My Roanoke Challenge

[AV1611VET]

And you think asking loaded questions will is an appropriate tool for that task?

That's a loaded question to you?

 

[crjmurray]

As far as I'm concerned, Murray answered it.

Albeit I did notice he left wiggle room for how he worded it.

He didn't say it "disappeared."

Instead, he said it "wasn't there later."

Typical scientific public relations.

That's not wiggle room. That's just describing the method of how people realized it disappeared. What is wrong with you?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

As far as I'm concerned, Murray answered it.

Albeit I did notice he left wiggle room for how he worded it.

He didn't say it "disappeared."

Instead, he said it "wasn't there later."

Typical scientific public relations.

Murray's answer was scientific. It gave only the facts, avoiding assumptions. Some of the theories for what happened to the colony make the word 'disappeared' slightly misleading. E.g. did the colonists join the local tribe? If so, did the colony actually disappear, or were we looking for it in the wrong place?

 

[AV1611VET]

That's not wiggle room. That's just describing the method of how people realized it disappeared. What is wrong with you?

Why do you keep shifting the focus to "the people"?

I'm asking how YOU know.

If YOU know because "the people" know, and you believe "the people," then say so.

"The people," who were there, said they saw Jesus after His resurrection.

I believe "the people."

Yet somehow that's not good enough, is it? (Watch people address this question and not the OP.)

The Bible doesn't say:

One day Jesus was in the tomb -- later He wasn't in the tomb: therefore He resurrected.

The Bible clearly says Jesus walked out under His own power.

You, on the other hand, present your case as follows:

One day Roanoke was there. Then one day Roanoke wasn't there because the people said so.

 

[AV1611VET]

Murray's answer was scientific.

Ya -- no kidding!

 

[crjmurray]

Why do you keep shifting the focus to "the people"?

I'm asking how YOU know.

If YOU know because "the people" know, and you believe "the people," then say so.

"The people," who were there, said they saw Jesus after His resurrection.

I believe "the people."

Yet somehow that's not good enough, is it? (Watch people address this question and not the OP.)

The Bible doesn't say:

One day Jesus was in the tomb -- later He wasn't in the tomb: therefore He resurrected.

The Bible clearly says Jesus walked out under His own power.

You, on the other hand, present your case as follows:

One day Roanoke was there. Then one day Roanoke wasn't there because the people said so.

Looks like the OP has been sufficiently addressed. All this just sounds like General Apologetics.

 

[Goonie]

Looks like the OP has been sufficiently addressed. All this just sounds like General Apologetics.

I told you

 

[quatona]

That's a loaded question to you?

Yep.

 

[durangodawood]

...The challenge is to get an Internet scientist to do something weird:

Convey an answer to a question as it was written.

Now THAT is rude. To dictate that there will not be discussion in a discussion forum.

 

[crjmurray]

Now THAT is rude. To dictate that there will not be discussion in a discussion forum.

Eh, he'll ask for a thread closure before too long. The ultimate form of discouraging discussion.

 

[Chicken Little]

AV so I think you are asking.. I agree. if you are saying some people believe what others think they see now once it is written .
but not records of what others have experienced and recorded .
but yet both are just observations and those records and their assumptions .
so I like the experienced and recorded records best .. and I will take a" But that doesn't mean I must believe that the god Apollo shot arrows of plague into the Greek camps, and that he guided the poisoned arrow that struck Achilles in his heel."
an Apollo and Achilles as not as gods exactly but maybe as original in their form.. and "men of renown" and hero's and ancestors and or their kings or generals of those people, and these stories as their records of them.
and I know that will prove to be more real than what a man today or yesterday thinks he sees because he thinks he is smart.
I think if that is what you are eluding to.. I agree.

 

[AV1611VET]

but not records of what others have experienced and recorded.

Records can be falsified.

 

[Jimmy D]

It's alive!

 

[Goonie]

It's alive!

More like undead.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

More like undead.

And you're showing up as anonymous on the main page for the Physical & Life Sciences forum.

 

[Goonie]

And you're showing up as anonymous on the main page for the Physical & Life Sciences forum.

And so are you

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And so are you

What's going on?

 

[Goonie]

What's going on?

No idea, just a slight bug I suspect.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just don't tell me you can't find 2,000,000 Israelites wandering in the desert during the Exodus, and I won't tell you you can't find the lost colony of Roanoke.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Just don't tell me you can't find 2,000,000 Israelites wandering in the desert during the Exodus, and I won't tell you you can't find the lost colony of Roanoke.

But we have evidence that Roanoke existed, from both English, Spanish and American sources. We do not have any evidence that 2,000,000 Israelities wandered the desert, from anyone at all.