Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the churches!

[-57]

By your response here, it appears you are either do not know how to reply to the verses I brought up or you are not even looking at what I had written with Scripture. For how do write off Scripture that says Jesus's sheep FOLLOW Him in John 10:27? How do you explain the points I made in Matthew 7?


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Jason, just what part of can't be snatched from Jesus' hand can't you understand?
I have shown you on several occasions how you have taken the verses out of context or assigned other meaning and nuances to words to fit your false theology.

 

[-57]

Ephesians 2:8 is talking about initial salvation; Also, Paul was addressing the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism and Salvation by works alone without any kind of Savior. In addition, even Jesus does the good work in you in the Sanctification process so you cannot hit your chest like King Kong and act like you are hot stuff. Works are a natural by product of abiding in Christ. However, Paul was not teaching a sin and still be saved doctrine. For one, in the beginning of Ephesians 2, Paul basically says that we used to be sinners as a part of our old life. Paul also essentially says elsewhere that if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

Also, life teaches us that good gifts come with responsibilities so as to keep or maintain them (Even in a relationship whereby you would consider a person to be a gift).


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Your theology is about as anti-christian as one can get. Your theology tells people if they sin...they lose their salvation.

Your theology even dooms you...but you can't see it.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jason, just what part of can't be snatched from Jesus' hand can't you understand?
I have shown you on several occasions how you have taken the verses out of context or assigned other meaning and nuances to words to fit your false theology.

If you have told me before, it was a long time ago. Please help to refresh my memory or simply explain it so as to help other believers. How is verse 27 not talking exclusively to sheep that FOLLOW Him? How are my points in Scripture within Matthew 7 not applicable? Please explain using the context and by showing me cross references.

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[Bible Highlighter]

Your theology is about as anti-christian as one can get. Your theology tells people if they sin...they lose their salvation.

Your theology even dooms you...but you can't see it.

Yes, I provided verses before to show folks here that a believer can forfeit their salvation. It is up to you to explain the verses I brought forth to show us that is not what they are talking about.

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[-57]

By your response here, it appears you are either do not know how to reply to the verses I brought up or you are not even looking at what I had written with Scripture. For how do write off Scripture that says Jesus's sheep FOLLOW Him in John 10:27? How do you explain the points I made in Matthew 7?


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Of course Jesus' sheep follow Him. Why would they not?
They are saved, born again, regenerated...or whatever term you want to use...then follow Christ. It isn't the following of Christ that saves them.

 

[-57]

Yes, I provided verses before to show folks here that a believer can forfeit their salvation. It is up to you to explain the verses I brought forth to show us that is not what they are talking about.

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Show me a verse that says believers can forfeit their salvation.

 

[EmSw]

You can't sow to the Spirit unlesss you already have everlasting life.

So you believe you reap and then sow.

 

[FreeGrace2]

The problem lies with your reasoning, not the posts.

That is your opinion.

No. Doing good means doing good. It has nothing to do with keeping the Law of Moses regardless of what is prescribed. If public school teacher gave a student a sticker for doing good, it wasn't because he kept the Law of Moses.

lol. Interesting how ALL of your examples have NO relevancy to the issue.

If one could perfectly keep the Law of Moses, they could NOT EVER do anything bad. Got it? Therefore, keeping the Law would be persistence in doing good.

But maybe you'll come up with some "example" to show how keeping the Law may include some "bad things". lol

Those who persist in doing good do so because they have faith. They are saved by grace, not by any works they have done.

Are you trying to say that those who have faith never do bad things????

I agree with Rom 3:9 that all are under sin since original sin effects everyone. Rom 3:23 is hyperbole.

Nonsense. It says the very same thing as 3:9. All are sinners.

My interpretation is consistent with all of scripture. That's not the case with your interpretation.

Not even close. Way off the reservation.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Do you obey Biblical laws (legalism), or do you not obey Biblical laws (lawlessness)?

What a loaded question.

 

[FreeGrace2]

A true believer does not even think about such things. Their heart is upon obeying and becoming more like Jesus throughout their whole life. We don't think about how much we can get away with, but rather, how much we can do for Him and please Him.

So, when King David, as a mature believer, gazed over at Bathsheba bathing, he still had all these pleasant thoughts in his head?

 

[Gabriel Anton]

Show me a verse that says believers can forfeit their salvation.

Peace be with you.

1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine grower.

2 He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes so that it bears more fruit.

3 You are already pruned because of the word that I spoke to you.

4 Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me.

5 I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.

6 Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned.

I'm not too fuss about man made junk like doctrines. Free will. If you think sin is fine for a Christian, it doesn't bother me one bit. If you think a sinner can enter Heaven as a Christian, be my guest and try. I even encourage you to interpret the Holy Scriptures however you want. You have free will. Do whatever you think best. Everyone seems to have the Holy Spirit these days.

I must say though that Jason0047 goes to great ends to point out the finer details of Salvation that annoy a lot of Christians using Scripture. I would actually encourage Christians to take him more seriously than just dismissing his views because his views are not agreeable to you.

All contracts, covenants have fine prints. Ignorance or failure to understand these fine prints can be costly.

God bless you.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Why isn't Galatians 6:7 about salvation?

Because it's about reward for lifestyle obedience is why.

Jesus referred to it as "having life ABUNDANTLY" in John 10:10. “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly."

Peter referred to it as "having an ABUNDANT ENTRANCE" into the kingdom in 2 Pet 1:11.
"for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you."

Do you not know corruption is damnation? Do you not know everlasting life is salvation?

Do you not know that the gifts of God are irrevocable? Rom 11:29 - for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Do you not know that eternal life is a gift of God? Rom 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Do you not know that Jesus promised that those who believe HAVE eternal life and will NOT come into condemnation? John 5:24 - “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, HAS eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Do you not know that Jesus promised that those He gives eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH? John 10:28 - and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

The theology of loss of salvation does not know these things.

 

[FreeGrace2]

All contracts, covenants have fine prints. Ignorance or failure to understand these fine prints can be costly.

For those who think the Bible has some "fine print" in it, consider the fine print here:

Do you not know that the gifts of God are irrevocable? Rom 11:29 - for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Do you not know that eternal life is a gift of God? Rom 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Do you not know that Jesus promised that those who believe HAVE eternal life and will NOT come into condemnation? John 5:24 - “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, HAS eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Do you not know that Jesus promised that those He gives eternal life WILL NEVER PERISH? John 10:28 - and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

The theology of loss of salvation does not know these things.

 

[-57]

So you believe you reap and then sow.

That makes no sense.

 

[EmSw]

What a loaded question.

Kinda like a baked potato I say. Be careful what you put in it.

Now, back to the question, "do you obey Biblical laws (legalism), or do you not obey Biblical laws (lawlessness)?"

If you can't or care not to answer, just say so.

 

[EmSw]

So, when King David, as a mature believer, gazed over at Bathsheba bathing, he still had all these pleasant thoughts in his head?

A true believer's heart is upon obeying and becoming more like Jesus throughout their whole life. We don't think about how much we can get away with, but rather, how much we can do for Him and please Him.

 

[-57]

Peace be with you.

1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine grower.

2 He takes away every branch in me that does not bear fruit, and everyone that does he prunes so that it bears more fruit.

3 You are already pruned because of the word that I spoke to you.

4 Remain in me, as I remain in you. Just as a branch cannot bear fruit on its own unless it remains on the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me.

5 I am the vine, you are the branches. Whoever remains in me and I in him will bear much fruit, because without me you can do nothing.

6 Anyone who does not remain in me will be thrown out like a branch and wither; people will gather them and throw them into a fire and they will be burned.

I'm not too fuss about man made junk like doctrines. Free will. If you think sin is fine for a Christian, it doesn't bother me one bit. If you think a sinner can enter Heaven as a Christian, be my guest and try. I even encourage you to interpret the Holy Scriptures however you want. You have free will. Do whatever you think best. Everyone seems to have the Holy Spirit these days.

I must say though that Jason0047 goes to great ends to point out the finer details of Salvation that annoy a lot of Christians using Scripture. I would actually encourage Christians to take him more seriously than just dismissing his views because his views are not agreeable to you.

All contracts, covenants have fine prints. Ignorance or failure to understand these fine prints can be costly.

God bless you.

The one that abides in Jesus is an individual that is saved. The one that doesn't abide is one who is not saved and never was saved.

John 15:6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

They may be "in the church"...doing churchy things....but they were never know by Jesus.

Barnes notes on the bible from the collection of commentaries on bible hub puts it this way:
If a man is not truly united to him by faith, and does not live with a continual sense of his dependence on him. This doubtless refers to those who are professors of religion, but who have never known anything of true and real connection with him.

A similiar verse can be read where Jesus' says to those in the church but not of the church..."And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness." Matt 7:23

The concept that the verse is about a believer that is no longer a believer and then "thrown out like a branch to wither" doesn't seem to fit. So I ask once again, show me a verse that says you can forfeit your salvation.

 

[-57]

Kinda like a baked potato I say. Be careful what you put in it.

Now, back to the question, "do you obey Biblical laws (legalism), or do you not obey Biblical laws (lawlessness)?"

If you can't or care not to answer, just say so.

Legalism typically applies to a type of church that forces its congregation to abide by a set of laws.

 

[-57]

A true believer's heart is upon obeying and becoming more like Jesus throughout their whole life. We don't think about how much we can get away with, but rather, how much we can do for Him and please Him.

Sounds like something a OSAS individual would say.

 

[EmSw]

Because it's about reward for lifestyle obedience is why.

So reaping and sowing is about rewards. Let's look at Galatians 6 again, and see how you spin this reward.

7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

So, the bolded part above is a reward. Since eternal life is a reward, and it is what a person reaps, we see it what a person DOES, therefore, it ceases to be a gift. We see a person sows to reap or receive the reward of eternal life in Galatians 6.

What have you sown to reap the reward of eternal life?

Do you not know that the gifts of God are irrevocable? Rom 11:29 - for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Judas Iscariot says hello.