The Early Church is the Catholic Church

[StanJ]

Revelation is occurring in heaven. John is transported to heaven.

The Revelation was occurring on the island of Patmos and John was not physically transported there he was given a vision. You need to stop pushing your Catholic dogma and start reading the Bible, it's pretty clear for anyone that hasn't become inculcated.

 

[StanJ]

That was before the Incarnation. We will see God face to face when we die.
Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father, so clearly God has been seen.

It was true at the time he said it and it will be true until he returns. That is why Revelation shows us that God will live with us in the New Jerusalem. Nobody has ever seen God as Jesus said.

 

[keltoi]

Jesus gave the apostles the authority to bind and loose. They gave this authority, which was given to them, to their successors. Jesus promised to be with his Church until the end of the world. Do you believe that he is?

I know Christ is with HIS Church, that is Christ's Church which is all Christians. The RCC is not Christ's Church it is merely a denomination of Christ's Church

 

[Thursday]

The Revelation was occurring on the island of Patmos and John was not physically transported there he was given a vision. We need to stop pushing your Catholic dogma and start reading the Bible, it's pretty clear for anyone that hasn't become inculcated.

Anyone that says Revelationis pretty clear probably hasn't read it.

 

[Thursday]

It was true at the time he said it and it will be true until he returns. That is why Revelation shows us that God will live with us in the New Jerusalem. Nobody has ever seen God as Jesus said.

Jesus is God.

John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

 

[keltoi]

I'm not Catholic. I am not arguing for the papacy. How do you interpret John 20:22-23?

2 verses out of any context cannot be interpreted proplery so I will not even attempt it.

Do you agree with StanJ's interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:5 in light of the above passage?

Again 1 verse out of any context. Just so you know and StanJ knows this to, I can't see what he posts. I thought very early on putting him on my block list was the best thing I could do for this forum.

 

[keltoi]

Who is dead? Not those who live and believe in Christ. We will never die.

Those rejoicing in heaven when a sinner repents? Are they dead?

The physically dead are dead in body, the Bible tells us not to pray or talk to them.

 

[keltoi]

The Church speaks through the bishops.

Where are bishops in the Bible?

 

[Thursday]

The physically dead are dead in body, the Bible tells us not to pray or talk to them.

Oh really. Then why are they carrying our prayers to God?

Rev 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people.

I guess they aren't dead!!

John 11:26
26Andeveryone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Luke 20
37Even Moses demonstrates that the dead are raised, in the passage about the burning bush. For he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for to Him” all are alive.

 

[Thursday]

Where are bishops in the Bible?

They are all over the bible. The word bishop is the same as overseer, so it depends on which translation you use.

 

[StanJ]

Anyone that says Revelationis pretty clear probably hasn't read it.

Is that all you're going to do here is misrepresent what I say? I said it was clear that John wrote it on the Isle of Patmos and that it was division. Obviously it's not clear to you which is why you keep misrepresenting it.

 

[Thursday]

Is that all you're going to do here is misrepresent what I say? I said it was clear that John wrote it on the Isle of Patmos and that it was division. Obviously it's not clear to you which is why you keep misrepresenting it.

I didn't mean to misrepresent you. I agree that it is a vision that John had while on Patmos. I thought you were saying the meaning of the book is clear.

 

[StanJ]

They are all over the bible. The word bishop is the same as overseer, so it depends on which translation you use.

As I've already shown you Bishop was an Old English and Latin name that was given to replace overseer. Especially today in the RCC it does not mean the same thing as overseer. There was never meant to be a bishop of Rome that would be the Pope.

 

[keltoi]

The last Revelation of Jesus Christ was a prophetic Revelation about the future, not about the past and that Revelation has not yet transpired. Much of it is symbolic and represents the spiritual Realm in the future.

Actually Revelation links the past to the future.

EDIT: YEs I unblocked you because of Prodromos.

 

[StanJ]

I didn't mean to misrepresent you. I agree that it is a vision that John had while on Patmos. I thought you were saying the meaning of the book is clear.

Some of it is and some of it isn't but as long as we're willing to read it in the context that it is rendered then it is clear enough besides which believers will not go through most of what is indicated their of the tribulation.

 

[StanJ]

Actually Revelation links the past to the future.

It may link some of Daniel to the New Covenant in that regard, but it is not subject to Daniel.

 

[Thursday]

As I've already shown you Bishop was an Old English and Latin name that was given to replace overseer. Especially today in the RCC it does not mean the same thing as overseer. There was never meant to be a bishop of Rome that would be the Pope.

It is the same word, just different translations.

Bishops or overseers, whichever you prefer, they were leaders in the Church.

Here's what Clement, the fourth pope, had to say about bishops in about 90 AD:

Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ, that there would be strife on account of the officeof theepiscopate. For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this, they appointed those already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm

 

[StanJ]

Jesus is God.
John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Jesus Is God incarnate. There is Jesus the man and the word of God that is incarnated in him. They exist in a hypostasis. That should be clear to any RC.

 

[StanJ]

It is the same word, just different translations.

Bishops or overseers, whichever you prefer, they were leaders in the Church.

Here's what Clement, the fourth pope, had to say about bishops in about 90 AD:

Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ, that there would be strife on account of the officeof theepiscopate. For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this, they appointed those already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm

They're not the same thing because an Overseer in the New Testament must be the husband of one wife. How many Catholic Bishops are the husband of one wife. There was a reason why Paul insisted that overseer's be married. Just another issue that the RCC seems to have missed and gone off on its own tangent.

 

[Thursday]

Jesus Is God incarnate. There is Jesus the man and the word of God that is incarnated in him. They exist in a hypostasis. That should be clear to any RC.

So you were wrong. I agree.