The origin of life and evolution

[Oncedeceived]

Do we need to know the origin of gravity to observe it exists?

Of course not, but without it the universe is gone. Same with evolution, without life...it is gone.

 

[Larniavc]

If number 3 is the God of the Bible possibility, then it effects evolution tremendously, because evolution never took place, the God of the Bible created it all.

I'd say no reason to make up such nonsense as evolution in the first place would have a pretty strong affect on evolution...makes perfect sense to me anyway.

Didn't I just go over this with you?

Do you understand that God could have created everything billions of years ago and set evolution on it's course?

 

[46AND2]

Of course not, but without it the universe is gone. Same with evolution, without life...it is gone.

So....what? That's like saying if there was no water, there'd be no ocean. What is the point of establishing such a trivially true statement?

 

[bhsmte]

I would say it's selective abstraction.

Psychologists could teach psyche courses, simply off the content of this thread.

 

[Oncedeceived]

So....what? That's like saying if there was no water, there'd be no ocean. What is the point of establishing such a trivially true statement?

It is hardly trivial. Evolution didn't evolve. Life could not evolve without life. Evolution does not explain how life evolves until life is present to evolve. When one wishes to claim that evolution explains life on earth, as so many naturalists claim, they need to explain how evolution could occur if there were no life to evolve and how the order in which evolution requires happens and exists at all.

 

[Larniavc]

It is hardly trivial. Evolution didn't evolve. Life could not evolve without life. Evolution does not explain how life evolves until life is present to evolve. When one wishes to claim that evolution explains life on earth, as so many naturalists claim, they need to explain how evolution could occur if there were no life to evolve and how the order in which evolution requires happens and exists at all.

ToE explains how living things evolve. You've been here long enough: you know this.

 

[46AND2]

It is hardly trivial. Evolution didn't evolve. Life could not evolve without life. Evolution does not explain how life evolves until life is present to evolve. When one wishes to claim that evolution explains life on earth, as so many naturalists claim, they need to explain how evolution could occur if there were no life to evolve and how the order in which evolution requires happens and exists at all.

But you just got done saying "of course not" when I asked if you need to know the origin of gravity to observe that it exists.

We don't need to know the origin of evolution to observe that it exists.

Evolution explains how life CHANGES on earth. Naturalists do not claim that evolution explains life on earth in total. It doesn't matter to evolution how life began.

 

[AirPo]

It is hardly trivial. Evolution didn't evolve. Life could not evolve without life. Evolution does not explain how life evolves until life is present to evolve. When one wishes to claim that evolution explains life on earth, as so many naturalists claim, they need to explain how evolution could occur if there were no life to evolve and how the order in which evolution requires happens and exists at all.

No, evolution explains the diversity of life on earth. A subtle nuance, but understanding it will clear up your confusion.

 

[Oncedeceived]

ToE explains how living things evolve. You've been here long enough: you know this.

Of course it does. Did Darwin talk about the origin of life or not?

 

[Oncedeceived]

But you just got done saying "of course not" when I asked if you need to know the origin of gravity to observe that it exists.

We don't need to know the origin of evolution to observe that it exists.

Evolution explains how life CHANGES on earth. Naturalists do not claim that evolution explains life on earth in total. It doesn't matter to evolution how life began.

Did Darwin talk about origins of life?

 

[Oncedeceived]

No, evolution explains the diversity of life on earth. A subtle nuance, but understanding it will clear up your confusion.

Oh, so fine tuning needs to know such things as can the fundamental constants be different, are there other universes and so forth but evolution of course doesn't need to concern itself with how life originated...double standard perhaps?

 

[Picky Picky]

Did Darwin talk about origins of life?

I'm sure he did: how could anyone not be interested in that subject? But why do you ask?

 

[46AND2]

Did Darwin talk about origins of life?

I wouldn't know. How is it relevant?

 

[AirPo]

Oh, so fine tuning needs to know such things as can the fundamental constants be different, are there other universes and so forth but evolution of course doesn't need to concern itself with how life originated...double standard perhaps?

Not at all, refer back to understanding the subtle nuance. It will clear up your confusion.

 

[46AND2]

Oh, so fine tuning needs to know such things as can the fundamental constants be different, are there other universes and so forth but evolution of course doesn't need to concern itself with how life originated...double standard perhaps?

No. If fine tuning exists, we need not know the origin of it to observe it.

 

[AirPo]

Did Darwin talk about origins of life?

What was the name of that book he wrote?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Do you understand that God could have created everything billions of years ago and set evolution on it's course?

If we want to go down that road, I suppose anything could have happened, including that.

 

[expos4ever]

That's true, there are no greys with religions things are right or wrong, black or white, there is no middle ground with religion, they all say that every religion is wrong except mine, all were made up by man except mine, all Gods are false except mine, the crazy crazy thing is they all believe those things are true.

You keep making these incorrect generalizations. In all your posts critiquing "religion", you make the same mistake. Again: Not all "religious" people see the world the way you characterize them as seeing it.

 

[dysert]

I look at it this way. I realize that abiogenesis is not strictly related to evolution from the scientific standpoint and the definition of the terms. However, I think of evolution as a series of falling dominoes. Domino "A" fell on "B" fell on "C" etc. (over millions of years, of course). But where did "A" come from, and what caused it to fall? It seems to make sense to me that these questions belong in the same bucket as evolution since without "A" falling there would be no evolution.

 

[Larniavc]

Of course it does. Did Darwin talk about the origin of life or not?

He talked about the origin of species.