Star of David

[gadar perets]

I think that you are not at the level to understand the Pardes of this.

This thread, as presented by '"star of David" proponents, has gone far beyond the sod level into man-made philosophy to support something false. The peshat level tells us that Israel embraced a pagan star of their god Remphan (Acts 7:43). You need to explain that on a peshat level and prove that star is NOT the "star of David". Then you can proceed onto another level. The fact that the "star of David" is not spoken of anywhere in Scripture except possibly Amos 5:26 & Acts 7:43 means you can't even use Pardes to explain it. Pardes is a method of Biblical exegesis. It does not apply to things not found in Scripture. So, if you want to use Pardes, do so on Amos 5:26 and Acts 7:43 since that is the only mention of a pagan star taken up by Israel.

 

[gadar perets]

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/526358275180125064/
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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/422001427566190079/
https://flic.kr/p/23000390163

Israel's history is full of this star, but why? Because it was something good adopted by David or something bad adopted by Solomon when his pagan wives corrupted him or adopted by some other wicked Israelite king during the days they worshiped Moloch and other false gods?

 

[gadar perets]

The more you look for connections the more interesting it gets...
http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/pageone.htg/pageone.htm

LOL. Why didn't they make Mars and Saturn look like one of those star points? Because then it would mess up their man-made star of David.

 

[Hieronymus]

Mysteries...

As in 'Mystery Babylon' perhaps...

 

[Lulav]

Isn't it interesting that the Exodus wilderness Tabernacle could look like this? http://project314.org/images/-home/NewTent.jpg

That looks like a yurt. It also reminds me of a flat earth representation. But there is clear description of a four sided mishkan and the tribes camped out on the four sides, so not sure how that fits.

Google "star of Moloch"
It has nothing to do with David, but Solomon fell for what it symbolises.
It's also known as the seal of Solomon.

I've heard some say that it come from Davids army. David fought many battles, which is why he wasn't allowed to built the temple. On the shields of his army it is said his name was etched.

The ancient dalet was shaped in a side like triangle. David contains two dalets.

Where did the Star of David (✡) Come From?

Essentially, King David started it. His name is spelled "דוד" in Hebrew, or "ΔYΔ" in ancient Paleo Hebrew. The VAV (ו or Y) is understood in Hebrew to mean "join these two together". So David created a symbol for his name by creating a symbol that was a DALET (Δ) joined with another DALET (Δ), or a "✡". Of course, since you can't see them both if they were right side up, one of the DALETs (Δ) was turned upside down, thus forming a rightside DALET (Δ) with an upside down DALET (Δ) on top of it, or a "✡". Note also that the Paleo VAV (Y) suggests an upside DALET, and this may have also contributed to the idea of turning one DALET (Δ) upside down. King David sent his men out to battle with this symbol on their shield as a way of telling the good guys from the bad guys - part of their "uniform" so to speak.

It has remained a symbol of Israel ever since. Archeological finds have discovered it from prior to Yeshua's time, and the "Messianic Seal", which includes a Menorah, start of David, and fish, has been observed from the 1st century AD time period on artifacts from just after Yeshua's time.

Some people have tried to rewrite history and allege that the Star of David is a pagan symbol carried into Judaism, but there really is no evidence linking any ancient pagan practices to the Star of David. Furthermore, the ambundance of ancient pagan practices that include Baptism/ritual Immersion among Mithraics, Jewish style feasts among the Shinto-ites, and the fact that Satan worshipper's use Hebrew as their favorite language for rituals, tell us that many false religions have tried to imitate what our Creator gave to His own people, and that every parallel observed should not be attributed as having originated with paganism.

 

[daq]

It's pagan... Has nothing to do with King David, the Jewish symbol has always been the menorah. I think it has something to do with remphan another false god of the Jews, see Acts 7:43.

Acts 7
43Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

God bless

Please see Post #13 where your claim has already been contested. It is probably not Rhemphan in Acts 7:43 but much more likely Rhompha, which is probably the same as the Shechita knife which was, (and still is), used to slaughter animals, (and in old time this was of course for the sacrifices at the temple). In other words according to the actual context, (and in light of many other scripture passages of which only Jeremiah 7:21-33 was quoted), if you consume meat then you have the blood of innocent living creatures on your own hands, (Isaiah 1:10-15), for causing the deaths of those living creatures of Elohim and eating their flesh to satisfy the lust of the flesh of your belly. In fact your case would be even worse if you consume meat because you did not sacrifice the living creature according to the manner prescribed but only had it slaughtered, butchered, and cooked so as to fill your belly. Over and above these things you are clearly warned in Acts 15:20-29, if you would become part of the community, to wholly and completely abstain from blood. There are no stipulations given regarding how abstention from blood is supposed to be understood so it would no doubt include abstention from causing the deaths of the innocent living creatures of God and eating their flesh to satisfy your belly for food, (this includes going through your favorite fast food drive up window and ordering your favorite cheeseburger whether the blood has been "properly drained" or not, lol).

Twinkly, twinkle, little star . . .

The star is the flash of the blade facing the sun while looking down over the neck of the victim just before slitting its throat for sacrifice. For those who see all things physical, natural, and carnal, according to the eyes and mind of the flesh man old sin nature, (as Paul says), the commandments are used for nothing more than to please their own god: and according to the scripture their god is their belly.

Acts 7:43 Nestle GNT 1904
43 καὶ ἀνελάβετε τὴν σκηνὴν τοῦ Μολὸχ καὶ τὸ ἄστρον τοῦ θεοῦ Ῥομφά, τοὺς τύπους οὓς ἐποιήσατε προσκυνεῖν αὐτοῖς; καὶ μετοικιῶ ὑμᾶς ἐπέκεινα Βαβυλῶνος.

Acts 7:43 W/H 1881
43 καὶ ἀνελάβετε τὴν σκηνὴν τοῦ Μολόχ καὶ τὸ ἄστρον τοῦ θεοῦ Ῥομφά, τοὺς τύπους οὓς ἐποιήσατε προσκυνεῖν αὐτοῖς. καὶ μετοικιῶ ὑμᾶς ἐπέκεινα Βαβυλῶνος.
http://biblehub.com/text/acts/7-43.htm

Jeremiah 7:21-33 RNKJV
7:21 Thus saith YHWH of hosts, the Elohim of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your Elohim, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
7:26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
7:27 Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.
7:28 But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of YHWH their Elohim, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.
7:29 Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for YHWH hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.
7:30 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith YHWH: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.
7:32 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith YHWH, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.
7:33 And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.
http://yahushua.net/scriptures/jere07.htm

Philippians 3:18-19
18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Messiah:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

Fill up your sacrifices, yea, slaughter those hamburgers and steaks: kill the living creatures of the true Elohim and eat them with their blood, you are now justified, and can eat anything and everything that creeps or moves according to your own hand picked favorite interpretations of the scriptures: how can that be satanic or occultic, right? Tophet is ordained of old but now it is called the valley of slaughter.

"Twinkle, twinkle, little star; hurry rhompha, O so hungry we are!"
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[Hieronymus]

I suggest to Google images on "kabbalah".
Then you will see the whole family of mystery religion symbols and 'holy geometry' such as the tree of life and the flower of life (on which most of them can be superimposed).
Luciferians and / or new agers love this stuff too.
Obviously "Zionists" do too.

But don't take my word for it, i'm not an expert.

 

[daq]

That looks like a yurt. It also reminds me of a flat earth representation. But there is clear description of a four sided mishkan and the tribes camped out on the four sides, so not sure how that fits.



I've heard some say that it come from Davids army. David fought many battles, which is why he wasn't allowed to built the temple. On the shields of his army it is said his name was etched.

The ancient dalet was shaped in a side like triangle. David contains two dalets.

Where did the Star of David (✡) Come From?

Essentially, King David started it. His name is spelled "דוד" in Hebrew, or "ΔYΔ" in ancient Paleo Hebrew. The VAV (ו or Y) is understood in Hebrew to mean "join these two together". So David created a symbol for his name by creating a symbol that was a DALET (Δ) joined with another DALET (Δ), or a "✡". Of course, since you can't see them both if they were right side up, one of the DALETs (Δ) was turned upside down, thus forming a rightside DALET (Δ) with an upside down DALET (Δ) on top of it, or a "✡". Note also that the Paleo VAV (Y) suggests an upside DALET, and this may have also contributed to the idea of turning one DALET (Δ) upside down. King David sent his men out to battle with this symbol on their shield as a way of telling the good guys from the bad guys - part of their "uniform" so to speak.

It has remained a symbol of Israel ever since. Archeological finds have discovered it from prior to Yeshua's time, and the "Messianic Seal", which includes a Menorah, start of David, and fish, has been observed from the 1st century AD time period on artifacts from just after Yeshua's time.

Some people have tried to rewrite history and allege that the Star of David is a pagan symbol carried into Judaism, but there really is no evidence linking any ancient pagan practices to the Star of David. Furthermore, the ambundance of ancient pagan practices that include Baptism/ritual Immersion among Mithraics, Jewish style feasts among the Shinto-ites, and the fact that Satan worshipper's use Hebrew as their favorite language for rituals, tell us that many false religions have tried to imitate what our Creator gave to His own people, and that every parallel observed should not be attributed as having originated with paganism.

The same imagery also appears in the Greek Nomina Sacra for David, (Δ̅Α̅Δ).

Codex Sinaiticus Nomina Sacra
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[Lulav]

When I was going through a Jewish phase, I always thought it meant God's unconditional love, the upwards triangle representing God's love, the downwards representing yourself. As well I've heard it representing te soul connection between man and God, and other things.

Now that I'm a Christian I struggle with it, because unconditional love is only promised to Christians, not to every Jewish person, so why would it be adopted only for a symbol for Jews, and, most importantly, where is Jesus in those promises?

I'll stick with the cross.

Unconditional love is promised to Christians, not Jews? Where do you get that from?
As far as Jesus in the promised, the whole Bible is about him, from start (Genesis to Revelation) and of course the Jews are the center focus.

Have you ever seen this symbol?

It's has occultic and satanic origins. We shouldn't use it or display it. It has nothing to do with David.

It depends how it's used. Those who are evil use Godly things to blaspheme, it's a given.

I would like you to come up with a reason that God had chosen the pomegranate as a part of the priest's robe.

I am not saying this is the reason. I am just looking for all the connections. And we know God doesn't do anything without a in depth reason.

So we can look at the face value and say God like the color and shape and that is the reason He said put the pomegranate on the hem. But we should know better, because especially in the temple, on the priests, in the services, on all objects used, and in the law there are more than just the P of the PARDES of why God does things.

Yes, there is a reason. Some even believe that the Tree of life is a Pommegranate, and the seeds represent the commandments, thus for the High Priest to carry these with him into the Holy of Holies, makes sense , very much like the tzitzit, which are worn by the rest of the congregation to remind of the commandments.

I don't see the connection. What does seven spirits, stars and candlesticks have to do with the "star of David"? Are you thinking those seven Menorah are all shaped like the star of David from the top view? If so, that is obviously just an assumption.

It's a shame that the Engish translation makes one believe this is a candle stick, not only that but seven of them. It is not, it is ONE , one menorah, just like what was made for the tabernacle. The seven are all joined together into one, as the L-RD is ONE. When it says there was one standing 'in the midst' or in the middle is speaking of the Shamash, the middle one, which is represented by Yeshua, the Life of the World, the Shamash is the 'Servant' which is how G-d came to us.

Now you imply that the pattern of the menorah is a model of something that can only be seen "in heaven" but you want more proof from me? Lol. Have you ever seen a bush with branches that grow out of two sides directly across from each other forming a straight line like what a modern menorah looks like?

Perhaps the problem in ancient drawings and carvings would be the difficulty in representing such an object in 3D hieroglyphics. However there are plenty of representations of the menorah as a bush. Also the Torah was given by the instrumentality, (to the disposition), of Elohim-Angels through the hand of the Mediator Moshe, (Galatians 3:19), and at that same time they saw "Elohey Yisrael" and the Elohim, (ha-Elohim), in the mount of ha-Elohim:

Ever see one of these?

Salvia Hierosolymitana Bioss

This one was found in the Sinai

 

[gadar perets]

Where did the Star of David (✡) Come From?

Essentially, King David started it. His name is spelled "דוד" in Hebrew, or "ΔYΔ" in ancient Paleo Hebrew. The VAV (ו or Y) is understood in Hebrew to mean "join these two together". So David created a symbol for his name by creating a symbol that was a DALET (Δ) joined with another DALET (Δ), or a "✡". Of course, since you can't see them both if they were right side up, one of the DALETs (Δ) was turned upside down, thus forming a rightside DALET (Δ) with an upside down DALET (Δ) on top of it, or a "✡". Note also that the Paleo VAV (Y) suggests an upside DALET, and this may have also contributed to the idea of turning one DALET (Δ) upside down. King David sent his men out to battle with this symbol on their shield as a way of telling the good guys from the bad guys - part of their "uniform" so to speak.

It has remained a symbol of Israel ever since. Archeological finds have discovered it from prior to Yeshua's time, and the "Messianic Seal", which includes a Menorah, start of David, and fish, has been observed from the 1st century AD time period on artifacts from just after Yeshua's time.

Some people have tried to rewrite history and allege that the Star of David is a pagan symbol carried into Judaism, but there really is no evidence linking any ancient pagan practices to the Star of David. Furthermore, the ambundance of ancient pagan practices that include Baptism/ritual Immersion among Mithraics, Jewish style feasts among the Shinto-ites, and the fact that Satan worshipper's use Hebrew as their favorite language for rituals, tell us that many false religions have tried to imitate what our Creator gave to His own people, and that every parallel observed should not be attributed as having originated with paganism.

I see there are no references to any historical documents verifying this. Therefore, it should be filed under "wishful thinking" until such documentation is provided.

 

[Lulav]

I suggest to Google images on "kabbalah".
Then you will see the whole family of mystery religion symbols and 'holy geometry' such as the tree of life and the flower of life (on which most of them can be superimposed).
Luciferians and / or new agers love this stuff too.
Obviously "Zionists" do too.

But don't take my word for it, i'm not an expert.

Thanks Hieronymus we've debated this for over a decade on this forum. But as I posted:

Some people have tried to rewrite history and allege that the Star of David is a pagan symbol carried into Judaism, but there really is no evidence linking any ancient pagan practices to the Star of David. Furthermore, the abundance of ancient pagan practices that include Baptism/ritual Immersion among Mithraics, Jewish style feasts among the Shinto-ites, and the fact that Satan worshipper's use Hebrew as their favorite language for rituals, tell us that many false religions have tried to imitate what our Creator gave to His own people, and that every parallel observed should not be attributed as having originated with paganism.

The thing is, it can be called the Star of David but it is also called the Shield of David, which comes from what I said above about Davids name being on the shields of his army.

However as a symbol for the Jewish people, I believe that the Menorah is it.

You have a six pointed star and a seven light menorah.

Six is said to be the number of man, Seven the perfection of G-d.

I'll go with the seven.

 

[Lulav]

I see there are no references to any historical documents verifying this. Therefore, it should be filed under "wishful thinking" until such documentation is provided.

It was not until just recently that any 'proof' outside the bible was found that King David even existed. However this was found and you can see upon it the name of David in the paleo Hebrew which shows that the dalets were shaped like triangles.

 

[daq]

It's a shame that the Engish translation makes one believe this is a candle stick, not only that but seven of them. It is not, it is ONE , one menorah, just like what was made for the tabernacle. The seven are all joined together into one, as the L-RD is ONE. When it says there was one standing 'in the midst' or in the middle is speaking of the Shamash, the middle one, which is represented by Yeshua, the Life of the World, the Shamash is the 'Servant' which is how G-d came to us.

Ever see one of these?

Salvia Hierosolymitana Bioss

This one was found in the Sinai

Amen, all of one pure gold hammered-beaten piece; but the Son of man in the midst may also imply the oil and-or all seven flames, as one with and of the seven in the midst, (for he has "eyes" like a flame of fire, Revelation 1:14). Thanks for the other image files, (Salvia Hierosolymitana Bioss).
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[Hieronymus]

Thanks Hieronymus we've debated this for over a decade on this forum.

I bet you have..
it's rather controversial and timeless (i.m.o.)

But as I posted:

Some people have tried to rewrite history and allege that the Star of David is a pagan symbol carried into Judaism, but there really is no evidence linking any ancient pagan practices to the Star of David. Furthermore, the abundance of ancient pagan practices that include Baptism/ritual Immersion among Mithraics, Jewish style feasts among the Shinto-ites, and the fact that Satan worshipper's use Hebrew as their favorite language for rituals, tell us that many false religions have tried to imitate what our Creator gave to His own people, and that every parallel observed should not be attributed as having originated with paganism.

The thing is we have in fact 2 gods on earth.
YHWH Elohim and 'the wannabe'.
It's been like that since Genesis 3.

But it's one of the many interesting things to know, and i can't remember everything, but i will look into it again, how far we can trace back occult symbolism.

This for example, is said to be a pre flood artefact:

 

[Lulav]

Yes, when I was studying Egyptology years ago I came to the belief that the pyramids were not built by the Jews, or even the Egyptians, at least not the great ones in Giza.
They tried their hand at copying them but didn't turn out too well. Egyptologists today are hard wired that Egyptians did it and aren't easy to budge.

I think the main thing that spoke to me was that they found salt crystals in the so called 'King's chamber' where no mummy was found and I don't think one was ever there.

Yes, there are two in everything, a True and a false. A path that leads to life and a path that leads to death. And the false one labels itself as the true one.

Many forget there were two trees in the middle of the Garden. One was enticing to the eye, the other to the heart, or spirit, however the eye won out and from that we know it shouldn't be trusted.

 

[gadar perets]

It was not until just recently that any 'proof' outside the bible was found that King David even existed. However this was found and you can see upon it the name of David in the paleo Hebrew which shows that the dalets were shaped like triangles.

I am not contesting the triangles, but the idea that David put the two together to form the "star of David".

 

[gadar perets]

It's a shame that the Engish translation makes one believe this is a candle stick, not only that but seven of them. It is not, it is ONE , one menorah, just like what was made for the tabernacle. The seven are all joined together into one, as the L-RD is ONE. When it says there was one standing 'in the midst' or in the middle is speaking of the Shamash, the middle one, which is represented by Yeshua, the Life of the World, the Shamash is the 'Servant' which is how G-d came to us.

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Thayer's Definition:
1) a (candlestick) lamp stand, candelabrum

Strong's definition:

a lamp stand (literally or figuratively): - candlestick.

There were seven menorah representing the seven "churches". These are not to be confused with the seven lamps of fire (Rev 4:5) representing the seven spirits of Elohim.

Even if you choose to believe there is one menorah, there is still no connection to the "star of David". So I have no idea why these lamps/lampstands are even being discussed.

 

[HeartThaw]

Please see Post #13 where your claim has already been contested. It is probably not Rhemphan in Acts 7:43 but much more likely Rhompha, which is probably the same as the Shechita knife which was, (and still is), used to slaughter animals, (and in old time this was of course for the sacrifices at the temple). In other words according to the actual context, (and in light of many other scripture passages of which only Jeremiah 7:21-33 was quoted), if you consume meat then you have the blood of innocent living creatures on your own hands, (Isaiah 1:10-15), for causing the deaths of those living creatures of Elohim and eating their flesh to satisfy the lust of the flesh of your belly. In fact your case would be even worse if you consume meat because you did not sacrifice the living creature according to the manner prescribed but only had it slaughtered, butchered, and cooked so as to fill your belly. Over and above these things you are clearly warned in Acts 15:20-29, if you would become part of the community, to wholly and completely abstain from blood. There are no stipulations given regarding how abstention from blood is supposed to be understood so it would no doubt include abstention from causing the deaths of the innocent living creatures of God and eating their flesh to satisfy your belly for food, (this includes going through your favorite fast food drive up window and ordering your favorite cheeseburger whether the blood has been "properly drained" or not, lol).
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I don't think it has anything to do with sacrifices, everything is laid out in descriptive detail on what they used for different sacrifices, this star is never mentioned. It is mentioned, all through pagan practices. A man that his own heart followed after God I don't believe would be caught dead with this symbol. Yes, Solomon did have his heart turned by women. The practice of it could have started with him and carried on after the 12 tribes were split. This symbol has no good use, look up what has been provided. It all adds up. Seal of Solomon, keys of Solomon, and so fourth, it's used for magik. This symbol is used by secret societies like the " rosey cross " and other established societies that claim to hold " enlightenment ".

If you think it has something to do with animal sacrifice, or a knife I can't agree. There is no evidence of that. This symbol is used in occult practices and it has nothing to do with David. All we have to do to figure that is expose the darkness as scripture calls to do, then we would be made aware of exactly what this symbol is for.

 

[daq]

I am not contesting the triangles, but the idea that David put the two together to form the "star of David".

Problem is we are specifically speaking about symbolism by virtue of the topic of the thread which is the symbol known as the Magen David. But you conveniently deny every piece or form of symbolism presented because you can stand back and essentially say to yourself, Well, it does not specifically state anywhere in the scripture that "David took two triangles and combined them so it is now a holy symbol." Your argument holds no water because nobody claims what you say does not exist to begin with. However you yourself have presented no evidence whatsoever for your own opposition; not even evidence for your own admitted belief that the Menorah is patterned after an object that resides "in heaven". Your objections are even less warranted when the only real verse that can be used for the Magen David as being a occult symbol, (Acts 7:43), has been shown to be misunderstood by those who use it for such false accusations and insinuations.
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[Lulav]

I am not contesting the triangles, but the idea that David put the two together to form the "star of David".

Ok, your prerogative.

However, the name is unique, no one else named that in the Bible for one thing.

Secondly the name begins and ends with the same letter, dalet which means 'door' and
inbetween them is a 'vav' or 'waw' which symbol meant a nail or something that joins one to another.

When you do that it most likely looked like

I found this in my drawings, not sure if it relates, but maybe to someone.