subject-expectancy effect - observer-expectancy effect

[joshua 1 9]

The subject-expectancy effect, is a form of reactivity that occurs in scientific experiments or medical treatments when a research subject or patient expects a given result and therefore unconsciously affects the outcome, or reports the expected result. Because this effect can significantly bias the results of experiments (especially on human subjects), double-blind methodology is used to eliminate the effect.

Like the observer-expectancy effect, it is often a cause of "odd" results in many experiments. The subject-expectancy effect is most commonly found in medicine, where it can result in the subject experiencing the placebo effect or nocebo effect, depending on how the influence pans out.

The subject expectancy effect is also observed in psychotherapy. wiki

 

[florida2]

...and?

 

[bhsmte]

The subject-expectancy effect, is a form of reactivity that occurs in scientific experiments or medical treatments when a research subject or patient expects a given result and therefore unconsciously affects the outcome, or reports the expected result. Because this effect can significantly bias the results of experiments (especially on human subjects), double-blind methodology is used to eliminate the effect.

Like the observer-expectancy effect, it is often a cause of "odd" results in many experiments. The subject-expectancy effect is most commonly found in medicine, where it can result in the subject experiencing the placebo effect or nocebo effect, depending on how the influence pans out.

The subject expectancy effect is also observed in psychotherapy. wiki

Cool.

 

[46AND2]

The subject-expectancy effect, is a form of reactivity that occurs in scientific experiments or medical treatments when a research subject or patient expects a given result and therefore unconsciously affects the outcome, or reports the expected result. Because this effect can significantly bias the results of experiments (especially on human subjects), double-blind methodology is used to eliminate the effect.

Like the observer-expectancy effect, it is often a cause of "odd" results in many experiments. The subject-expectancy effect is most commonly found in medicine, where it can result in the subject experiencing the placebo effect or nocebo effect, depending on how the influence pans out.

The subject expectancy effect is also observed in psychotherapy. wiki

Was there a question/point in there somewhere? I'd venture to guess that most of your opponents on this board are well familiar with this concept.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Was there a question/point in there somewhere? I'd venture to guess that most of your opponents on this board are well familiar with this concept.

Usually my point is that even if God and the Bible is little more then a placebo effect that is still substantial. In fact it could be that most of the drugs on the market provide little more benefit then what you get with a placebo effect.

 

[bhsmte]

Usually my point is that even if God and the Bible is little more then a placebo effect that is still substantial. In fact it could be that most of the drugs on the market provide little more benefit then what you get with a placebo effect.

Yep. The 2/3 of the world's population that have different faith beliefs than you, feel just as strongly about their own beliefs.

Bottom line; whatever works for you, just dont pretend it applies to others.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The 2/3 of the world's population that have different faith beliefs than you

Yes very good, only 1/3 will be saved. Some people believe only a remnant or 10% will be saved. Jesus uses the words few and many. I tend to think few means 1/3 and many means 2/3. \

"It will come about in all the land," Declares the LORD, "That two parts in it will be cut off and perish; But the third will be left in it. "And I will bring the third part through the fire, Refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will callon My name, And I will answer them; I will say, They are My people,' And they will say, 'The LORD is my God.'" Zech13:8,9

Bottom line; whatever works for you, just don't pretend it applies to others.

We already know that most of the people alive today are going to perish. I tend to think in the next 20 years or so. I do a lot of historic research and a lot of the historic sites are being destroyed by Isis in the Middle East. People do not realize how war torn this world is right now. We are getting close to the end and the final call that they have been talking about for a very long time now. Ever sense they have had the ability to destroy the world we live in. So people need to decide, they need to get ready to make their final decision and be fully convinced that is what they want to do. We are the restraining force.

"For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work;
but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way." 2Thes2:7

 

[bhsmte]

Yes very good, only 1/3 will be saved. Some people believe only a remnant or 10% will be saved. Jesus uses the words few and many. I tend to think few means 1/3 and many means 2/3. \

"It will come about in all the land," Declares the LORD, "That two parts in it will be cut off and perish; But the third will be left in it. "And I will bring the third part through the fire, Refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will callon My name, And I will answer them; I will say, They are My people,' And they will say, 'The LORD is my God.'" Zech13:8,9

Opinion

 

[joshua 1 9]

Opinion

The placebo effect is not "Opinion". There is nothing in science that is more tested: established and proven then the placebo effect. This is the reason why research has to be double blind.

"A double-blind study is one in which neither the participants nor the experimenters know who is receiving a particular treatment. This procedure is utilized to prevent bias in research results. Double-blind studies are particularly useful for preventing bias due to demand characteristics or the placebo effect". wiki

From time to time I will use a blind approach on this forum. The results I get are very very interesting. For example I will quote mine infidel web sites and the infidels will attack themselves not realizing what they are doing.

 

[Jimmy D]

The placebo effect is not "Opinion". There is nothing in science that is more tested: established and proven then the placebo effect. This is the reason why research has to be double blind.

"A double-blind study is one in which neither the participants nor the experimenters know who is receiving a particular treatment. This procedure is utilized to prevent bias in research results. Double-blind studies are particularly useful for preventing bias due to demand characteristics or the placebo effect". wiki

From time to time I will use a blind approach on this forum. The results I get are very very interesting. For example I will quote mine infidel web sites and the infidels will attack themselves not realizing what they are doing.

I think BHSMTE is adequately qualified to understand the placebo effect.

Have you got any examples of your quote mining and the results? It does sound suspiciously like you're back pedaling a bit.

 

[46AND2]

There is nothing in science that is more tested: established and proven then the placebo effect.

Sure there is: evolution.

 

[bhsmte]

The placebo effect is not "Opinion". There is nothing in science that is more tested: established and proven then the placebo effect. This is the reason why research has to be double blind.

"A double-blind study is one in which neither the participants nor the experimenters know who is receiving a particular treatment. This procedure is utilized to prevent bias in research results. Double-blind studies are particularly useful for preventing bias due to demand characteristics or the placebo effect". wiki

From time to time I will use a blind approach on this forum. The results I get are very very interesting. For example I will quote mine infidel web sites and the infidels will attack themselves not realizing what they are doing.

The content of your post was opinion.

 

[Loudmouth]

In fact it could be that most of the drugs on the market provide little more benefit then what you get with a placebo effect.

You are aware that clinical trials use a double blind so that this isn't the case, right?

 

[Loudmouth]

The placebo effect is not "Opinion". There is nothing in science that is more tested: established and proven then the placebo effect. This is the reason why research has to be double blind.

"A double-blind study is one in which neither the participants nor the experimenters know who is receiving a particular treatment. This procedure is utilized to prevent bias in research results. Double-blind studies are particularly useful for preventing bias due to demand characteristics or the placebo effect". wiki

For the drugs that get approved by the FDA, the people in the experimental group report a higher percentage of positive outcomes compared to the placebo group. This is how they know the drug is working.

From time to time I will use a blind approach on this forum. The results I get are very very interesting. For example I will quote mine infidel web sites and the infidels will attack themselves not realizing what they are doing.

When you twist someone's words to mean the opposite of what they really meant, the response is completely justified.

 

[quatona]

For example I will quote mine[...]

Ok.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sure there is: evolution.

Evolution is pretty much based on cartoon like artwork. They have evidence and we do appreciate the hard work that goes into gathering the evidence they have. But their opinions about the evidence are often not valid at all. Like calling Lucy a missing link and similar absurdities.

 

[bhsmte]

Evolution is pretty much based on cartoon like artwork. They have evidence and we do appreciate the hard work that goes into gathering the evidence they have. But their opinions about the evidence are often not valid at all. Like calling Lucy a missing link and similar absurdities.

Is francis collins opinion on evolution valid?

Or, do you know more about the science than collins?

 

[Jimmy D]

But their opinions about the evidence are often not valid at all. Like calling Lucy a missing link and similar absurdities.

 

[tallbouy]

We already know that most of the people alive today are going to perish.

Everything is going to perish, me, you, everything, hoping and wishing that we won't will change nothing.

 

[tallbouy]

Evolution is pretty much based on cartoon like artwork. They have evidence and we do appreciate the hard work that goes into gathering the evidence they have. But their opinions about the evidence are often not valid at all. Like calling Lucy a missing link and similar absurdities.

If that's what you think then perhaps it's best you keep dreaming, good luck with that.