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STILL no actual evidence FOR creation
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I started with Adam, then went to 1 Chronicles, and finished with Matthew.
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TLK Valentine
I've already read the books you want burned.
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But if you operated independently from Ussher, how did you know when to put Adam's creation?
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You started from Ussher's conclusion? No wonder you got a similar date.
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And when God destroys it in the end with "fervent heat," as Peter put it, what will that be?
Is He 'sovereignly guiding and directing' it to sudden destruction?
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Yes.
He is Sovereign. He does what He wills and you have no say in the matter.
Do you understand what grace is? If you do, you'll understand God's sovereignty. If you don't understand grace, you will fight against God's sovereignty.
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Well, as you might already know from my religious affiliation, I do not believe the earth is going to be literally destroyed, only the old system of the world. But whatever his will is regarding anything, it is up to him alone.
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Is the snark really necessary?
No, you did not say that, nor did I say that you did.
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... and God saw that it was good.
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The same old question: What kind of evidence you like to see?
I don't think you know what you are looking for.
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Then why do Christians throughout history try to cajole Him through intercessory prayer?
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1) Prayer reveals God's grace. (This may be a concept you do not understand.)
2) Prayer changes the person who prays. It puts us in sync with God.
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You seem to have no grasp of grace.
No human knows the ordinances of God. We can seek Him to act on our behalf. If it fits within His ordinance He may grant it. If it does not fit within His ordinance, He will not grant it. Either act of His Sovereign will shall bring about a blessing that changes us to be more sanctified.
This seems to be something you cannot grasp as you do not grasp the concept of grace.
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So you're saying that it is possible, through prayer, to compel or cajole God to act in such a way that He would not have done but for the prayer?
And if I may go back to a previous gem of yours:
Meaning that every time someone says that they're going to pray for me or some other nonbeliever, (which occasionally happens after they get their posterior handed to them in these forums), it has nothing to do with the person being prayed for and everything to do with person praying... which, honestly, I sort of figured out already.
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I'm saying that we are told to pray, but God will sovereignly determine His own action to our prayer. God will not act against His own will to appease our tears.
I can ask God to open your eyes and unstops your ears and break your pride, but if it is not according to His sovereign will, He will simply say, no.
What will happen is I will be tuned in to God's will by praying and seeing what He chooses to do. I have seen prayers answered 20 + years later, so I just trust God in all things.
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