From faith to fact.

[lesliedellow]

To whom are you speaking? I never knew you when I was a fallen man. You are years too late.

I am addressing you. You are a member of fallen humanity, and so is everybody else. Christianity is not an excuse for you to preen yourself on your supposed righteousness - it is the exact reverse.

 

[Loudmouth]

To whom are you speaking? I never knew you when I was a fallen man. You are years too late.

Are you claiming to be infallible?

 

[ScottA]

No, it isn't self evidence. Try again.

The evidence I point to is objective and verifiable. None of my evidence ends with "because I say so". All of your evidence boils down to "because I say so". That's a huge difference.

You mean your life is without substance and not verifiable? Are you a computer?

So, then, if you will verify that you are a real flesh and blood person...then, it will not be "because I said so", but because you said so.

 

[ScottA]

I am addressing you. You are a member of fallen humanity, and so is everybody else. Christianity is not an excuse for you to preen yourself on your supposed righteousness - it is the exact reverse.

You have it wrong, and I quote: "It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" Galatians 2:20

 

[ScottA]

Are you claiming to be infallible?

I am stating the fact that, "It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" Galatians 2:20 It is He who is infallible, and I in Him.

 

[Loudmouth]

You mean your life is without substance and not verifiable?

I am saying that it isn't based on being self evidence. I can supply objective, verifiable, and independent evidence that I exist. I am asking the same for your claims.

So, then, if you will verify that you are real flesh and blood person...then, it will not be "because I said so", but because you said so.

When you get done with the red herrings, please supply some evidence for the existence of the spiritual realms and the supposed deities who exist there.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am stating the fact that, "It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" Galatians 2:20 It is He who is infallible, and I in Him.

That is a claim, not a fact. Do you not know the difference? It is you claiming that a deity lives inside of you. Where is the evidence?

 

[JaneC]

If you are speaking only of the organic body - then, yes, that is correct.

Our brains are organic and our minds are a product of our brains, if you could point me towards a mind without a brain I might agree with you.

But the rest of your comments are pure conjecture about something that you simply don't know about.

The comments follow on from the dying brain, when your brain dies everything that is you will cease to exist for ever more,
you of course will know nothing about it because you will be dead.

Mark Twain put it better than I ever could:
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

 

[ScottA]

I am saying that it isn't based on being self evidence. I can supply objective, verifiable, and independent evidence that I exist. I am asking the same for your claims.



When you get done with the red herrings, please supply some evidence for the existence of the spiritual realms and the supposed deities who exist there.

You are the evidence for you...and I am the evidence for me. You have refused me, but you cannot refuse you. That's how it works. So, then, no one has an excuse. The best I can do for you is to share my experience and give you the good news...and I have.

 

[ScottA]

That is a claim, not a fact. Do you not know the difference? It is you claiming that a deity lives inside of you. Where is the evidence?

That is not how this works.

 

[ScottA]

Our brains are organic and our minds are a product of our brains, if you could point me towards a mind without a brain I might agree with you.

Of course, happy to. I have been speaking to you from such a mind: the mind of Christ 1 Corinthians 2:16.

The comments follow on from the dying brain, when your brain dies everything that is you will cease to exist for ever more, you of course will know nothing about it because you will be dead.

Mark Twain put it better than I ever could:
“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

Again, that only refers to the natural body. But thanks, you seem to be very knowledgeable about the things that do not last.

 

[Loudmouth]

You are the evidence for you...and I am the evidence for me.

But you are not evidence for a deity.

The best I can do for you is to share my experience and give you the good news...and I have.

You can do one better. You can provide evidence that your experiences were real.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course, happy to. I have been speaking to you from such a mind: the mind of Christ 1 Corinthians 2:16.

Paul wrote that.

Again, that only refers to the natural body. But thanks, you seem to be very knowledgeable about the things that do not last.

What evidence of any other body is there?

I am knowledgeable of things that actually exist. You seem to be the expert in things that are made up.

 

[lesliedellow]

You have it wrong, and I quote: "It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" Galatians 2:20

Paul is saying that whereas the Mosaic Law had previously been at the centre of his religious life, it is now Faithfulness to Christ which lies at the centre of his religious life. He most definitely does not mean that he is no longer a fallen human being.

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." (1 John 1.8)

 

[ScottA]

But you are not evidence for a deity.


You can do one better. You can provide evidence that your experiences were real.

Oh yes, and I quote: "I am."

 

[lesliedellow]

Are you claiming to be infallible?

Why not? He has said often enough that when he speaks, God speaks. So we had better sit up and pay attention, hadn't we?

 

[Loudmouth]

Oh yes, and I quote: "I am."

Also written by a man.

 

[Loudmouth]

Why not? He has said often enough that when he speaks, God speaks. So we had better sit up and pay attention, hadn't we?

Actually, men said that.

 

[lesliedellow]

Actually, men said that.

Even the Pope's claims for himself are more modest than those of ScottA.

 

[ScottA]

Paul wrote that.

I concur.

What evidence of any other body is there?

The type of evidence you seek only comes to the natural body upon death.

I am knowledgeable of things that actually exist. You seem to be the expert in things that are made up.

According to you, you are knowledgeable about things that only exist in your reality. I on the other hand am knowledgeable of an existence you know nothing about - though you have been told.