Blacklisted Bible Verses

[Razare]

I have noticed among Christias, we blacklist some verses. Jesus even mentions a blacklisted verse in his era:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalm 82:6

What are blacklisted Bible verses that you have come across among other believers? These are verses that you can't mention to people because it pokes a hole in their theology and doctrine. And I have seen when the verses are mentioned, the other person ignores them most all of the time. They don't refute it, they don't disagree, but ignore.

This is a clear sign the verse has been blacklisted!

The first rule of Hermeneutics is: do not talk about Hermeneutics!

 

[Soyeong]

I have noticed among Christias, we blacklist some verses. Jesus even mentions a blacklisted verse in his era:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalm 82:6

What are blacklisted Bible verses that you have come across among other believers? These are verses that you can't mention to people because it pokes a hole in their theology and doctrine. And I have seen when the verses are mentioned, the other person ignores them most all of the time. They don't refute it, they don't disagree, but ignore.

This is a clear sign the verse has been blacklisted!

The first rule of Hermeneutics is: do not talk about Hermeneutics!

There is a temptation to blacklist certain verses, but their mostly is just a need to correctly understand it. Generally, if one verse says something contrary to everything else in Scriptures, then the chances are pretty good that you have not correctly understood it. For example, there are a number of commentaries on Psalms 82:6 that explain that the word used can also refer to judges. However, that isn't to say there aren't verses that poke holes in certain interpretations of the Bible. I'll go with Romans 1:5, Romans 2:13, Romans 2:26, Romans 3:31, Romans 7:22, John 1:16-17, and Titus 2:11-14.

 

[Razare]

For example, there are a number of commentaries on Psalms 82:6 that explain that the word used can also refer to judges.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jhn/10/1/t_conc_1007034

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H430&t=KJV

In the Hebrew it is literally Elohiym written there. Looks like elohiym could refer to judges too though, so that works. Interesting.

 

[Frisky Wren]

I don't get the whole blacklisted idea with regard to scriptures.
The Apocrypha are considered unworthy of the canon of scripture. But blacklisted being what that is typically defined as doesn't quite fit.

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalm 82:6

That verse is often enough misunderstood. God isn't saying we are mini-gods empowered as he is in the flesh. It is saying we are his. In other words, we belong to God. We are God's and are all children of the most High.

 

[Razare]

That verse is often enough misunderstood. God isn't saying we are mini-gods empowered as he is in the flesh. It is saying we are his. In other words, we belong to God. We are God's and are all children of the most High.

That is not the point of the thread, please don't derail. If you can't comprehend the point of the thread, please don't participate. Thanks!

 

[Frisky Wren]

That's a bit brazen. And with a big toothy smile to boot.

How's this? If you can't articulate clearly what you want people to discuss don't open a thread.
Psalm 82:6 isn't qualified to be called a black listed verse.
There are no scriptures that are black listed. It's a stupid idea.

 

[Razare]

If you can't articulate clearly what you want people to discuss don't open a thread.

Here is what the point of the thread is:

What are blacklisted Bible verses that you have come across among other believers? These are verses that you can't mention to people because it pokes a hole in their theology and doctrine.

I asked a question. I wanted the question answered. But rather than answering the question, you said, you did not understand the question. If you don't understand the question, you cannot answer it.

People who know how to answer the question should respond, like the previous poster answered the question. They were able to respond and give verses. This is the point of the thread.

The example I gave is an example. It is not the point of the thread, nor the focus of debate.

 

[ScottA]

I have noticed among Christias, we blacklist some verses. Jesus even mentions a blacklisted verse in his era:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalm 82:6

What are blacklisted Bible verses that you have come across among other believers? These are verses that you can't mention to people because it pokes a hole in their theology and doctrine. And I have seen when the verses are mentioned, the other person ignores them most all of the time. They don't refute it, they don't disagree, but ignore.

This is a clear sign the verse has been blacklisted!

The first rule of Hermeneutics is: do not talk about Hermeneutics!

The whole idea of "spiritual" anything, is for the most part marginalized to be the talk of kooks. Some even go so far as to say that to spiritualize is anti-God...as if God Himself was not spirit. The amount of love for the flesh and blacklisting of everything spiritual, that exists among Christians, is appalling.

 

[Commander]

1 Timothy 4:10; 1 John 3:9, 1 John 4:7, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, Titus 2:11, Colossians 1:17, Matthew 24:14, Colossians 1:23, 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Matthew 27:52-53. These are just some of God's scriptural word of the Bible that I have found others find hard to believe.

 

[TaylorSexton]

Romans 9:6-29

 

[NJA]

I have noticed among Christias, we blacklist some verses. Jesus even mentions a blacklisted verse in his era:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalm 82:6
...

For Jews it's been Daniel 9:24-27 ("the 70 weeks prophecy") for a long time, detailed here, (also Isaiah 53)

Traditional churches have tended to rely on "theologians" who have discounted Mark 16:9-20.
The folly of this is detailed here.

 

[Commander]

Romans 9:6-29

You could also include the rest of the chapter. In the verse of Romans 11:32 God has concluded(included) them all(Jew and Gentile) in unbelief, so that he might have mercy upon all. For He is the living God who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe(1 Timothy 4:10).

 

[Job8]

In the Hebrew it is literally Elohiym written there. Looks like elohiym could refer to judges too though, so that works. Interesting.

Elohiym can mean (1) the Almighty God, (2) false gods, (3) mighty ones or godlike ones, (4) judges who were delegated as representatives of God. The context determines the meaning. "I said ye are gods" clearly applies to the judges, but certainly does not imply that they were little gods. So why would this be "blacklisted"? It simply needs to be interpreted in context.

Strong's Concordance
elohim: God, god
Original Word: אֱלֹהִים
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: elohim
Phonetic Spelling: (el-o-heem')
Short Definition: God

divine ones, superhuman beings including God and angels Psalm 8:6
divine (1), divine being (1), exceedingly (1), God (2326), god (45), God's (14), goddess (2), godly (1), gods (204), great (2), judges (3), mighty (2), rulers (1), shrine* (1).

 

[Archie the Preacher]

I am not aware of any verses which are 'black listed' in the sense of being forbidden or removed from 'authorized' versions or editions of Bibles used in any particular denomination.

However, I am aware of verses and passages ('verses' were added much later than the writing of the Bible texts and do not always match the division of thoughts in the text) which are often ignored by one faction or other for doctrinal reasons. The biggest example is those verses and passages which touch upon the 'predestination versus free-will' or "Calvin versus Arminius" difference. Each 'side' tends to use verses and passages supporting their view and while ignoring or down playing those passages not supporting their view.

This should not be confused with the popular concept of the 'forbidden' books of the Bible. Books like 'The Gospel of Thomas' and such which never were accepted as meeting the canon of the Bible in terms of authenticity or applicable teaching.

None of this should be confused with the "Apocryphal Books" which are recognized by some sections of Christianity but not others as satisfying the conditions of the canon. Presumably by honest differences of opinion on both 'sides'.

Then, of course, there's the Thomas Jefferson approach. Reportedly, Thomas Jefferson liked the moral teachings of Jesus, but objected to the 'supernatural' portions of the New Testament. So Jefferson reportedly removed the portions which offended his criteria. (However, I am not aware of Jefferson's age when this occurred, or if he held those views for the rest of his life. Many people believe silly things at one age and learn better in later life. One quote or act does not usually describe an entire life.)

Does any of this address the question raised?

 

[Bob Crowley]

I have noticed among Christias, we blacklist some verses. Jesus even mentions a blacklisted verse in his era:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalm 82:6

What are blacklisted Bible verses that you have come across among other believers? These are verses that you can't mention to people because it pokes a hole in their theology and doctrine. And I have seen when the verses are mentioned, the other person ignores them most all of the time. They don't refute it, they don't disagree, but ignore.

This is a clear sign the verse has been blacklisted!

The first rule of Hermeneutics is: do not talk about Hermeneutics!

What you really mean is "controversial" rather than "black listed". There are no "black listed" scriptures, but there are Scriptural verses where we disagree.

As a Catholic, the first verse I'd point to is Christ's affirmation of Simon, Son of John, as Peter, the rock on which He would build His Church. As far as I'm concerned, Christ was setting up an office and giving it power (what you bind and loose on earth will be bound and loosed in heaven). In due course it came to be understood throughout Western Europe as the Papacy. But there are endless attempts to explain that away or ignore it.

A more recent example is the single verse, taken out of context, on which the whole Rapture mythology is based. Until a bloke called Darby came along and invented it in 1830, nobody had heard of it. But suddenly it became the flavour of the month.

The Seventh Day Adventists would no doubt lean heavily on the OT Sabbath. Some have millenial hobby horses; some think speaking in tongues is of the devil, others think you haven't got the Holy Spirit unless you speak in tongues. Some Brethren still believe in women covering their heads in church. Baptists don't accept infant baptism but only baptism by adult choice.

And then there's the endless mish mash of theories based on Revelation.

There's plenty of "controversial" verses out there - the fact we're so divided over them indicates many of our interpretations are nothing more than our personal opinions, otherwise the Holy Spirit would be divided against Himself.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

What you really mean is "controversial" rather than "black listed". There are no "black listed" scriptures, but there are Scriptural verses where we disagree.

Whereas I probably disagree with your take on specific meanings of specific verses, I agree the verses are 'controversial' (not agreed upon) rather than "black listed" (left out totally).

In fact, there are many bits of texts which are potentially 'add ons' but are included and noted as potential 'add ons' rather than completely ignored.

 

[Razare]

What you really mean is "controversial" rather than "black listed". There are no "black listed" scriptures, but there are Scriptural verses where we disagree.

I meant blacklisted, really. In the spiritual realm, people wear blind folds. With certain verses, they have blindfolds on.

The verse is blacked out in their thinking, in their life, and in their speech. Sure, it's written on the page, but they can't see it. They can read it, but not comprehend.

Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear? And don't you remember? - Mark 8:18

 

[Shane R]

The Revised Common Lectionary has, in effect, blacklisted certain verses which do not fit into a social justice theology. There was a controversial reading a couple of months ago, from the Apocalypse's 21st chapter, where the RCL prescribed omitting all of the verses which identify who was condemned.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

I meant blacklisted, really. In the spiritual realm, people wear blind folds. With certain verses, they have blindfolds on.

The verse is blacked out in their thinking, in their life, and in their speech. Sure, it's written on the page, but they can't see it. They can read it, but not comprehend.

Yes, I completely agree in the sense you explain here.

 

[ewq1938]

I have noticed among Christias, we blacklist some verses. Jesus even mentions a blacklisted verse in his era:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. - Psalm 82:6

What are blacklisted Bible verses that you have come across among other believers? These are verses that you can't mention to people because it pokes a hole in their theology and doctrine. And I have seen when the verses are mentioned, the other person ignores them most all of the time. They don't refute it, they don't disagree, but ignore.

This is a clear sign the verse has been blacklisted!

This does not mean it's blacklisted but misunderstood. David's calling some people gods does not make them gods. They simply believed they were but David makes it clear they will die just like men proving they are not gods after all. Christ quoted it because he also knew the Jews did not understand it.

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Psa 82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.