From faith to fact.

[ScottA]

Millions of people on this planet will never know about God. Heck, in some parts of the Amazon, there are tribes who don't even have a word for God, they simply have no concept of what that would be...

And there are millions of pixels in the computer game, League of Legends, that do not contain light. Same, same. Created life, is pixels.

Isn't my eternal salvation of utmost importance? Doesn't God want me to be saved? In any case, what if it turns out that Odin is the one true God, and YHWH is a fable? How am I supposed to decide on what spiritual direction is correct? After all, aren't we fallible creatures? Humans are prone to incorrect interpretations and imaginitive gap-filling, if I'm to seriously accept the existence of a God, I am obliged to ensure I have the right one, for both our sakes.

You do not decide, nor do you need to access or accept. You are what you are, and that is what will come forth. Your life will take you where you desire to go.

Again, No, belief is not a choice. Let me know when & where you intend to step off that tall building...

Sorry you missed it, I already stepped off.

 

[Loudmouth]

"F" - Wrong answer.

Then prove it.

 

[Loudmouth]

His word primarily, but also in the world around us.

Those are the words of men. Want to try again?

 

[Loudmouth]

What if you're looking for the wrong "evidence?"

And as I said, the evidence is God's, He gives it, not me. I am just a human being, like you.

What evidence?

 

[ScottA]

Then prove it.

Been there, done that. Watch the birdie next time.

 

[Loudmouth]

Been there, done that. Watch the birdie next time.

The only thing we are seeing is bare assertions and no evidence.

 

[amariselle]

What evidence?

This has been answered repeatedly.

 

[Loudmouth]

This has been answered repeatedly.

In which post did anyone present evidence?

 

[ScottA]

The only thing we are seeing is bare assertions and no evidence.

For the sake of any newbies looking on: For the umpteenth time, the information we are giving you here is called "sharing", and is not natural world evidence from the spiritual world, because that would nullify it and it would no longer be spiritual. It is not that we cannot give you evidence, but that spiritual evidence can only be received spiritually. So, if you are only a natural being of flesh and blood, you do not have the capacity for receiving the evidence...and continuing to demand natural evidence is futile. If you would like to have the capacity, we cannot give it to you - you need to ask God.

 

[joshua 1 9]

belief is not a choice.

The choice God gives us is live or death, sickness or health, blessing or curse, poverty or prosperity. He does not make the choice for us. WE have to make the choice for ourselves.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Men were the author.

It would be a real challenge to get the atheists up to a third grade level of understanding of the Bible. If you want I could set up a contest with our third grade students to see who knows more about the Bible. I bet they know more then a lot of college graduates that never put any time or effort into understanding the Bible and how to apply the teaching of the Bible to our lives.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2Tim3:16

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The choice God gives us is live or death, sickness or health, blessing or curse, poverty or prosperity. He does not make the choice for us. WE have to make the choice for ourselves.

I see no God giving anything of the sort. Belief is still not a choice.

 

[Loudmouth]

It would be a real challenge to get the atheists up to a third grade level of understanding of the Bible. If you want I could set up a contest with our third grade students to see who knows more about the Bible. I bet they know more then a lot of college graduates that never put any time or effort into understanding the Bible and how to apply the teaching of the Bible to our lives.

You don't tell 3rd graders that men wrote the Bible?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2Tim3:16

And that was written by a man.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You don't tell 3rd graders that men wrote the Bible?

We tell them that Holy men inspirited by God wrote the Bible. "For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." The Bible was not written by profane defiled people. Do you understand the meaning of: "born again"? Do you understand the difference between someone that is and someone that is not born again? Do you know what it means to have the Mind of Christ? Do you know the difference between the Divine thoughts of God and the debased thoughts of the reprobate? Can you explain any if this because we would fully expect a third grade Bible student to understand and comprehend the meaning of being born again.

 

[JacksBratt]

And yet, how to define faith, as opposed to simply listing all the things its used for, seems to be impossibly complex.




If only you could see your own words -- and the superiority complex contained within...

I already defined faith here before. Maybe not this thread so I will do it again. Faith is believing in something for which you have no proof. There, how "complex" was that.

There is no superiority complex here. There would be IF I did something on my own of some extraordinary ability or extreme feat that set me above you and others. You see, I hear this a lot..."superiority and arrogance" of a person who has salvation. That's just how far off the mark you are. From the most homeless of homeless, the most meek of meek, cruel of cruel, foul of foul, lazy of lazy, normal of normal, rich of rich, sinful of sinful...... All have the exact same ability in God's eyes to have faith and accept His word.

I am superior to no one. In fact it's all about humble and admitting guilt. There is no superiority complex when I have something that every human can have for free, none.

Arrogance and superiority could be seen in someone who is too smart, too educated, too wise and to knowledgeable to every be tricked by some magic book and mythical power for which there is no proof.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Faith is believing in something for which you have no proof.

Faith is a work of the Holy Spirit, both a gift and a fruit. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control.

12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom *; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit *; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
12:10 To another the working of miracles *; to another prophecy *; to another discerning of spirits *; to another divers kinds of tongues *; to another the interpretation of tongues:

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

Arrogance and superiority could be seen in someone who is too smart, too educated, too wise and to knowledgeable to every be tricked by some magic book and mythical power for which there is no proof.

Am I too arrogant and/or superior for not accepting Allah and his prophet, Mohammed to be Allah's final word? What about accepting Vishnu? or Hanuman the Monkey God as the Divine Creator? What about not accepting the claims of Homeopathy, Astrology, Reiki, Antivaxxers, and any number of hocking Woo that's out there? Why is your particular version of your particular God expected a free pass?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I already defined faith here before. Maybe not this thread so I will do it again. Faith is believing in something for which you have no proof. There, how "complex" was that.

Good.

There is no superiority complex here. There would be IF I did something on my own of some extraordinary ability or extreme feat that set me above you and others. You see, I hear this a lot..."superiority and arrogance" of a person who has salvation. That's just how far off the mark you are. From the most homeless of homeless, the most meek of meek, cruel of cruel, foul of foul, lazy of lazy, normal of normal, rich of rich, sinful of sinful...... All have the exact same ability in God's eyes to have faith and accept His word.

And yet we hear from plenty of ex-Christians who had faith and yet, had nothing. What do you suppose they were doing wrong?

I am superior to no one. In fact it's all about humble and admitting guilt. There is no superiority complex when I have something that every human can have for free, none.

And if I do likewise, I'll have the power to discuss the Bible?

Arrogance and superiority could be seen in someone who is too smart, too educated, too wise and to knowledgeable to every be tricked by some magic book and mythical power for which there is no proof.

I guess then I'll just have to let the "saved" people use their magic book to try to control my life.

Of course, if I try to debate them, I'll actually be debating God... and if I cite the Bible, I'll be summarily dismissed.

 

[Loudmouth]

We tell them that Holy men inspirited by God wrote the Bible.

And your words would be the words of men.

 

[TLK Valentine]

His word primarily, but also in the world around us.

Primarily? We should believe men just because they claim to be inspired by God?