What are included in the "Commandments of God" in the actual Bible?

[BobRyan]

More Bible help - on knowing what is included in "God's Commandments" - according to the Bible.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

"love Me and KEEP My commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12




Notice that in 1 John 3:4 and in Romans 3:19-21 sin is defined by the LAW of God still in the NT not just in the OT and that the ceremonial laws were not given to define sin for gentiles in the OT - but the moral law according to Romans 3 and Galatians 3 condemns the entire world - still - to this very day.

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"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.


Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is THE Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through THE Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless THE law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Ten Commandments -- "The Word of God" -- "The Commandment of God" - "Moses Said"

Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said,
“‘You shall not murder,’
‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’
‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

God's Commandment... Word of God... Moses Said

Rom 2
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?

Notice here in Revelations chapter 1
It requires no effort on our part.
Revelations chapter 1

It is a nice chapter - I think we can all agree to that.

Notice how John defines the Love of God and of God's children??


1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Is this shocking for you???

 

[disciple1]

More Bible help - on knowing what is included in "God's Commandments" - according to the Bible.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;
9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by THE Law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of THE Law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

"love Me and KEEP My commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12




Notice that in 1 John 3:4 and in Romans 3:19-21 sin is defined by the LAW of God still in the NT not just in the OT and that the ceremonial laws were not given to define sin for gentiles in the OT - but the moral law according to Romans 3 and Galatians 3 condemns the entire world - still - to this very day.

==================

"what matters is KEEPiNG the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"Do we then make VOID the Law by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish THE Law" Rom 3:31

1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.


Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is THE Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through THE Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless THE law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Ten Commandments -- "The Word of God" -- "The Commandment of God" - "Moses Said"

Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said,
“‘You shall not murder,’
‘You shall not commit adultery,’
‘You shall not steal,’
‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

God's Commandment... Word of God... Moses Said

Rom 2
21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?



It is a nice chapter - I think we can all agree to that.

Notice how John defines the Love of God and of God's children??


1 John 5:1-4 (NKJV)
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Is this shocking for you???

If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

 

[BobRyan]

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

Well that sort of guesswork will not hold up to the "Sola Scriptura" test -- and we all know it.

Most impressively - so also do many pro-sunday scholars know it.

They know that the Ten Commandments were not deleted by Lev 19:18 or Deut 6:5 in either the OT or the NT.

Nor is there a NT text saying 'these two laws delete the OT, delete scripture, delete the commandments of God.."

Eph 6:2 the text many might prefer to religiously avoid says --> "Honor your father and Mother - which is the FIRST commandment with a promise"

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

===============================================

So then here is the answer to our OP question -- what are included in "God's Commandments" in the following examples??

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" --

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

The answer is easy -- when one does not dismiss Bible details.

Rom 3:31 "31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

And of course - Bible details matter.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

And does that include the Law to not take God's name in vain?

And to honor one's father and mother - the law where the 5th commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise".?? Eph 6:2.

Question - what law still binding on mankind today - includes the 5th commandment as the "FIRST commandment with a promise"??

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

 

[BobRyan]

Don't look to Hebrew scriptures for commandments applicable to salvation by Grace through Faith! Mark 7 is a classic example. Don't erase the free Gift of God in favor of works.

What scripture is Christ quoting in Mark 7?


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

"Commandment of God" = "Moses said" = "Word of God" according to Christ in Mark 7.




Gal 1:6-9 there is only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:7 that Gospel was preached to Abraham
Jer 31:31-33 the NEW COVENANT "I will write MY LAW on their heart and mind".

 

[BobRyan]

@bob Ryan

You believe that the day of rest was changed for Sunday?

Explain Who, when, where, what, why and how it got changed?

.

God's Law cannot be edited or changed or deleted by man-made-tradition.

Christ makes this point clear in Mark 7:6-13.

But that does not mean that man-made tradition does not try to do it.

 

[bugkiller]

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

And you think that means God could not replace that covenant.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

What scripture is Christ quoting in Mark 7?


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

"Commandment of God" = "Moses said" = "Word of God" according to Christ in Mark 7.




Gal 1:6-9 there is only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:7 that Gospel was preached to Abraham
Jer 31:31-33 the NEW COVENANT "I will write MY LAW on their heart and mind".

Taking things out context changing their meaning as usual.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

God's Law cannot be edited or changed or deleted by man-made-tradition.

Christ makes this point clear in Mark 7:6-13.

But that does not mean that man-made tradition does not try to do it.

It wasn't changed, it was replaced.

bugkiller

 

[Winken]

Mark 7, written to the Jews in Rome.......

7 Howbeit in vain do they (the Jews) worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye (Jews) hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye (Jews) do. 9 And he said unto them (the Jews), Full well ye (Jews) reject the commandment of God, that ye (Jews) may keep your own (Jewish) tradition.
10 For Moses said (to you Jews), Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye (Jews) say, If a (Jewish) man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou (a Jew) mightest be profited by me; he (the Jewish man) shall be free. 12 And ye (Jews) suffer him (the Jew) no more to do ought for his (Jewish) father or his mother; 13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your (Jewish) tradition, which ye (Jews) have delivered: and many such like things do ye (Jews).

"Commandment of God" = "Moses said" = "Word of God" according to Christ in Mark 7.= Salvation by Grace through Faith in the Christian Covenant (the Letters of Paul).

 

[BobRyan]

It wasn't changed, it was replaced.

bugkiller

Man made tradition --- again??

 

[BobRyan]

Mark 7, written to the Jews in Rome.......

7 Howbeit in vain do they (the Jews) worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye (Jews) hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye (Jews) do. 9 And he said unto them (the Jews), Full well ye (Jews) reject the commandment of God, that ye (Jews) may keep your own (Jewish) tradition.
10 For Moses said (to you Jews), Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye (Jews) say, If a (Jewish) man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou (a Jew) mightest be profited by me; he (the Jewish man) shall be free. 12 And ye (Jews) suffer him (the Jew) no more to do ought for his (Jewish) father or his mother; 13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your (Jewish) tradition, which ye (Jews) have delivered: and many such like things do ye (Jews).

"Commandment of God" = "Moses said" = "Word of God" according to Christ in Mark 7.= Salvation by Grace through Faith in the Christian Covenant (the Letters of Paul).

New Covenant Jer 31:31-33 "I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind"
New Covenant Hebrews 8:6-10 "I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind"
Rom 3:31 "Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"

Not working out very well for the law-denier option.

 

[bugkiller]

Man made tradition --- again??

NOPE111 God's promise and testimony.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

Well that sort of guesswork will not hold up to the "Sola Scriptura" test -- and we all know it.

Most impressively - so also do many pro-sunday scholars know it.

They know that the Ten Commandments were not deleted by Lev 19:18 or Deut 6:5 in either the OT or the NT.

Nor is there a NT text saying 'these two laws delete the OT, delete scripture, delete the commandments of God.."

Eph 6:2 the text many might prefer to religiously avoid says --> "Honor your father and Mother - which is the FIRST commandment with a promise"

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about first commandment in Gal 5:14 "with a promise"??? -- No! not that one either.

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

 

[BobRyan]

NOPE111 God's promise and testimony.

bugkiller

Just not in real life -- and not according to the actual Bible.

 

[bugkiller]

New Covenant Jer 31:31-33 "I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind"
New Covenant Hebrews 8:6-10 "I will write MY LAWS on their heart and mind"
Rom 3:31 "Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! IN fact we ESTABLISH the LAW of God"

Not working out very well for the law-denier option.

Nope! because we believe the full sentence.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Just not in real life -- and not according to the actual Bible.

Yes according to the actual Bible you reject.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

did too

(And thus ends the Bible study with bugkiller)

 

[Travis93]

Mark 7, written to the Jews in Rome.......

7 Howbeit in vain do they (the Jews) worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye (Jews) hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye (Jews) do. 9 And he said unto them (the Jews), Full well ye (Jews) reject the commandment of God, that ye (Jews) may keep your own (Jewish) tradition.
10 For Moses said (to you Jews), Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye (Jews) say, If a (Jewish) man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou (a Jew) mightest be profited by me; he (the Jewish man) shall be free. 12 And ye (Jews) suffer him (the Jew) no more to do ought for his (Jewish) father or his mother; 13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your (Jewish) tradition, which ye (Jews) have delivered: and many such like things do ye (Jews).

"Commandment of God" = "Moses said" = "Word of God" according to Christ in Mark 7.= Salvation by Grace through Faith in the Christian Covenant (the Letters of Paul).

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The "that's just for Jews" excuse doesn't work, the disciples were to relay all of Jesus's commandments he taught in his life to the world.

 

[disciple1]

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

Well that sort of guesswork will not hold up to the "Sola Scriptura" test -- and we all know it.

Most impressively - so also do many pro-sunday scholars know it.

They know that the Ten Commandments were not deleted by Lev 19:18 or Deut 6:5 in either the OT or the NT.

Nor is there a NT text saying 'these two laws delete the OT, delete scripture, delete the commandments of God.."

Eph 6:2 the text many might prefer to religiously avoid says --> "Honor your father and Mother - which is the FIRST commandment with a promise"

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

===============================================

So then here is the answer to our OP question -- what are included in "God's Commandments" in the following examples??

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" --

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

The answer is easy -- when one does not dismiss Bible details.

Rom 3:31 "31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

And of course - Bible details matter.



And does that include the Law to not take God's name in vain?

And to honor one's father and mother - the law where the 5th commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise".?? Eph 6:2.

Question - what law still binding on mankind today - includes the 5th commandment as the "FIRST commandment with a promise"??

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

Your trying to say I said things I didn't.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[JackRT]

There is only one passage in the bible that self identifies as "the ten commandments". That is Exodus 34:4-27. I have never been tempted to break the tenth commandment “Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.”