Donald Trump is a Threat to America

[expos4ever]

It's not much more complicated than that,....

I suggest that it's not much more complicated than the question of whether an immature - and I mean petulant child immature - narcissist should occupy the highest office in the land. It is, frankly, inconceivable to me that Americans would vote for this person. Yes, Clinton certainly appears to lack moral fiber. But let's be reasonable.

I understand that many Americans feel put upon. And for good reason no doubt in many cases. But the answer is certainly not to burn down the house.

 

[expos4ever]

All you have with Trump is a host of establishment, professional politicians, telling you to worry...

Surely ye jest. We have a literal laundry list of behaviours that demonstrate that Mr. Trump is emotionally immature and egotistical to a fault.

 

[farout]

Even many Republicans agree: Donald Trump is a threat to America. Is anybody here voting for him?

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/07...-that-the-gop-nominee-is-a-threat-to-america/

Both Clinton and Trump are very poor choices and each pose a potential threat in their own ways. A voter must decide which of these very poor choices they must angrily cast their against the other running. So I am voting against Clinton by voting for a really rich rude man who is buying the office of president.

This is the worst choices we have ever had! A dishonest pro death to children in the womb, woman, and a rich spoiled ill mannered, hot tempered, rude, crude, pushy man.

I think there were other well qualified women and men who could and should have run. But a few very wealthy few are controlling our elections and someday there will be a uprising by the people of our country who are sick and tired of the way people are chosen to run.

 

[Albion]

I suggest that it's not much more complicated than the question of whether an immature - and I mean petulant child immature - narcissist....

Some people complain when I don't post the whole of their statement, even though by putting the four dots after the last word it correctly indicates that the whole statement was longer and that the part I have no interest in reading has been omitted. Get back to me sometime when you have something to say that is worth reading to the end.

 

[expos4ever]

I didn't expect you to. I've read many of your posts on the choice. If I were voting — although Mrs Clinton does not seem the ideal president — I would have no doubt that she should have my vote.

I agree. Like you, I get no vote (Canadian). But notwithstanding the obvious and serious flaws of Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump take things to a new level of ridiculousness. And he and his supporters almost seem to revel in the shameful embarrassment of it all.

Many people appear to me to be taking a perverse delight in rushing headlong to embrace inanity. It is almost as if people are thinking "the more unqualified, bigoted, and immature my candidate, the more my vote for him will express my outrage at 'Washington as usual' politics".

Well, you (and unfortunately the rest of the world) will need to live with the fruit of your outrage for four long years.

 

[Albion]

Both Clinton and Trump are very poor choices and each pose a potential threat in their own ways. A voter must decide which of these very poor choices they must angrily cast their against the other running. So I am voting against Clinton by voting for a really rich rude man who is buying the office of president.

This is the worst choices we have ever had! A dishonest pro death to children in the womb, woman, and a rich spoiled ill mannered, hot tempered, rude, crude, pushy man.

I think there were other well qualified women and men who could and should have run. But a few very wealthy few are controlling our elections and someday there will be a uprising by the people of our country who are sick and tired of the way people are chosen to run.

Good points. I think there's something else going on here, too. People wonder why, of all the office holders in the USA, the field in both parties is made up of so few people. This year we had a larger than normal number in the GOP, but each of them had some serious weaknesses. And as for the Democrats--what a joke. And it's been this way for quite a few elections, at least since the late 20th century.

But why aren't better ones running? I think that it is in part because you have to work all the time to flatter the people who can make a 500 million dollar campaign succeed, be on the campaign trail for two years almost without letup, debate formally up to as many as fifteen or so times, etc. etc. It's out of hand, and too many people just don't think it's worth it!

 

[expos4ever]

Here is the difference:

Those who will vote for Hillary will do so despite her moral weaknesses;

Those who will vote for Trump will do so because of lack of qualifications, racism, etc.

 

[expos4ever]

Get back to me sometime when you have something to say that is worth reading to the end.

I have no idea how you are going to wriggle out of this one, but we'll see.

I asserted that Mr. Trump was immature like a petulant child.

People's exhibit A:

Now: If this is not the very definition of childish, I don't know what is.

 

[Picky Picky]

I have no idea how you are going to wriggle out of this one, but we'll see.

I asserted that Mr. Trump was immature like a petulant child.

People's exhibit A:

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Now: If this is not the very definition of childish, I don't know what is.

Childish, but nasty with it.

 

[expos4ever]

Some people complain when I don't post the whole of their statement, even though by putting the four dots after the last word it correctly indicates that the whole statement was longer and that the part I have no interest in reading has been omitted. Get back to me sometime when you have something to say that is worth reading to the end.

Again, I stated that Mr. Trump was immature like a petulant child.

People's exhibit B: The need to let us all know that his genitalia are appropriately substantial.

Again, almost the very definition of what it means to be a child.

This is what is so odd about Trump supporters: you appear to almost revel in being exposed as supporting a ridiculously unqualified person for the office of President; it's almost as if the normal human emotions of shame and embarrassment have been transformed into badges of honor.

 

[The Cadet]

Anyone who is concerned for our country HAS to vote for him, lest the other party's candidate be elected and continue the trend towards lawlessness and economic stagnation that the current administration has fostered.

Pop quiz! Same question I asked @thatbrian; for some reason he didn't respond. Did violent crime go up or down under Obama? Answer that, and...

although it's certainly true that there are many who are so out of touch that they don't care to inform themselves of the issues and so will simply look for the donkey lever on the voting machine.

...There will be a certain clear irony in this post.

Giving away classified information

Pretty sure this never happened.

leaking classified information

Same with this.

Trump said 'we should have' taken the oil, he's not talking about some new foreign adventure.

He clearly states he doesn't want any more nation-building or interventions. America First the governing principle.

As recently as March of this year, he was saying this:

http://www.vox.com/world/2016/5/27/11608580/donald-trump-foreign-policy-war-iraq-hillary-clinton

POST: How do you keep it without troops, how do you defend the oil?

TRUMP: You would... You would, well for that— for that, I would circle it. I would defend those areas.

POST: With U.S. troops?

TRUMP: Yeah, I would defend the areas with the oil.​

But The Cadet's accusation was contrived in any case. The Bush administration repeatedly told the American people that we'd be paying for the war in Iraq from the oil there that we'd take in compensation. When the NeverTrump folks have to resort to acting like Trump has just invented something--and it's supposed to be unthinkable--when it's not new at all, you know that the facts are of little interest to them.

Well fair enough. It's still very aggressive - demanding a significant number of troops.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

How can any rational person trust Donald Trump?

How can any rational person trust Hillary Clinton?

There is uncertainty with regards to Trump, for sure, but this is better than the certainty of what Hillary would bring.

His businesses have several times declared bankruptcy, leaving creditors holding the bag.

Trump has made hundreds of business ventures, and they have failed how many times? Around 4? That's a pretty good success rate if you ask me. Warren Buffet, Icahn, and other hugely successful investors all have bad investments. The key is whether the good investments outweigh the bad ones. Judging by Trump's fortune, yes, his good investments clearly outweigh the bad ones.

He's lying about his net worth (yes, a billionaire. But closer to 4 than 10. Fortune estimated 3.3B.)

He puts a lot of stock in his personal brand, for sure. Trouble with brand valuations is that it's quite subjective.

He won't release his tax returns (which strongly suggests dissembling to me.)

You could be right. It hasn't bothered me though, we know he is a multi-billionaire.

He rails about unfair trade, but virtually all of his branded products are made overseas.

Yes, Trump has used the current unfair system for his benefit, I'm sure he'd admit to this. Just as he donated to Democrats in the past, because he is a smart businessman, and did what was necessary to prosper.

Now he wants to change the system, and end the unfairness.

In his 60 Minutes interview with Scott Pelley, he boasted about his "terrific" health insurance plan. But on his web site, he rehashes the same old, worn out, sloganeering about unspecified "free market reforms" that Republicans have been pushing for years.

I agree that his policy on health wasn't the most consistent. He seemed to prefer a real free universal healthcare system at one point, but pressure from Republicans seems to have changed his mind. Again, this is not really a massive issue.

And his crackpot anti-vaccine nonsense shows how clueless he is about real, scientific, evidence-based medicine.

I agree anti-vaccine rhetoric isn't helpful. Thankfully he has said either very little or nothing at all about vaccines during this campaign, and I highly doubt it would feature in his presidency.

But most detestable of all is his demagoguery. He's a would-be despot. He's claims he's the only man who can protect us in a dangerous world. He exploits people's base, tribalistic instincts when he scapegoats Mexicans and Muslims.

How does he scapegoat Mexicans? Do you think all Mexicans are illegal immigrants? He's always talking about illegal immigrants.

And the Muslim ban has been nuanced lately, to a ban of immigrants from countries with high risk of terror. The point is to reduce the risk of terrorism, not to discriminate or target a certain group.

His proposal to wall off the southern border at Mexico's expense is preposterous.

Why? What's so bad about having an actual border?

And if you think all undocumented immigrants can be rounded up and deported you don't need to visit Disney World--you're already living in Fantasyland.

You can do it if you trrrrrrrrrryyyy.

I don't expect Trump to deport all illegal immigrants, but he'd darn sure try harder than Obama and Hillary, who'd both want to hand out amnesty. The law should be enforced. Hard-working deserving immigrants who have waited in line and gone through the process to legally emigrate to the USA shouldn't have to deal with illegal immigrants skipping in front of the queue. Giving them amnesty is a disservice to those immigrants who have waited and earned their place.

Hillary is ambitious and politically ruthless, but Donald is a megalomaniac con-man and wannabe dictator. He'd be the worst President in this country since Jefferson Davis.

Ending idealistic foreign interventions, ending nation-building, ending unfair globalist trade deals, all sound pretty good to me.

Hillary would continue more of the same warmongering that Bush and Obama supported. Trump is the one who is actually speaking out against it.

 

[TEX CATHOLIC]

How can any rational person trust Hillary Clinton?
There is uncertainty with regards to Trump, for sure, but this is better than the certainty of what Hillary would bring.


Trump has made hundreds of business ventures, and they have failed how many times? Around 4? That's a pretty good success rate if you ask me. Warren Buffet, Icahn, and other hugely successful investors all have bad investments. The key is whether the good investments outweigh the bad ones. Judging by Trump's fortune, yes, his good investments clearly outweigh the bad ones.

He puts a lot of stock in his personal brand, for sure. Trouble with brand valuations is that it's quite subjective.


You could be right. It hasn't bothered me though, we know he is a multi-billionaire.

Yes, Trump has used the current unfair system for his benefit, I'm sure he'd admit to this. Just as he donated to Democrats in the past, because he is a smart businessman, and did what was necessary to prosper.

Now he wants to change the system, and end the unfairness.

I agree that his policy on health wasn't the most consistent. He seemed to prefer a real free universal healthcare system at one point, but pressure from Republicans seems to have changed his mind. Again, this is not really a massive issue.

I agree anti-vaccine rhetoric isn't helpful. Thankfully he has said either very little or nothing at all about vaccines during this campaign, and I highly doubt it would feature in his presidency.

How does he scapegoat Mexicans? Do you think all Mexicans are illegal immigrants? He's always talking about illegal immigrants.

And the Muslim ban has been nuanced lately, to a ban of immigrants from countries with high risk of terror. The point is to reduce the risk of terrorism, not to discriminate or target a certain group.

Why? What's so bad about having an actual border?

You can do it if you trrrrrrrrrryyyy.

I don't expect Trump to deport all illegal immigrants, but he'd darn sure try harder than Obama and Hillary, who'd both want to hand out amnesty. The law should be enforced. Hard-working deserving immigrants who have waited in line and gone through the process to legally emigrate to the USA shouldn't have to deal with illegal immigrants skipping in front of the queue. Giving them amnesty is a disservice to those immigrants who have waited and earned their place.

Ending idealistic foreign interventions, ending nation-building, ending unfair globalist trade deals, all sound pretty good to me.

Hillary would continue more of the same warmongering that Bush and Obama supported. Trump is the one who is actually speaking out against it.

Well said and without ranting! Even as a moderate I'm amazed by how Liberals discuss the ranting of Trump! But liberal tactic is typically bully and RANT!! Liberals are run by emotion not logic. Hence if you don't agree/ no discourse! You are called foolish! In my post! I stated I'd vote Trump but I never resorted to calling or implying Clinton voters are stupid!! I don't say or think it! But the lack of courtesy on their end amazes me!! Can a liberal debate issues sanely without personal attacks: "No sane person would vote for Trump!" Really!! That's logical debate it a democracy! Sad

 

[expos4ever]

In my post! I stated I'd vote Trump but I never resorted to calling or implying Clinton voters are stupid!! I don't say or think it! But the lack of courtesy on their end amazes me!! Can a liberal debate issues sanely without personal attacks: "No sane person would vote for Trump!" Really!! That's logical debate it a democracy! Sad

Yes, those of us who prefer Hillary to Donald have often certainly implied, if not outright declared, that those who think Donald is the better choice are "stupid" or otherwise "not quite right in the head". Here is the problem, though. I politely suggest that if, repeat if, a person unashamedly embraces a candidate who is clearly a crackpot, that person is literally begging to have their mental faculties challenged. And - and this is really important - it appears that the more nutty Mr. Trump acts, the more his defenders like him.

No wonder the sanity of the Trump supporters is questioned - it's not so much that he is supported, it is that he is lionized for his wacky statements and actions. This is what has us shaking our collective heads.

Now you may be very well be one of those Trump supporters who thinks he is better choice even though he is clearly an immature narcissist who is not remotely qualified. Fair enough; at least there is a case to be made here.

I would also question the mental powers of any who would somehow think that Hillary is the better candidate because she is dishonest. This is the problem: it certainly appears that many, although certainly not all, Trump supporters inhabit a 'bizarro-Jerry" world where things like infantile behavior, race-baiting, and misogyny are actually virtues. By contrast, I think the Clinton crowd acknowledge she has moral issues and understand this as a weakness, not a strength.

 

[Mark Stacy]

Even many Republicans agree: Donald Trump is a threat to America. Is anybody here voting for him?

Hillary Clinton will bring back the Bush years of foreign aggression. Already, the Democratic party is the anti Russia party. A vote for Trump may be the more moral choice of the two.

This is madness, without any hesitation whatsoever the subject is changed completely.
This is the political section not the religious section.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Even many Republicans agree: Donald Trump is a threat to America. Is anybody here voting for him?

http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/07...-that-the-gop-nominee-is-a-threat-to-america/

Progressives are a threat to America. I'm voting for Trump - twice.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

How can any rational person trust Hillary Clinton?

She isn't the best choice. If we judge based on experience, Clinton is a far superior candidate.

Judging by Trump's fortune, yes, his good investments clearly outweigh the bad ones.

The way he has treated small business owners in the past is deplorable. His company recently had to pay out $300,000 in legal fees to a Mom & Pop paint shop.

You could be right. It hasn't bothered me though, we know he is a multi-billionaire.

I'm more interested in how much in taxes he pays and his charitable contributions. My best guess on why he won't release them is that he isn't as rich as he says he is and it would be a blow to his overblown ego.

Now he wants to change the system, and end the unfairness.

Change it how? I haven't heard anything specific from him. His tax plan is already considered by conservative economists as disastrous.

I agree that his policy on health wasn't the most consistent. He seemed to prefer a real free universal healthcare system at one point, but pressure from Republicans seems to have changed his mind. Again, this is not really a massive issue.

So, what are his plans? I've heard he wants to repeal Obamacare and go with the "race to the bottom" buy across state lines nonsense. 18 million people would lose their health insurance. It's a big issue.

I agree anti-vaccine rhetoric isn't helpful. Thankfully he has said either very little or nothing at all about vaccines during this campaign, and I highly doubt it would feature in his presidency.

The problem is that this is a dangerous position to hold. It demonstrates to me that he doesn't understand the importance of vaccines. He also says that global warming is a Chinese hoax.

Why? What's so bad about having an actual border?

Building a border wall is massively expensive. If you think Mexico is going to pay for it, you're in fantasy land.

I don't expect Trump to deport all illegal immigrants, but he'd darn sure try harder than Obama and Hillary, who'd both want to hand out amnesty.

In his first 42 months in office he deported 1.4 million illegal immigrants. The average number deported per month is higher than any other president in history.

 

[Douger]

This is madness, without any hesitation whatsoever the subject is changed completely.
This is the political section not the religious section.

Say what?

 

[KWCrazy]

Those who will vote for Trump will do so because of lack of qualifications, racism, etc.

Trump is not a racist. That's just a lie the left tosses at anyone to the right of them.
Trump isn't a true conservative, but he's closer to conservatives than the wacked out lunatic fringe dominating the Democratic Party.
Islamic terrorist is not a race.
Muslims aren't a race either. It's a religion. It's also the religion of Islamic terrorists. Importing Islamic terrorists because you don't think they will kill many Americans is not better than protecting Americans by keeping them out. They do not have a right to be here, and their desire to be here is not worth lost American lives.
Mexico is not a race.
Mexicans belong in Mexico, like Americans belong in America. If Mexicans wish to come here they need to do so legally. If Canadians wish to come here they have to do so legally. If French people want to come here they need to do so legally. See a pattern?
Trump ACTUALLY PAYS women equally with men, unlike Hillary Clinton.
Trump never compromised national security by setting up a private email server with the sole intent of shielding his communications from public scrutiny. He didn't expose national secrets to hackers and didn't subsequently lie about it under oath.
Donald Trump, for all his faults, is the ONLY politician with the guts to stand up to the lying criminal running on the Democratic ticket. Spineless Romney gave us a second term of Obummer and the weak willed John McCain gave us the first term.
Somebody needs to stand up to the corrupt politicians who are ruining this country. It wonlt be Hillary because she's one of them. That only leaves Donald.

 

[The Cadet]

Donald Trump, for all his faults, is the ONLY politician with the guts to stand up to the lying criminal running on the Democratic ticket.

Dude. What?

What even?