Feed My Sheep

[John Davidson]

In this respect I agree with you. However, I think Jesus was giving Simon a unique role in the Church.

He changed his name, he gave him the keys to the Kingdom, he told him to strengthen the brethren, and he told him to feed his sheep three times. Peter was also given the revelation directly from God about the status of the gentiles in the Church, he gave the first sermon after Pentecost, and he baptized the first gentile convert.

This thread is about feeding the sheep.

It's not about the Roman Catholic Church or the primacy of Peter.

Please do not derail.

 

[John Davidson]

John 4:32 But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.”

Revelation 2:17 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.

Can you please explain how those scriptures relate to this thread?

 

[W2L]

Can you please explain how those scriptures relate to this thread?

I suppose they are relevant only to me. My apologies.

 

[Thursday]

This thread is about feeding the sheep.

It's not about the Roman Catholic Church or the primacy of Peter.

Please do not derail.

You are trying to change the meaning. Peter's charge to feed the sheep is about the Catholic Church.

 

[John Davidson]

You are trying to change the meaning. Peter's charge to feed the sheep is about the Catholic Church.

Only in your mind. The Roman Catholic Church didn't even exist at that time.

Please do not spread your propaganda here and derail this thread.

 

[Thursday]

Only in your mind. The Roman Catholic Church didn't even exist at that time.

Please do not spread your propaganda here and derail this thread.

Of course it existed. It was built by Jesus, led by the apostles, and proclaimed around the world.

I would ask that you not distort scripture by changing the meaning of important passages to suit your own personal understanding.

 

[John Davidson]

Of course it existed. It was built by Jesus, led by the apostles, and proclaimed around the world.

I would ask that you not distort scripture by changing the meaning of important passages to suit your own personal understanding.

Am I distorting the scriptures by saying that all Christians are responsible to minister to God's sheep?

Please, no more Roman Catholic dogma here in my thread.

 

[John Davidson]

I suppose they are relevant only to me. My apologies.

No need to apologize. I was just hoping for a bit of an explanation.

I guess I can see how they relate somewhat because they are referring to the Word of God as food and we are speaking of feeding sheep.

 

[Thursday]

Am I distorting the scriptures by saying that all Christians are responsible to minister to God's sheep?

Please, no more Roman Catholic dogma here in my thread.

Christians are God's sheep. You are distorting scripture if you claim that Jesus didn't establish leaders of his Church and instruct the rest of us to obey their teachings.

 

[~Anastasia~]

With all due respect (and please note that I don't agree with the position of the Catholic Church concerning the Pope and Peter either) - the OP asked what that Scripture meant, presumably to whoever might reply.

If that is how Catholics interpret it, then it is unfair to ask them not to reply, because that wasn't the answer that was wanted, especially since the question was asked in Traditional Theology. The purpose of this forum is civil discussion of our various Traditions.

Please review the Statement of Purpose for TT.

A relevant reminder: Discuss and debate specific topics from your own traditional theological viewpoint, allowing others to do likewise without fear of judgment and condemnation. Do not get sidetracked into debating whether or not another poster's beliefs are right or wrong according to your traditional theological background or viewpoint.

 

[John Davidson]

Christians are God's sheep. You are distorting scripture if you claim that Jesus didn't establish leaders of his Church and instruct the rest of us to obey their teachings.

I never said that there were not leaders in the Church, there clearly were...they were called apostles.

What I do disagree with though is your belief that Peter was the first Pope.

 

[Thursday]

I never said that there were not leaders in the Church, there clearly were...they were called apostles.

What I do disagree with though is your belief that Peter was the first Pope.

Who do you think was the first pope?

 

[John Davidson]

Who do you think was the first pope?

Can we not have this conversation. I created this thread to be edifying so that others would see their need to love God's people. I didn't create it for a discussion of Roman Catholicism.

The first Pope probably came on the scene around four centuries after Christ. The Church did not begin to become Roman Catholic until after the time of Constantine.

 

[Thursday]

Can we not have this conversation. I created this thread to be edifying so that others would see their need to love God's people. I didn't create it for a discussion of Roman Catholicism.

The first Pope probably came on the scene around four centuries after Christ. The Church did not begin to become Roman Catholic until after the time of Constantine.

I'll reply to this at your profile page.

 

[John Davidson]

I'd like to get back to the topic.

I think feeding the sheep goes hand in hand with laying up treasure in heaven.

As we love and serve others God gives us our rewards.

I think this is one of the reasons why Christ emphasized this to Peter, he wanted him to have a great treasure in heaven.

 

[John Davidson]

I was really hoping to get more feedback on this.

 

[Thursday]

I was really hoping to get more feedback on this.

You didn't like the feedback you did get.

 

[Wordkeeper]

I was really hoping to get more feedback on this.

You must understand that the task is of changing a mindset, metanoia, making people 'born again', accept a new world view.

Also understand that the urgings can be understood AND rejected:


1 Corinthians10: 1For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea, 2and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,3and all ate the same spiritual food,4and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they were all drinking from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ. 5But God was not pleased with most of them, for they were cut down in the wilderness.6These things happened as examples for us, so that we will not crave evil things as they did. 7So do not be idolaters, as some of them were. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play.” 8And let us not be immoral, as some of them were, and twenty-three thousand died in a single day. 9And let us not put Christ to the test, as some of them did, and were destroyed by snakes. 10And do not complain, as some of them did, and were killed by the destroying angel.11These things happened to them as examples and were written for our instruction, on whom the ends of the ages have come.

Relevant texts dealing with different aspects of the topic are:

Isaiah 55:2, John 6:27, John 6:32, Psalms 78:19!

Don't you think this charge is to all Christians and not just Peter?

Conversion requires the converter to be himself converted. Many so called Christians aren't themselves converted. You wouldn't charge an alcoholic to convert another alcoholic, would you?

 

[John Davidson]

You didn't like the feedback you did get.

Actually some of it was pretty good but the Peter is pope nonsense I could do without.

 

[John Davidson]

You must understand that the task is of changing a mindset, metanoia, making people 'born again', accept a new world view.

Also understand that the urgings can be understood AND rejected:


1 Corinthians10: 1For I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea, 2and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,3and all ate the same spiritual food,4and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they were all drinking from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ. 5But God was not pleased with most of them, for they were cut down in the wilderness.6These things happened as examples for us, so that we will not crave evil things as they did. 7So do not be idolaters, as some of them were. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play.” 8And let us not be immoral, as some of them were, and twenty-three thousand died in a single day. 9And let us not put Christ to the test, as some of them did, and were destroyed by snakes. 10And do not complain, as some of them did, and were killed by the destroying angel.11These things happened to them as examples and were written for our instruction, on whom the ends of the ages have come.

Relevant texts dealing with different aspects of the topic are:

Isaiah 55:2, John 6:27, John 6:32, Psalms 78:19!



Conversion requires the converter to be himself converted. Many so called Christians aren't themselves converted. You wouldn't charge an alcoholic to convert another alcoholic, would you?

So are you saying that Christians aren't responsible to feed the sheep?