If you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments

[Travis93]

Hello Bob.

Your not under the commandment to not commit adultery.

You are under the law of Christ, to not commit sexual immorality.

These two commandments are different commandments.

Adultery is listed under the Old Covenant (Exodus 20).

Sexual immorality is listed under the New Covenant.

If you tell people that they are under the commandment to not commit adultery,
then you are misleading people.

1 Thessalonians 4
2 For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;

Adultery and sexual immorality are very different words.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Adultery is a valid commandment then and now. There are multiple sexual laws that make up "sexual immorality". See Leviticus 18 for several examples such as incest, marrying two sisters at once, marrying a woman and her mother at once, having sex with a woman on her period, adultery, homosexuality, and bestiality. Being a harlot also forbidden in Deuteronomy 23:17..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Being a harlot also forbidden in Deuteronomy 23:17..

There is also this great divorce in Jeremiah 3.........

Jeremiah3:
8 I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery.
9 Because Israel’s immorality mattered so little to her, she defiled the land and committed adultery with stone and wood.
10 In spite of all this, her unfaithful sister Judah did not return to me with all her heart, but only in pretense,” declares the Lord.

LUKE 16:
27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house,
28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.' "

The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity.
Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35).
He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable. This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!.......

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[klutedavid]

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father (incest with father forbidden) and his mother (incest with mother forbidden), and shall cleave unto his (adultery forbidden) wife (fornication forbidden, homosexuality forbidden): and they shall be one flesh (divorce forbidden).

Hello Travis.

A bizarre interpretation above.

That's my take on the fornication command. I don't see anything about food offered to idols,
that's from Exodus 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a
whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

I agree, waiting for Bugkiller to justify the Noahic claim.

I don't believe in Noahide theology myself, I think once the law was revealed at Sinai that gentiles
must join themselves to Israel to serve God.

I disagree Travis, we both are grafted into the root which is Christ.

All the covenant with Noah provides is that God won't flood the earth again, nothing about
eternal life like was promised to the people of Israel in Daniel 12:1-2 or a part in the new covenant
promised to Judah and Israel only in Jeremiah 31:31-40.

The Jews and Gentiles are both offered salvation only through the New Covenant.
The Old Covenant is no longer applicable.

 

[Travis93]

Hello Travis.

A bizarre interpretation above.

I agree, waiting for Bugkiller to justify the Noahic claim.

I disagree Travis, we both are grafted into the root which is Christ.

The Jews and Gentiles are both offered salvation only through the New Covenant.
The Old Covenant is no longer applicable.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah only, no unconverted gentiles. And it isn't here yet, all people will know God when it happens (Jeremiah 31:34), so there will be no need for missionaries.

As for my interpretation of Genesis 2:24 I will try to explain more. God defines marriage here.

Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
This tells us a man doesn't join with his own mother or father, forbidding incest.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
It's "his" wife, not anyone else's, so adultery is forbidden.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
It's his "wife", not his husband, so homosexuality is forbidden.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
If they are one flesh, they should't get divorced. Jesus explains his views on divorce with the same verse here.
Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

 

[klutedavid]

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Incorrect Travis, a brand New Covenant in His blood has already
been implemented. Yet Israel and Judah chose to reject it and they
have been severed.

 

[Travis93]

Incorrect Travis, a brand New Covenant in His blood has already
been implemented. Yet Israel and Judah chose to reject it and they
have been severed.

God will never sever Israel and Judah.

Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jeremiah 31:37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

If the new covenant is here, why do people still have to teach others to love God?
Jeremiah 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Did this happen yet?
Jeremiah 31:40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the Lord; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Incorrect Travis, a brand New Covenant in His blood has already
been implemented. Yet Israel and Judah chose to reject it and they
have been severed.

God also took their OC Temple, Sanctuary, High Priesthood and Sacrifices away as prophecied....

Luke 1:
8 And it came to pass, in his acting as priest, in the order of his course before God, 9 according to the custom of the priesthood, his lot was to make perfume, having gone into the Sanctuary of the LORD 10 and all the multitude of the people were praying without, at the hour of the perfume. 11 And there appeared to him a messenger of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of the perfume,

Matthew 26:3
Then were gathered together the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders of the people, to the Court/Fold of the chief priest who was called Caiaphas

Note the Court being measured and those inside the Sanctuary in Reve 11 before the fall of Jerusalem in 70ad.....Pretty fascianting

http://www.christianforums.com/t7272732-6/#post48193672
The Court in Revelation 11:2

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like as a rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary of the God and the Altar and those worshipping in those
2 and the Court/Fold outside of the Sanctuary be thou casting-out! out-side and no it thou should be measuring that it was given to the Nations,
and the holy City they shall be trampling forty two months.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah.................

.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took, a. survey of the City and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"
After this he commanded that the City should be commanded razed to its foundations,.......

Luke 19:44
and they shall be leveling Thee and the offspring of Thee in Thee.
And not they shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee stead which not thou knew the time of the visitation of Thee

Reve 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great, the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".



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[BABerean2]

The new covenant is for Israel and Judah only, no unconverted gentiles. And it isn't here yet, all people will know God when it happens (Jeremiah 31:34), so there will be no need for missionaries.

Have you also cut the Book of Hebrews out of your Bible in order to make your doctrine work?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (This text is repeated from Jeremiah chapter 31.)

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


There is no need for missionaries for those of us who have entered into the New Covenant, because the Holy Spirit from God dwells inside of us and is our teacher.

Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.




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[bugkiller]

Bob Ryan,

Are you drawing a paycheck from any of the Seventh Day Adventist organizations.

I believe BobRyan is an SDA pastor. So the answer must be in the affirmative.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Hello Bugkiller.

On the topic of Acts 15, apostles instruction or decrees to the Gentile churches.

You made the claim.

You will need to support your claim with the evidence, Bugkiller.

All I saw in Genesis 9, was the following.

1) No prohibition against eating food sacrificed to idols.

2) A prohibition against murder.

3) A prohibition against eating meat with the blood in it.

Where is food sacrificed to idols and fornication in the Noahic covenant?

Gen 9 does not deal with idols as Noah is a man of God. All others except his immediate family are dead. There is no indication any of them were idol worshipers. There was no need to address the subject.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Hello Bob.

Your not under the commandment to not commit adultery.

You are under the law of Christ, to not commit sexual immorality.

These two commandments are different commandments.

Adultery is listed under the Old Covenant (Exodus 20).

Sexual immorality is listed under the New Covenant.

If you tell people that they are under the commandment to not commit adultery,
then you are misleading people.

1 Thessalonians 4
2 For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;

Adultery and sexual immorality are very different words.

Yes but both are sexual immorality. Adultery is a specific while sexual immorality is a general phrase covering adultery.

Yer swallowing camels whole while straining a gnats.

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I believe BobRyan is an SDA pastor. So the answer must be in the affirmative.

bugkiller

I wonder if they all drive"prophesy buses" that this one SDA Pastor rode around in.
He was interviewed by one of our own CF members, Pythons.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/interview-of-sda-pastor-septic-tank-ministry.7407073/

QUOTE="Pythons, post: 53108360, member: 215149"]I conducted this interview myself after seeing this bus parked close to where I work in Seattle. He seemed like a nice man who is very serious about the Pope stealing the Sabbath, etc. My next interview with him will be on the 1844 subject.

Enjoy.

Video review of the exterior of the Bus

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[bugkiller]

I wonder if they all drive"prophesy buses" that this one SDA Pastor rode around in.
He was interviewed by one of our own CF members, Pythons.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/interview-of-sda-pastor-septic-tank-ministry.7407073/

QUOTE="Pythons, post: 53108360, member: 215149"]I conducted this interview myself after seeing this bus parked close to where I work in Seattle. He seemed like a nice man who is very serious about the Pope stealing the Sabbath, etc. My next interview with him will be on the 1844 subject.

Enjoy.

Video review of the exterior of the Bus

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I spoke to him in person, myself. He uses SDA literature bur I don't think he's actually affiliated with the organization. He was very interested in establishing independent groups/churches.

bugkiller

 

[Original Happy Camper]

"BABerean2 said: ↑
Bob Ryan,

Are you drawing a paycheck from any of the Seventh Day Adventist organizations."

Is this an Issue that needs to be identified? If so why.

 

[bugkiller]

"BABerean2 said: ↑
Bob Ryan,

Are you drawing a paycheck from any of the Seventh Day Adventist organizations."

Is this an Issue that needs to be identified? If so why.

I see you're new here. Welcome. Just read many posts and you will know why.

bugkiller

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Hello Bob.

1 Thessalonians 4
2 For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;

Adultery and sexual immorality are very different words.

1 Thessalonians 4 King James Version (KJV)
2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3 For this is the wxxill of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

1 Thessalonians 4 New International Version (NIV)

3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality;
4 that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable
5 not in passionate lust like the pagans who do not know God
6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister.
7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.

I am assuming that you quoted from the NIV for this post. Why would you utilize a translation that deletes most of verse six and is based on the translation work of Westcott and Hort know followers of Darwin and the occult????

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I see you're new here. Welcome. Just read many posts and you will know why.

bugkiller

Thanks

Please answer my question. are Pastors, Priests, elders deacons nt allowed on this site?

 

[BABerean2]

Thanks

Please answer my question. are Pastors, Priests, elders deacons nt allowed on this site?

Shut Door Documents from the estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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[Original Happy Camper]

Shut Door Documents from the estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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Back atcha
http://sdaforme.com/_blog/SDA_For_Me_Blog/post/5_Questions_for_Dale_Ratzlaff/

 

[BobRyan]

Back atcha
http://sdaforme.com/_blog/SDA_For_Me_Blog/post/5_Questions_for_Dale_Ratzlaff/

Careful - Dale is not very good at "questions"