The origin of life and evolution

[46AND2]

I look at it this way. I realize that abiogenesis is not strictly related to evolution from the scientific standpoint and the definition of the terms. However, I think of evolution as a series of falling dominoes. Domino "A" fell on "B" fell on "C" etc. (over millions of years, of course). But where did "A" come from, and what caused it to fall? It seems to make sense to me that these questions belong in the same bucket as evolution since without "A" falling there would be no evolution.

Where did domino A for gravity come from? What caused it to fall? (pun intended)

If we cannot answer these questions for evolution, does it mean we cannot observe dominos K-O falling?

 

[Larniavc]

If we want to go down that road, I suppose anything could have happened, including that.

Correct. With God in the picture he could have created evolution and put it into action over billions of years.

I don't get why you have an issue with all of this.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Correct. With God in the picture he could have created evolution and put it into action over billions of years.

I don't get why you have an issue with all of this.

Because when you put God in the picture, unless you are thinking otherwise, I think the God of the Bible, the God that had the wherewithal to tell us how he did what he did, so he did tell us and that's not the way it went.

So if you put the God into the picture, I don't see why you would have issue with it going just as he said it did.

On the other hand, if you want to come up with a different God, that's something you can play around with if you like but I wouldn't even venture to guess what a fictitious God might do.

 

[bhsmte]

Because when you put God in the picture, unless you are thinking otherwise, I think the God of the Bible, the God that had the wherewithal to tell us how he did what he did, so he did tell us and that's not the way it went.

On the other hand, if you want to come up with a different God, that's something you can play around with if you like but I wouldn't even venture to guess what a fictitious God might do.

2/3 of the worlds population think you're religion if fictitous.

Are they all delusional?

 

[Larniavc]

Because when you put God in the picture, unless you are thinking otherwise, I think the God of the Bible, the God that had the wherewithal to tell us how he did what he did, so he did tell us and that's not the way it went.

On the other hand, if you want to come up with a different God, that's something you can play around with if you like but I wouldn't even venture to guess what a fictitious God might do.

So the Bible is more important than God? That is to say that God is constrained by the Bible (in your opinion)? That God cannot exceed that which man has written?

What an odd notion.

 

[46AND2]

So the Bible is more important than God? That is to say that God is constrained by the Bible (in your opinion)? That God cannot exceed that which man has written?

What an odd notion.

Not only that, his god is constrained by HIS INTERPRETATION of the Bible.

 

[Kenny'sID]

2/3 of the worlds population think you're religion if fictitous.

Are they all delusional?

That sounds about right. They are non believers, if you want to put the delusional tag on them, that's fine with me.

 

[Kenny'sID]

So the Bible is more important than God?

Let's get on the same page here, you are not talking bout the God of the Bible, I take it?

 

[bhsmte]

That sounds about right. They are non believers, if you want to put the delusional tag on them, that's fine with me.

2/3 of the world's population are non believers?

Hilarious!

 

[dysert]

Where did domino A for gravity come from? What caused it to fall? (pun intended)

If we cannot answer these questions for evolution, does it mean we cannot observe dominos K-O falling?

Gravity isn't moving (is it?). Evolution is a *process* but gravity is not. A process must have a beginning, just as gravity had a beginning.

 

[46AND2]

Gravity isn't moving (is it?). Evolution is a *process* but gravity is not. A process must have a beginning, just as gravity had a beginning.

Again with the trivially true statements.

And...?

 

[Kenny'sID]

2/3 of the world's population are non believers?

Hilarious!

Didn't you just say 2/3 didn't believe?

What an odd reply....you think it's hilarious I agreed with you?

 

[Larniavc]

Let's get on the same page here, you are not talking bout the God of the Bible, I take it?

I'm suggesting that your God is bigger than the Bible.

 

[dysert]

Again with the trivially true statements.

And...?

And since evolution had a beginning, that's why some creationists link abiogenesis with evolution. Abiogenesis resulted in domino "A" and its being tipped over. (This has nothing to do with gravity.)

 

[Kenny'sID]

I'm suggesting that your God is bigger than the Bible.

Then you are not talking about the God of the Bible, but a fictitious God like I mentioned earlier?

 

[46AND2]

And since evolution had a beginning, that's why some creationists link abiogenesis with evolution. Abiogenesis resulted in domino "A" and its being tipped over. (This has nothing to do with gravity.)

Are they related? Sure. Does one require the other? No.

Again I ask, if we don't know where domino A came from, and how it fell, does that mean we can't observe dominos K-O falling?

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm sure he did: how could anyone not be interested in that subject? But why do you ask?

He didn't separate the two.

 

[Larniavc]

Then you are not talking about the God of the Bible, but a fictitious God like I mentioned earlier?

Then the God of the Bible IS constrained by the Bible and in this case, YOUR reading of the Bible.

That's cool.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I wouldn't know. How is it relevant?

He did and he didn't separate origins from his theory.

 

[Oncedeceived]

No. If fine tuning exists, we need not know the origin of it to observe it.

I agree.