Which Church is THE Church?

[rturner76]

Tradition is what the Catholic Church sees fit to make up.

Yeah, things like the Trinity and other traditions that the Protestant Church has learned from the Catholic Church. The work "trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible yet it is taught as a foundation of Christian faith. Things like this come from Catholic Tradition

 

[civilwarbuff]

Since telepathy or a similar method of doctrinal transmission is not part of the Catholic tradition, the Catholics do not have the knowledge of the apostles either.

Yeah, they been gone for a long time.......Now being led by the Holy Spirit.....that's different....

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I'd say the Eastern Orthodox is closer to the foundation, the Roman Catholic church has blood on its hands and the apple that fell from its tree (protestant denominations and descendants) didn't make the world it cultivated any better.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yeah, they been gone for a long time.......Now being led by the Holy Spirit.....that's different....

Exactly.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yeah, things like the Trinity and other traditions that the Protestant Church has learned from the Catholic Church. The work "trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible yet it is taught as a foundation of Christian faith. Things like this come from Catholic Tradition

Trinity was worked out well before the Roman Catholic Church was even the beginning of an idea....now if you want to say the Church catholic then that is a different matter......

 

[rturner76]

Trinity was worked out well before the Roman Catholic Church was even the beginning of an idea....now if you want to say the Church catholic then that is a different matter......

Same difference. It's what became the Roman Catholic Church

 

[rturner76]

What knowledge is that?

The knowledge of the traditions of the Apostles

 

[civilwarbuff]

Same difference. It's what became the Roman Catholic Church

I think the Eastern Orthodox might disagree with that.....

 

[rturner76]

Since telepathy or a similar method of doctrinal transmission is not part of the Catholic tradition, the Catholics do not have the knowledge of the apostles either.

Yes they do the same way you have knowledge of your religion it was taught

 

[civilwarbuff]

The knowledge of the traditions of the Apostles

What traditions? I have asked this question 20+ times of Catholics and outside of 'Scripture' got nothing. What tradition; from who; when....you gotta have something other than it is what you are told to believe don't you?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes they do the same way you have knowledge of your religion it was taught

Does not follow. Explain your point further.

 

[rturner76]

I think the Eastern Orthodox might disagree with that.....

It;s basically the same church without a Pope and the Priests can marry. Greek instead of Latin They also have Apostolic Succession

 

[rturner76]

Does not follow. Explain your point further.

You learn from your teacher who learns from their teacher who learns from the Apostles

 

[lesliedellow]

Yeah, things like the Trinity and other traditions that the Protestant Church has learned from the Catholic Church. The work "trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible yet it is taught as a foundation of Christian faith. Things like this come from Catholic Tradition

No they don't, they come from the Bible. To quote the Westminster Confession of Faith:

"The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men."

The Trinity falling within the italicised category.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

It;s basically the same church without a Pope and the Priests can marry. Greek instead of Latin They also have Apostolic Succession

I think some orthodox groups might seem the same, but only when the focus on people obeying the rules, otherwise this glazes over differences in the way sin is understood and other important issues.

 

[civilwarbuff]

It;s basically the same church without a Pope and the Priests can marry. Greek instead of Latin They also have Apostolic Succession

Again, they would disagree with you....can you take Communion together?.....I think not.....can a Catholic priest celebrate EO mass.....nope. Alot more between the two than you want to believe.......

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You learn from your teacher who learns from their teacher who learns from the Apostles

I heard about Jesus because I lived in a culture saturated with protestantism, I didn't go to church til much later after hearing about Jesus. When I did find fellowship in a church, their failing was in the area of discipleship ... so I needed to figure out many things on my own. It is quite regrettable, but what can be done?

 

[Job8]

I'd say the Eastern Orthodox is closer to the foundation...

Except that they too adopted many doctrines and practices at variance with the NT. They are the original Catholics.

The Bible does not teach theosis or divinization (as one glaring example). The Bible teaches that the saints will be glorified, and resemble Christ, not become "little gods".

St. Athanasius of Alexandria wrote, "He was incarnate that we might be made god" (Αὐτὸς γὰρ ἐνηνθρώπησεν, ἵνα ἡμεῖς θεοποιηθῶμεν).

St. Maximus the Confessor wrote: "A sure warrant for looking forward with hope to deification of human nature is provided by the Incarnation of God, which makes man God to the same degree as God Himself became man...

 

[civilwarbuff]

You learn from your teacher who learns from their teacher who learns from the Apostles

And if the teacher passes on a fallacy.....?What is it compared against to keep things on track?.....Scripture maybe?........

 

[rturner76]

What traditions? I have asked this question 20+ times of Catholics and outside of 'Scripture' got nothing. What tradition; from who; when....you gotta have something other than it is what you are told to believe don't you?

I honestly don' t know them and never asked. I'm still a pretty new Catholic. The Priests learn them in Seminary and keep learning them until they become a Bishop. Part of it is knowing the words to say when you are doing certain blessings or work in the church I think. Also the more detailed inner workins of the trinity and how salvation works and how sacraments work and all the mysteries of the church