LDS Mormonism is an enemy of the Cross and therefore not Christian

[mmksparbud]

What can you possibly say?? JS says He translated this, not that it was given to him by inspiration from God but that he translated it himself and it has been proven a false translation.

 

[ToBeLoved]

A 10 year old would tell you that you can not talk about 2 books contradicting each other if you have not read 1 of the books. Maybe a 5 year old would tell you that.

I know, your point is that you cannot read 2 contradicting books without skewing one's opinion and understanding. I am just telling you that they do not contradict each other. I have read both and are more fully aware of the majesty of Jesus Christ than you are. He has done more than you think he has for his people. You are totally unaware of things your Lord has done and that puts you behind the knowledge curve. So read it and get caught up in one of the best books written since the bible. Once you have read it then you can talk about anything you wish to, but only after you have experienced it. It is just wind until you have read it.

It's not hard. I know the Bible very well. Your doctrine and beliefs show conflict.

It would be so much easier for you Mormons to become Christians. That is my recommendation. Just follow the Bible and you'll be fine.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What can you possibly say?? JS says He translated this, not that it was given to him by inspiration from God but that he translated it himself and it has been proven a false translation.

JS said he saw the Father and Jesus, yet put's Moroni on Temples. That says it all. 'nuff said.

 

[ToBeLoved]

For crying out loud bums many times must this be gone through?

Until you see the forest through the trees. How long is that going to take?

It's all right there. A false translation. The entire world agrees.

 

[Peter1000]

Just because Jesus had a ressurected body while He was still on earth (He had to otherwise they would not have recognized His form), that does not mean that He stayed in a body after He FULLY left earth.

Your scriptures even say that the Father is without a body.

The last information you have about the make-up of Jesus from the bible is that he ascended to his Father and his God in a perfect, resurrected, and exalted body of flesh and bone and spirit. The last word from the bible is that he went to his Father with this body.

The bible does not say, he discarded this body on his way up to the Father. You have to assume such a thing in order to believe it because you can give me not supporting scripture from the bible to prove it.

So if you do believe it, you cannot turn to the bible for support. So you can continue to say, "just because Jesus had a body after his resurrection, that does not mean that he stayed in a body after he fully left earth", you have self-chosen a scenerio that could have happened, but you have not chosen a biblical scenerio that could have happened, otherwise the bible would have recorded that special event.

 

[Peter1000]

It's not hard. I know the Bible very well. Your doctrine and beliefs show conflict.

It would be so much easier for you Mormons to become Christians. That is my recommendation. Just follow the Bible and you'll be fine.

Knowing the bible is not the issue. It is knowing the BOM and until you do, you can't be in the discussion about the 2 books conflicting.

You know the bible very well, but your doctrines and beliefs show conflict too. So where do we go from here?

 

[Peter1000]

What can you possibly say?? JS says He translated this, not that it was given to him by inspiration from God but that he translated it himself and it has been proven a false translation.

Who are you responding to and what book are you talking about?

 

[ToBeLoved]

The last information you have about the make-up of Jesus from the bible is that he ascended to his Father and his God in a perfect, resurrected, and exalted body of flesh and bone and spirit. The last word from the bible is that he went to his Father with this body.

The bible does not say, he discarded this body on his way up to the Father. You have to assume such a thing in order to believe it because you can give me not supporting scripture from the bible to prove it.

So if you do believe it, you cannot turn to the bible for support. So you can continue to say, "just because Jesus had a body after his resurrection, that does not mean that he stayed in a body after he fully left earth", you have self-chosen a scenerio that could have happened, but you have not chosen a biblical scenerio that could have happened, otherwise the bible would have recorded that special event.

Why would Jesus need a body.


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[ToBeLoved]

Knowing the bible is not the issue. It is knowing the BOM and until you do, you can't be in the discussion about the 2 books conflicting.

You know the bible very well, but your doctrines and beliefs show conflict too. So where do we go from here?

Your doctrine is at my fingertips. The Internet.


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[BigDaddy4]

Knowing the bible is not the issue. It is knowing the BOM and until you do, you can't be in the discussion about the 2 books conflicting.

You know the bible very well, but your doctrines and beliefs show conflict too. So where do we go from here?

Why do I have to read the whole BOM to know that this passage

2 Nephi 25:23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.

Conflicts with this Scripture:

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast

???

 

[ToBeLoved]

Knowing the bible is not the issue. It is knowing the BOM and until you do, you can't be in the discussion about the 2 books conflicting.

You know the bible very well, but your doctrines and beliefs show conflict too. So where do we go from here?

Even if I knew the whole BOM
What about the other ones? We have 1 Bible.


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[Peter1000]

Even if I knew the whole BOM
What about the other ones? We have 1 Bible.


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Let's just for the moment stay with the BOM. Read it and that will open your eyes to the others, incuding the bible.

 

[Peter1000]

Why do I have to read the whole BOM to know that this passage

2 Nephi 25:23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.

Conflicts with this Scripture:

Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast

???

No it does not. You misinterpret what Paul was saying. He was telling us that no amount of works will save us from the 1st death, which is the grave. It is only by the grace of Jesus Christ, a free gift from Jesus that saves us from the grave. We can perform all the good works we want and still not be able to raise ourselves from the grave. It is not of works, lest we boast. It is all Jesus and his power as a God that raises us from the grave.

In order to be saved from the 2nd death, separation from God, we have to have faith and do good works and also have the grace of Jesus, who allows us into heaven by washing away all our sins. We have to be worthy of this blessing and so that is why in another scripture it says "faith without works is dead".

You have no way of reconciling "faith without works is dead". You have no idea what to do with this scripture, except ignore it. Thats why I say that mainstream Christians ignore about 1/2 of the bible because it does not fit their salvation theology.

Do you want to test my hypothesis? You tell me what your salvation theology is and then we will bring up about 20 salvation type scriptures and see if you can reconcile your theology to those biblical scriptures. Mormonism can reconcile all of them. How many can you reconcile? Give it a try.

 

[Peter1000]

Your doctrine is at my fingertips. The Internet.


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Does the BOM conflict with the Bible? No. Find me the conflict.

 

[ToBeLoved]

No it does not. You misinterpret what Paul was saying. He was telling us that no amount of works will save us from the 1st death, which is the grave. It is only by the grace of Jesus Christ, a free gift from Jesus that saves us from the grave. We can perform all the good works we want and still not be able to raise ourselves from the grave. It is not of works, lest we boast. It is all Jesus and his power as a God that raises us from the grave.

In order to be saved from the 2nd death, separation from God, we have to have faith and do good works and also have the grace of Jesus, who allows us into heaven by washing away all our sins. We have to be worthy of this blessing and so that is why in another scripture it says "faith without works is dead".

You have no way of reconciling "faith without works is dead". You have no idea what to do with this scripture, except ignore it. Thats why I say that mainstream Christians ignore about 1/2 of the bible because it does not fit their salvation theology.

Do you want to test my hypothesis? You tell me what your salvation theology is and then we will bring up about 20 salvation type scriptures and see if you can reconcile your theology to those biblical scriptures. Mormonism can reconcile all of them. How many can you reconcile? Give it a try.

Alive faith. Dead faith.
Alive faith communes often w God. Dead faith. Not so much

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[Peter1000]

Alive faith. Dead faith.


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The bible says that there can be dead faith, right?

There can also be alive faith. That is faith + good works, right?

 

[mmksparbud]

Who are you responding to and what book are you talking about?

Book of Abrham

 

[BigDaddy4]

No it does not. You misinterpret what Paul was saying. He was telling us that no amount of works will save us from the 1st death, which is the grave. It is only by the grace of Jesus Christ, a free gift from Jesus that saves us from the grave. We can perform all the good works we want and still not be able to raise ourselves from the grave. It is not of works, lest we boast. It is all Jesus and his power as a God that raises us from the grave.

In order to be saved from the 2nd death, separation from God, we have to have faith and do good works and also have the grace of Jesus, who allows us into heaven by washing away all our sins. We have to be worthy of this blessing and so that is why in another scripture it says "faith without works is dead".

You have no way of reconciling "faith without works is dead". You have no idea what to do with this scripture, except ignore it. Thats why I say that mainstream Christians ignore about 1/2 of the bible because it does not fit their salvation theology.

Do you want to test my hypothesis? You tell me what your salvation theology is and then we will bring up about 20 salvation type scriptures and see if you can reconcile your theology to those biblical scriptures. Mormonism can reconcile all of them. How many can you reconcile? Give it a try.

"And also.." "be worthy..." ---> Not found in Bible.

Ephesians 2:8-9 is self-explanatory. Saved by grace! Reconciled.

 

[ToBeLoved]

The bible says that there can be dead faith, right?

There can also be alive faith. That is faith + good works, right?

a faith that is alive communes with God it is faith that is used to walk with Christ.

No eorks


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[mmksparbud]

Holy Cow!! I went back to that site and discovered there are conferences of Ex-Mormons!! Conferences???!!! Never heard of such a thing. Are there conferences of ex-Lutherans, ex-Catholics---other "ex's"?? I've not found any. There are so many exMormons now that they are having conferences?----They are leaving in droves??!!--a lot of them saying through the internet they are discovering the truth, info is so much easier to get to now. Are ex-Mormons still being counted as Mormons by the church??