Alcohol and Pregnancy: Is 'A Little Bit' Safe?

[Four Angels Standing]

http://www.today.com/parents/new-study-shows-no-harm-moderate-drinking-pregnancy-experts-urge-t74846

From your article that supports the evidence against any consumption of alcohol while pregnant. Thank you for that link by the way. Very helpful to what has already been reiterated about the damages of alcohol during pregnancy. ""I really think we should recommend abstaining [from drinking] during pregnancy," says study co-author Janni Niclasen, a post-doctoral student at the University of Copenhagen. "I really believe that even a glass of wine now and again is really damaging."
In the U.S., doctors caution that any amount of alcohol could endanger the baby".

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Nor can I.
Have you ever looked to a search engines images for, fetal alcohol syndrome baby?
It will break your heart right in half.
NYC thinks it's a discrimination matter to refuse to serve pregnant women alcohol. What do they call it when the afflicted baby is born with FAS?

I have sought those out. Breaks my heart.

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God bless and protect the child.

 

[Archivist]

From your article that supports the evidence against any consumption of alcohol while pregnant. Thank you for that link by the way. Very helpful to what has already been reiterated about the damages of alcohol during pregnancy. ""I really think we should recommend abstaining [from drinking] during pregnancy," says study co-author Janni Niclasen, a post-doctoral student at the University of Copenhagen. "I really believe that even a glass of wine now and again is really damaging." In the U.S., doctors caution that any amount of alcohol could endanger the baby".

That was a statement by one of the researchers who conducted the study. The study itself found that "mothers who drink moderately have children with better mental health than children of mothers who abstain."

 

[Four Angels Standing]

That was a statement by one of the researchers who conducted the study. The study itself found that "mothers who drink moderately have children with better mental health than children of mothers who abstain."

Indeed it was a statement by one of the researchers that conducted the study. I am well aware.
Allow me to reiterate in context so that there is no mistake please.

From that article you so kindly linked into this thread:
"A new study adds fuel to the debate, finding that expectant mothers who drink moderately have children with better mental health than children of mothers who abstain. But even the author of the paper says her findings don't mean moms-to-be should start imbibing.

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"I really think we should recommend abstaining [from drinking] during pregnancy," says study co-author Janni Niclasen, a post-doctoral student at the University of Copenhagen. "I really believe that even a glass of wine now and again is really damaging."" The bold is my adding to insure there is no mistake as to what I was initially referring to.


Thank you again.

 

[Archivist]

Indeed it was a statement by one of the researchers that conducted the study. I am well aware. Allow me to reiterate in context so that there is no mistake please.

When did I claim any mistake? You had asked a poster to provide a link to medical studies that showed that consumption of alcohol is small amounts causes no harm to mother or child. I provided a link to a study that not only found that, but in fact found that "mothers who drink moderately have children with better mental health than children of mothers who abstain." The fact that one of the study researchers disagrees with the study results does not change those results.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

When did I claim any mistake?

I never said you did.

You had asked a poster to provide a link to medical studies that showed that consumption of alcohol is small amounts causes no harm to mother or child. I provided a link to a study that not only found that, but in fact found that "mothers who drink moderately have children with better mental health than children of mothers who abstain." The fact that one of the study researchers disagrees with the study results does not change those results.

You provided a link that provided a researcher's remarks stating what has been stated repeatedly in this thread. Perhaps you should actually read the entire article and realize the article does not state it is perfectly OK for women to drink during pregnancy.

If it did that, there would not be any commentary from a researcher in the study stating that no amount of alcohol is advised. And that their study is not intended to say pregnant women should imbibe.

I realize you believe you answered the challenge to show studies that say it is perfectly OK to drink while pregnant. That is not what that article shows when warnings to not drink are included.

What you have there sir, being you're attempting to push the argument some here have when they've attempted to claim drinking while pregnant is perfectly OK, is a backfire.

It's your article. If you didn't read the whole thing in order to understand what was said that is a real shame. But it is a great addition to this discussion because it does not emphatically state drinking is perfectly OK while pregnant.
Read it again. Take the time to do that, reading top to bottom, rather than posting and re-posting in hopes of refuting what the article itself states in warning against drinking while pregnant. And therein reiterates what has been stated in this thread already.

Drinking while pregnant is not healthy for the baby.

 

[Archivist]

I never said you did.

You provided a link that provided a researcher's remarks stating what has been stated repeatedly in this thread. Perhaps you should actually read the entire article and realize the article does not state it is perfectly OK for women to drink during pregnancy.

If it did that, there would not be any commentary from a researcher in the study stating that no amount of alcohol is advised. And that their study is not intended to say pregnant women should imbibe.

I realize you believe you answered the challenge to show studies that say it is perfectly OK to drink while pregnant. That is not what that article shows when warnings to not drink are included.

What you have there sir, being you're attempting to push the argument some here have when they've attempted to claim drinking while pregnant is perfectly OK, is a backfire.

It's your article. If you didn't read the whole thing in order to understand what was said that is a real shame. But it is a great addition to this discussion because it does not emphatically state drinking is perfectly OK while pregnant.
Read it again. Take the time to do that, reading top to bottom, rather than posting and re-posting in hopes of refuting what the article itself states in warning against drinking while pregnant. And therein reiterates what has been stated in this thread already.

Drinking while pregnant is not healthy for the baby.

Perhaps you should stop making false accusations. I did, in fact, read the article before I posted it; your statements to the contrary are entirely incorrect .The study found that moderate alcohol use--one or two glasses of wine per week--will not harm a developing fetus. The fact that one of the researchers disagreed with the results of the study is not relevant. She may have been opposed to pregnant women drinking before the study and been upset Jen it didn't confirm what she beleaved. We don't know why she said what she did, but we do know what the study found.

In the future I would appreciate it if you didn't make false accusations as you did here. You could have asked whether I had read the article before making such accusations. And remember, I have not suggested that anyone, including pregnant women, should drink to excess.

 

[PsychoeDial]

I have sought those out. Breaks my heart.

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God bless and protect the child.

I share that prayer with you sister. That image certainly puts things into perspective doesn't it? I think a word of warning occurs whenever someone attempts to argue in a manner that amounts to a pregnant woman has every right to risk her child suffering those complications due to her drinking.

 

[PsychoeDial]

Perhaps you should stop making false accusations. I did, in fact, read the article before I posted it; your statements to the contrary are entirely incorrect .The study found that moderate alcohol use--one or two glasses of wine per week--will not harm a developing fetus. The fact that one of the researchers disagreed with the results of the study is not relevant. She may have been opposed to pregnant women drinking before the study and been upset Jen it didn't confirm what she beleaved. We don't know why she said what she did, but we do know what the study found.

In the future I would appreciate it if you didn't make false accusations as you did here. You could have asked whether I had read the article before making such accusations. And remember, I have not suggested that anyone, including pregnant women, should drink to excess.

Perhaps you should realize you didn't produce an article that said what you hoped.
False accusations my eye. Anyone who reads that article that you chose to seek out and add to this conversation quickly realizes that it does not advocate a pregnant woman drink alcohol. Nor does it state that it is perfectly OK to do so.

Maybe you should back off promoting falsehoods to the contrary of what the article states.

Just to make it very clear so that no one believes it is OK to drink alcohol while pregnant and nothing in this discussion proves to the contrary, this is from the article you posted.
And just so that it is crystal clear, you posted this after you quoted Four Angels Standing. And after she had asked someone else, presumably not yourself, to show medical evidence that states it is OK to drink alcohol while pregnant. That question in post 16. While you chose to answer her when you quoted her request of ewq in your reply in post 20.
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Please link the medical studies that show this information. That would help further your opinion.
http://www.today.com/parents/new-study-shows-no-harm-moderate-drinking-pregnancy-experts-urge-t74846

Archivist

http://www.today.com/parents/new-st...e-drinking-pregnancy-experts-urge-t7484699end of your post 20)



New study shows no harm from moderate drinking in pregnancy, but experts urge caution
Jan. 3, 2014 at 3:37 PM
Meghan Holohan
TODAY

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In the U.S., doctors caution that any amount of alcohol could endanger the baby, while in many other countries moderate drinking during pregnancy is considered OK. Many moms remain passionately divided on the issue.

Studies have shown that heavy drinking causes birth defects. Niclasen was curious about how maternal drinking affected the mental health of their offspring.

"We know that drinking heavily is really, really bad for the fetus, but we are not so certain whether or not drinking a glass of wine is OK," she says.


You're wrong! Don't continue to make false charges against a member here.

 

[Four Angels Standing]

I share that prayer with you sister. That image certainly puts things into perspective doesn't it? I think a word of warning occurs whenever someone attempts to argue in a manner that amounts to a pregnant woman has every right to risk her child suffering those complications due to her drinking.

I think the mother should be prosecuted when her baby is born with severe birth defects due to diagnosed fetal alcohol syndrome. Ideally when found guilty she should be sterilized.
No one with a modicum of respect for a newborn advocates drinking while pregnant. Alcohol is a drug. Who advocates or excuses using drugs while pregnant?

"In the latest edition of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Vital Signs monthly report, women are warned that any alcohol consumed during pregnancy, even in the first few weeks, can cause serious harm to the baby, including physical, behavioral and intellectual disabilities."
This from this article in February of this year.
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Risks Lead CDC to Warn Women About Drinking Off Birth Control


Then there is this article just this month.
[url=https://www.thesequitur.com/the-effects-of-alcohol-use-on-an-unborn-child-1890073/] [/URL]
The effects of alcohol use on an unborn child


Mothers Of Children With Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

“40,000 babies are born every year that fall under an umbrella known as fetal alcohol syndrome disorder (FAS). Should mothers be charged with a crime when they have a baby with this disorder?

 

[PsychoeDial]

Great articles.
From your first link. "“About half of all pregnancies in the United States are unplanned, and even if planned, most women won’t know they are pregnant for the first month or so, when they might still be drinking,” said CDC Principal Deputy Director Anne Schuchat, M.D. “The risk is real. Why take the chance?”"

Women who have casual sex without protection are always at risk. This though is a sobering reminder. Yes, I meant to say that. In an age where drinking while pregnant is seemingly pardoned by NY law because it is considered discrimination to not serve a woman who isn't willing to think of her baby before her next drink, it is necessary.

Also to preclude the pro-alcohol crews from arguing how does a bartender tell the difference between a pregnant woman and a fat woman.
Fat Stomach vs. Pregnancy
http://www.livestrong.com/article/377050-fat-stomach-vs-pregnancy/
Last Updated: Apr 16, 2015 | By Barbara Diggs


10 Easy Ways to Know Whether It's Weight Gain or Pregnancy
http://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/fat-or-pregnant#5

 

[Tina W]

Nor can I.
Have you ever looked to a search engines images for, fetal alcohol syndrome baby?
It will break your heart right in half.
NYC thinks it's a discrimination matter to refuse to serve pregnant women alcohol. What do they call it when the afflicted baby is born with FAS?

Exactly! This is what alcohol does to the unborn baby:

Since fetal alcohol syndrome covers a wide range of problems, there are many possible symptoms. The severity of these symptoms ranges from mild to severe, and can include:

• a small head
• a smooth ridge between the upper lip and nose, small and wide-set eyes, a very thin upper lip, or other abnormal facial features
• below average height and weight
• hyperactivity
• lack of focus
• poor coordination
• delayed development and problems in thinking, speech, movement, and social skills
• poor judgment
• problems seeing or hearing
• learning disabilities
• intellectual disability
• heart problems
• kidney defects and abnormalities
• deformed limbs or fingers
• mood swings

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Thank you for contributing that Tina. The more information that is available the more women will be informed as to caring for their baby in the womb. God Bless.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

Please link the medical studies that show this information. That would help further your opinion.

And you'll notice there are none. Not even that which was posted in the attempt. And has the people in the studies supporting the norm; DON'T DRINK WHILE PREGNANT! IT ISN'T HEALTHY FOR THE BABY!

Sometimes you have to be bold to get it across to the , well, um, alcoholics and fools out there in the world.
The scary part? If those are women! Who are fertile. And live in New York. What do they have to fear though? When their baby is born suffering the side effects of their alcoholism the tax payers are the one's that foot the bill.

 

[PsychoeDial]

Exactly! This is what alcohol does to the unborn baby:

Since fetal alcohol syndrome covers a wide range of problems, there are many possible symptoms. The severity of these symptoms ranges from mild to severe, and can include:

• a small head
• a smooth ridge between the upper lip and nose, small and wide-set eyes, a very thin upper lip, or other abnormal facial features
• below average height and weight
• hyperactivity
• lack of focus
• poor coordination
• delayed development and problems in thinking, speech, movement, and social skills
• poor judgment
• problems seeing or hearing
• learning disabilities
• intellectual disability
• heart problems
• kidney defects and abnormalities
• deformed limbs or fingers
• mood swings

Do you wonder if the NY officials that claimed pregnant women had a civil right to get their unborn baby drunk using this decision to say that have ever seen a baby with chronic FAS?
That unfit female that couldn't stop drinking for nine months so as to give that baby a chance had the civil right to do that to the child. The baby had no protection for her incivility. By law at that.

In my personal opinion people that make these laws saying it is illegal to save a baby from being drugged to death in the womb by alcohol are not even worthy of being called animals. Demons, but not animals.

And yet, those twisted politicians that make decisions that preserve the rights of an unfit female to drug her baby will play the sympathy card when they're begging to be re-elected by mothers. And their campaign slogan when they talk about family values is, think of the children!

Because by the time they say that they know the average voter will forget about this reporting wherein those politicians didn't. They instead thought of the woman's right to drug her children. And threatened bartenders under color of law if they didn't go along.