Christianity... and the fact of evolution

[Paul of Eugene OR]

To many churches.
To many Born Again men, women and children.

The definition of heresy covers it well.

1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system.

I see, so when you disagree with me you are a heretic. I'll try to be kind and not remind you of that all the time.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Making declarations is not presenting evidence.



You want to know why some animals are different from others in the way they provide for the next generation? You might alternatively ask why should they all be the same? Once we have a separate species, each species is on its own evolutionary track and nothing makes them stay identical!



Mutations, natural selection, accumulation of beneficial changes over time.



Thank you for likening me to Darwin, that is a high complement, he was a brilliant and influential man.

Why does it matter if Darwin - or me - didn't explain the origin of life? As I see it, there are two possibilities.

a - you think that maybe there isn't any life after all, so evolution can't work because there is no life.
b - you think that by changing the subject to origin of life instead of evolution of life you assert evolution theory is in error.

I lean toward the second idea. Its a common trick of debate. That you have to stoop to debate tricks instead of actual logic and actual evidence does not lend any real credence to your cause.

Again, a true scientist worth his salt would start with origins...higher caliber scientists know this and that is one way evolution has in recent years become a debunk theory...amongst true scientist!

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Isn't it also derogatory to assert someone is "at war with Christianity"? It is not a valid argument for your side to assert that anyone who disagrees with you is being derogatory. They could, possibly, still be . . . right.

Where is your sense of logic? GONE...no wonder you fall prey to evolution...

 

[Indent]

To many churches.
To many Born Again men, women and children.

The definition of heresy covers it well.

1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system.

Well I don't have to respect the positions/opinion/ignorance of individuals or churches.

I'd like to think churches have evolved today.

As someone mentioned, this definition of "heresy" runs both ways.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Again, a true scientist worth his salt would start with origins...higher caliber scientists know this and that is one way evolution has in recent years become a debunk theory...amongst true scientist!

And what was the title of Darwin's book...ha-ha-ha...what a farse!

 

[Indent]

Again, a true scientist worth his salt would start with origins...higher caliber scientists know this and that is one way evolution has in recent years become a debunk theory...amongst true scientist!

A true failure to understand how science works.

A true scientist worth his salt would find this post laughable

The questions of abiogenesis changes nothing for the fact of evolution.

 

[KWCrazy]

Are you sure that God doesn't just have some secrets about physical reality that He doesn't reveal to us?

God would not state in the most clearly defined terms that He created the world in six days if He had done otherwise. God does not deceive.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

Making declarations is not presenting evidence.



You want to know why some animals are different from others in the way they provide for the next generation? You might alternatively ask why should they all be the same? Once we have a separate species, each species is on its own evolutionary track and nothing makes them stay identical!



Mutations, natural selection, accumulation of beneficial changes over time.



Thank you for likening me to Darwin, that is a high complement, he was a brilliant and influential man.

Why does it matter if Darwin - or me - didn't explain the origin of life? As I see it, there are two possibilities.

a - you think that maybe there isn't any life after all, so evolution can't work because there is no life.
b - you think that by changing the subject to origin of life instead of evolution of life you assert evolution theory is in error.

I lean toward the second idea. Its a common trick of debate. That you have to stoop to debate tricks instead of actual logic and actual evidence does not lend any real credence to your cause.

What was the title of Darwin's book? That is very telling...he discounted God and he took a lame approach as a scientist...named his book the "Origin of Species" but he concludes nothing about actual origins.

 

[KWCrazy]

And the majority of people who call themselves Christians will tell you that the body and blood of Holy Communion is body and blood, not just a metaphor.

What they believe does not change the structure of the food they are ingesting.

Many Christians will likewise agree with me that the Genesis creation account is an allegory not an historical account.

Of course, they could not point to a single passage of Scripture to support that claim.

 

[throughfiierytrial]

A true failure to understand how science works.

A true scientist worth his salt would find this post laughable

The questions of abiogenesis changes nothing for the fact of evolution.

My husband is a nuclear physicist educated so at CalTech and I can tell you via that acquired knowledge that you and the other evolution-posters here are a farce and that is not laughable it is a pity!

 

[throughfiierytrial]

What they believe does not change the structure of the food they are ingesting.

Of course, they could not point to a single passage of Scripture to support that claim.

Many are called, but few are chosen...there is no power in numbers to say a Christian is correct or in error...consult the Scriptures.

 

[Indent]

My husband is a nuclear physicist educated so at CalTech and I can tell you via that acquired knowledge that you and the other evolution-posters here are a farce and that is not laughable it is a pity!

I understand that even the most zealous evangelical Christian can get a degree. I don't doubt that at all.

It doesn't make him an authority on science or evolution. It's a rather flaccid appeal to authority on your part, however.

Secondly, I find it hard to believe I'd accept the opinion of someone so biased and/or engrossed in fundamentalism. I certainly not persuaded that "My husband's a scientist and he doesn't believe in evolution" to be an argument against evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

In what universe does saying one does not believe a story . . . . such as the lady hope story . . . . equate to making up a story?

In a universe where someone doesn't believe Darwin went to Hell, but doesn't believe in the Lady Hope story either.

What's your story on how Darwin got saved?

 

[smithed64]

I see, so when you disagree with me you are a heretic. I'll try to be kind and not remind you of that all the time.

Did I say because you disagree with me you were a heretic. No.
I said evolution is a heretical teaching. Because that was what we were talking about.

When we disagree. I will say that one of us is wrong and one is right.

 

[KWCrazy]

I certainly not persuaded that "My husband's a scientist and he doesn't believe in evolution" to be an argument against evolution.

We aren't the ones who say things like, "If you don't believe in evolution why are you using a computer?" or "Nothing in science makes any sense without the ToE."

 

[throughfiierytrial]

I understand that even the most zealous evangelical Christian can get a degree. I don't doubt that at all.

It doesn't make him an authority on science or evolution. It's a rather flaccid appeal to authority on your part, however.

Secondly, I find it hard to believe I'd accept the opinion of someone so biased and/or engrossed in fundamentalism. I certainly not persuaded that "My husband's a scientist and he doesn't believe in evolution" to be an argument against evolution.

I'm saying we aren't simply fundamentalists that don't understand the evolutionist "story telling". And CalTech is the toop institute in America and going there means knowing and competing with not only other top scientists in our nation, but in the world...
What's your appeal? You have no logic in your arguments...your own arguments and those of others.

 

[smithed64]

Well I don't have to respect the positions/opinion/ignorance of individuals or churches.

I'd like to think churches have evolved today.

As someone mentioned, this definition of "heresy" runs both ways.

Your right, if you call not preaching the Gospel. Or about the judgment of God. Or about Hell.
Oh yeah, can't forget...can't preach against the act of homosexuality. This is how some churches have evolved....away from God and to the people.

If it's biblical...don't preach it.
If it makes you feel good....yeah go ahead.
The two thoughts above are well known in evolved churches.

I know the church is made up with people...problem is...it isn't about the people...it's about God.

Feelings are only secondary to the true intimacy we find in Christ by obeying his commands and seeking him diligently. Rather happy or sad, beaten, or broken, frustrated or floating, feelings can come and go yet one's consistency in seeking the face of the Lord in all things followed by the courage to honor God despite your feelings, is everlasting.

How does heresy run both ways? Please explain.

 

[Armoured]

Your right, if you call not preaching the Gospel. Or about the judgment of God. Or about Hell.
Oh yeah, can't forget...can't preach against the act of homosexuality. This is how some churches have evolved....away from God and to the people.

If it's biblical...don't preach it.
If it makes you feel good....yeah go ahead.
The two thoughts above are well known in evolved churches.

I know the church is made up with people...problem is...it isn't about the people...it's about God.

Feelings are only secondary to the true intimacy we find in Christ by obeying his commands and seeking him diligently. Rather happy or sad, beaten, or broken, frustrated or floating, feelings can come and go yet one's consistency in seeking the face of the Lord in all things followed by the courage to honor God despite your feelings, is everlasting.

How does heresy run both ways? Please explain.

Does it occur to you that the churches you are railing against believe that they have obeyed Christ and sought him diligently just as sincerely as you do?

 

[smithed64]

Does it occur to you that the churches you are railing against believe that they have obeyed Christ and sought him diligently just as sincerely as you do?

Yes it has occurred to me.

But has it occurred to them that, not preaching the Gospel...is like yelling fire in a pool.

It makes no sense.

We are to Preach the Gospel....deny ourselves....Die to this world and live Christ. For me to die is gain to live is Christ.


Jesus, on the other hand, said, "If anyone would come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me" (Matthew 16:24). Denying ourselves means taking ourselves off the throne of our lives and making Jesus Lord, following Him in obedience and submission. The crazy (as in, crazy-beautiful) thing is that when we follow Him by abiding—staying connected and dependent on Him, He flows HIS joy into us: "These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full" (John 15:24). Denying ourselves and abiding in Jesus leads to a supernatural degree of happiness and joy—but it's not the kind of "God wants you to be happy" we see in Mrs. Osteen's teaching.

There is a massive disconnect between a false god who is all about making ME happy and the true God of the Bible.

 

[Archivist]

What was the title of Darwin's book? That is very telling...he discounted God and he took a lame approach as a scientist...named his book the "Origin of Species" but he concludes nothing about actual origins.

Have you read the book? Darwin never said that evolution was Godless or directionless.