Certainty Jesus Returns No Later than 2023

[doright]

Uhhh....if there was a rapture alls you would have to do is count 7 yrs and you would know when Christ would return. But anyone who knows the scriptures knows theres nose rap t sure.

THAT IS EXACTLY HOW SATAN KNOWS WHEN TO BRING ALL THE ARMYS OF THE WORLD TOGETHER TO TRY TO STOP CHRIST AT HIS RETURN

 

[doright]

Satan is the one God didn't want to know when he will come for the church,

because Satan would try to stop it and maybe cause a lot of trouble

he will know exactly when Christ will return and be there with the armys of the world to try and stop him

 

[zeke37]

Dont we (or the world) have to get chipped up first? The mark of the beast?

ummm no.
the mark of the beast is kin to the mark of God...
both are put in the same places

it was not literal/physical in Ex13/Deut6 and Deut11, with regards to God,
so why would it be literal/physical in the end?


in the same non physical way, the elect are sealed with the seal of God

neither the mark or seal of God and the mark of the beast are a physical/literal marks or chips



please read Ex13. Deut6 and Deut11 again, and note "where" the mark of God is placed.


then you will knnow "where" the mark of the beast is placed.

I suppose I was thinking of Matthew 24 when I said that. There going to be signs, isn't there?

all through the OT and NT we are given prophesy and signs about the end times, latter days.

this is one biggy that i disagree with Amils about.

 

[WailingWall]

Yeah
I believe Zeke37 is right on the mark.

REV.14 [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

above scripture sign – hand - forehead (between the eyes) - cup of indignation – the bad guys
below scriptures sign – hand - between thine eyes (forehead) - the LORDS LAW – the good guys

EXOD.13 [9] And it shall be for a SIGN unto thee UPON THINE HAND, and for A MEMORIAL BETWEEN THINE EYES, that the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

DEUT.6 [2] That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and HIS COMMANDMENTS, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.[3] Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.[4]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: [5]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. [6]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: [7]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. [8]And thou shalt bind them for A SIGN UPON THINE HAND, and they shall be as FRONTLETS BETWEEN THINE EYES.

 

[Joe Green]

Just goes to show you dreams can be deceptive. You are most susceptible when you have a passive mind for the evil spirits to enter, and the most passive time is when you are asleep.

You may have had a bean dream!

 

[Douggg]

You may have had a bean dream!

well for 2023 to take place as the not later than, the 7 years will have to start sometime this year 2016. Not likely.

1967+70 = 2037

2037 - 7 years not later than, the 7 years will start, between now and then, it is not predictable when.

 

[Luke17:37]

The devil only gets 42 months of power (Revelation 13).

Christ will appear for the church no later than 2015, but likely 2014 or even 2013.

He will come on the clouds with the church 3 1/2 years after that, giving the devil 42 months to rule the earth.

Israel will be 70 years old in 6 years - 2018. Christ will be reigning by then.

Mark. Your theories didn't make it. Jesus says the generation who sees all these things (Matthew 24:33) -- that is, the events of Matthew 24:4-28 -- will not die out before they see His post-Tribulation return and the gathering of the elect (Matthew 24:29-31). It has nothing to do with Israel becoming a nation again. And nowhere does the Bible say that Christians will be taken off the earth without death before the Tribulation. Jesus will stay in heaven until the time comes for Him to restore all things (Acts 3:21).

 

[Straightshot]

"Your theories didn't make it. Jesus says the generation who sees all these things (Matthew 24:33) -- that is, the events of Matthew 24:4-28 -- will not die out before they see His post-Tribulation return and the gathering of the elect (Matthew 24:29-31). It has nothing to do with Israel becoming a nation again."


Anyone who adventures to set dating for the Lord's next intervention will always be wrong .... He has not revealed this information is scripture

On the other hand Luke .... tell the forum about Matthew 24 .... to whom or what is this passage of scripture addressed?

Give your verse by verse rendering

 

[dfw69]

Yeah
I believe Zeke37 is right on the mark.

REV.14 [9] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,[10] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

above scripture sign – hand - forehead (between the eyes) - cup of indignation – the bad guys
below scriptures sign – hand - between thine eyes (forehead) - the LORDS LAW – the good guys

EXOD.13 [9] And it shall be for a SIGN unto thee UPON THINE HAND, and for A MEMORIAL BETWEEN THINE EYES, that the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

DEUT.6 [2] That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and HIS COMMANDMENTS, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.[3] Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.[4]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: [5]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. [6]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: [7]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. [8]And thou shalt bind them for A SIGN UPON THINE HAND, and they shall be as FRONTLETS BETWEEN THINE EYES.

The lords law was also physical and written on parchment for people to handle and read as we do today....same could be true of the mark of the beast written on parchment 666 commandments or 616 commandments as I believe

 

[dfw69]

Anyone who adventures to set dating for the Lord's next intervention will always be wrong .... He has not revealed this information in scripture

Do you not believe God can and will reveal all things to his people?

1 Corinthians 2:9-12

Matthew 13:11

The new covenant was not revealed before but Jesus came to reveal it and now we have it

Same would be true of the rapture

.. I looked to the accounts of the Jewish people while in Egypt for inspiration... Moses was send to them to free them from the powers of pharaoh .... then 10 plagues fell upon Israel enemies.... Moses also revealed to his people the way of salvation from the plague of death of the firstborn ....then Moses lead his people out of Egypt through the Red Sea ... Then God presence appeared by a pillar of fire by night and a pillar of smoke by day lead them to the holy mountain where they became one with the father

Same thing will happen when the rapture happens only our journey will be towards heaven ... He will send his resurrected saints to gather us out of Egypt ie this world to split heaven and earth realm to take us to his holy mount Zion in heaven to be his people forever ...

Only we much be changed from mortal to immortal first to enter into the spiritual world of heaven ... One day will will put on Christ body to be like he is in glory ... We will put on as clothes his glory he has already recieved to be like him.... It's a gift for our faith in him

 

[Straightshot]

"Do you not believe God can and will reveal all things to his people?"


The Lord can do anything .... make no mistake about it

But He has intentionally not revealed the dating of His next intervention into the affairs of humanity

 

[dfw69]

"Do you not believe God can and will reveal all things to his people?"


The Lord can do anything .... make no mistake about it

But He has intentionally not revealed the dating of His next intervention into the affairs of humanity

I agree ...

 

[Waterwerx]

Setting dates for the Lord's return is foolishness and arrogant. Jesus Himself said He did not know of that specific hour and day, yet we still have these fools who come forward with dates portending the time of His return.

The generation that lives to see Israel become a nation with the other associated signs is still quite ambiguous. Jesus is obviously referring to a specific generation. There could be millions of people or there could be just one individual left of this generation when it occurs. You can define a generation as being "x" number of years, but that doesn't mean nobody from that generation will be alive after "x" years have passed.
"Lives to see"? Does this include comprehension with respect to understanding that a nation called Israel has been reformed or does it include the people who were born in 1946-48 and wouldn't have really understood it or heard about it at the time?

All we can do is watch, and knowing that with Israel back in part of their land as a nation in conjunction with what is going on in the world today, that we are in the season. As the signs & symptoms of the season progress, we arbitrarily grow closer to His return without any clear indicators as to when exactly it will happen.

Both Satan and Jesus know the Bible inside and out, with Jesus being the wiser. If neither of them know not of that hour and day, it is just abject stupidity for people to try and extrapolate dates from Scripture or other useless guesswork.

 

[Straightshot]

I agree with the above assessment

The only adjustment I would make is that the Lord does now know after His ascension .... there are many scriptures that tell of this fact .... the subject is a bit complex

At any rate ..... He is not talking about it

 

[dfw69]

Setting dates for the Lord's return is foolishness and arrogant. Jesus Himself said He did not know of that specific hour and day, yet we still have these fools who come forward with dates portending the time of His return.

You should not call people thou fools you could be in danger of hell fire judgement with that attitude towards humanity

The generation that lives to see Israel become a nation with the other associated signs is still quite ambiguous. Jesus is obviously referring to a specific generation. There could be millions of people or there could be just one individual left of this generation when it occurs. You can define a generation as being "x" number of years, but that doesn't mean nobody from that generation will be alive after "x" years have passed.
"Lives to see"? Does this include comprehension with respect to understanding that a nation called Israel has been reformed or does it include the people who were born in 1946-48 and wouldn't have really understood it or heard about it at the time?

All we can do is watch, and knowing that with Israel back in part of their land as a nation in conjunction with what is going on in the world today, that we are in the season. As the signs & symptoms of the season progress, we arbitrarily grow closer to His return without any clear indicators as to when exactly it will happen.

Both Satan and Jesus know the Bible inside and out, with Jesus being the wiser. If neither of them know not of that hour and day, it is just abject stupidity for people to try and extrapolate dates from Scripture or other useless guesswork.

is it not possible Jesus at that time that they asked him did not know the day or hour but now that he is in heaven at the right hand of god knows the day and hour by now and is able to reveal it to whomever he wishes?....

Before he went up they asked him now will you restore the kingdom on earth and he did not say "I don't know" but instead said "it is not for you to know" ...

I seriously doubt the lord does not know the day or hour ... He revealed all the information we have to John about the end of days in revelation and surly he knows the day and hour by now

If Jesus did not want us to know the events of the end of days he would not have given us The book of Revelation

 

[Waterwerx]

You should not call people thou fools you could be in danger of hell fire judgement



is it not possible Jesus at that time that they asked him did not know the day or hour but now that he is in heaven at the right hand of god knows the day and hour by now and is able to reveal it to whomever he wishes?....

Before he went up they asked him now will you restore the kingdom on earth and he did not say "I don't know" but instead said "it is not for you to know" ...

I seriously doubt the lord does not know the day or hour ... He revealed all the information we have to John about the end of days in revelation and surly he knows the day and hour by now

Matthew 24:36 specifically says only the Father. I reiterate, date-setters are fools, which is putting it nicely.

 

[dfw69]

Matthew 24:36 specifically says only the Father. I reiterate, date-setters are fools, which is putting it nicely.

So when God decides to sends us prophets to warn us you will call them fools too no doubt

 

[Waterwerx]

So when God decides to sends us prophets to warn us you will call them fools too no doubt

Are you not comprehending the Scripture I just referenced? Try scrolling over it, Matthew 24:36 in my post and read it. God is not going to be sending prophets to proclaim the date of His return beforehand. They will be preaching repentance and His imminent return.

If you like setting dates, then keep right on at it. In the end it will make you look foolish like the many other date-setters in the past.

 

[Douggg]

Uhhh....if there was a rapture alls you would have to do is count 7 yrs and you would know when Christ would return. But anyone who knows the scriptures knows theres nose rap t sure.

Well, the pre-trib rapture, mis-labled, actually means pre-70th week, in theory could happen years before the 7 years begin.

The rapture aside. The confirming of the covenant for 7 years is a definite countdown starting point - day 1 till Jesus's return 7 years later.

Thus, if a person were to think a post trib rapture to happen on the day that Jesus returns, then starting at day 1, a person could know almost the exact day - 7 years in advance in the post trib view.

Another possibility is that the church is here when the confirming of the covenant takes place. Which would mean that the rapture did not take place pre-70th week. So there begins the great falling away from Christianity - because people will be convinced that the messiah (the Antichrist) is the true messiah, and that their belief in Jesus was a mistake.

What we don't know, on the seven year timeline, is when the person commits the transgression of desolation, in 2thessalonians2:3-4. We can know approximately because 1335 days from when the abomination of desolation is setup to be worshiped, Jesus will return. Which the abomination of desolation would be setup on day 1185.

So the transgression of desolation would have to take place sometime before and near day 1185. The rapture has to take place sometime at least before the transgression of desolation takes place - the act takes place sometime in the middle part of the seven years, a couple of months before the exact mid-point.

So when we see those things start to happen; that is, the confirming of the covenant, and the great falling away from Christianity, we can know for absolute certain that the rapture is near. It is also possible that the rapture could happen today.

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[dfw69]

Are you not comprehending the Scripture I just referenced? Try scrolling over it, Matthew 24:36 in my post and read it. God is not going to be sending prophets to proclaim the date of His return beforehand. They will be preaching repentance and His imminent return.

If you like setting dates, then keep right on at it. In the end it will make you look foolish like the many other date-setters in the past.

I do not date set the return to earth because I don't know ... But I believe his Holy Spirit will be poured out in those days and we will begin to prophecy and dream dreams and see visions again of things to come

i do believe the rapture can be found in the events of Jesus ressurection and Ascension and the counting down of jubilees but I know that is just a theory ... To have theories is foolish?... Ok if that is what you believe ..

As for sending prophets in the future we know 1444000 will be sealed and Enoch and Elijah comes before the terrible day of the lord ... So at least 7 years of warnings signs and wonders even angels flying overhead preaching the gospel and warning of Babylon destruction and warning gods people to come out of Babylon and angels warning against taking the mark of the beast ...