegory (Genesis 2), how many times did God put Adam into the Garden? Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

The stories are allegories, so God never actually put man in a garden.

 

[Archivist]

There's a lot here that aren't going to see Darwin in Heaven because they put their trust in science.

Are you aying that belief in a literal reading of Genesis is a salvation issue? If so, please show me where scripture says that.

 

[Armoured]

Are you aying that belief in a literal reading of Genesis is a salvation issue? If so, please show me where scripture says that.

And if a belief in a literal Genesis IS a salvation issue, aren't we all in trouble, considering Genesis is self contradictory?

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you aying that belief in a literal reading of Genesis is a salvation issue?

No ... but I will if I'm asked.

 

[Archivist]

No ... but I will if I'm asked.

So, is it?

 

[AV1611VET]

... considering Genesis is self contradictory?

Only in your mind.

(Or maybe it's a heart issue?)

 

[AV1611VET]

So, is it?

Yes

 

[KWCrazy]

I believe that we were created by God, but like many Christians I belied that He accomplished that through evolution.

Since you believe in two mutually exclusive accounts for creation, there are only three ways to justify it:
There is a God, but the Bible is not ordained by Him. It's man's creation.
There is a God and the Bible is God's word, but God lies.
There is a God and the Bible is about God but written by men; I get to selectively decide what I choose to believe and make my own religion.

I read the Genesis creation accounts (there are two of them and they do not agree) as allegories.

You lack understanding. There is one account of the creation of the world and one account of the origination of man, which happened on day six. You reject them both over the theories of man. By the way. There are NO valid scientific explanations for the origination of life or matter. Should we credit Him with this and nothing more?

 

[Archivist]

Yes

And where does the Bible say that one must believe in a literal six-day creation in order to be saved?