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You've been using it for so long that you're not even aware that you're using it. You may have learned why over the years but you didn't start out knowing did you? To the Christian, faith is our instinct.

So you are saying its instinctive for Christians to believe in God, that this is something we are born with, right? If so, better check back with the traditional argument for general revelation or the lux naturalism, which states that all persons are born to instinctively believe in God, but that this knowledge is not enough to save you, only enough to damn you.
 
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How can you teach about Creation without talking about the Creator? God is a part of everything. It is in Him that we live and breath and have out being. If it were not for God I would not even be alive and we would not be having this conversation.

I don't think you quit get the picture. The question of God is not a question for science to address. Science is neutral here, is not equ9piied at all to determine whether God does or does not exist. That's why there are disciplines such as theology and philosophy. Also, I am curious abut your view of God. Are you saying that we are ontologically part of God's being? If so, I would agree with you there.
 
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Most of Science is based on HUMAN faith and as Christians we have God's Divine Faith which is far better then human faith. Also we have the Mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God which is far superior then having the thoughts of man.

Who is the "we" here? You "have the mind of Christ and the thoughts of God? What exactly do you mean by that? Are you mindreading God? What? Why do you automatically assume that scientists don't have these ? It sure seems to me that your argument is premised on the notion that you have some exclusive monopoly on God, so that all your beliefs and church teachings came right from the mouth of the Almighty himself. I hold that is an irrational notion.
 
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If all you believe is what your eyes tell you and what's your brain acknowledges then you can not understand Faith, even though you probably use it every day, just not in the spiritual sense. I'm sure you know the old saying about those that assume?
But all you are giving us is your version of what your eyes see and what your brain acknowledges.
 
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I'm not trying to convince you I'm witnessing about what God has done and is in my life. That's a reality whether you accept it or reject it. Jesus died willingly for our sins and if you don't accept that then you'll never accept all the other truth that he taught about His Father while he was here.
You need to put some qualifiers in here. You are witnessing to what you understand of what God has done. Whether or not your interpretation is correct is a whole other matter.
 
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We have been over this many, many, many times. People are guilty of what they accuse others of. God does not give it to us to judge people. God does not give you the ability to judge people. You can only judge yourself and project that out on others.
Then why do you continually judge other here, casting aspersion on the characters of all those who disagree with you?
 
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You still haven't answered my question. In what way does an atheist use faith in everyday life?
I have indeed answered it, but I can't make you get the implication involved in your everyday lifestyle.
 
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It's exactly the situation he's describing. If I am what I accuse others of being, then my statement would be correct.
No, its a Red Herring because it's a Red Herring. Please familiarize yourself with the subject of "logical fallacies".
 
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Definition of "Logical Fallacy": "In philosophy, a formal fallacy (also called logical fallacy) is a pattern of reasoning rendered invalid by a flaw in its logical structure that can neatly be expressed in a standard logic system, for example propositional logic. An argument that is formally fallacious is always considered wrong."
Quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy
Where is the flaw in my logic?
Also, a red herring is defined as : "A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue."
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
How is my argument intended to mislead or distract from what the original post said?

Wow! You take all that time to cut it paste it and post it and you still don't see? Sorry I really can't help you.
 
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Telling me that I've used faith for so long I'm not even aware that I'm using it is not an answer. It's a sidestep. I'm looking for an explicit answer. Like "You use faith in X way. My evidence is X, Y, and Z." You do not necessarily need to provide 3 different proof, even 1 will do.
As I said because you don't understand faith it doesn't matter what I tell you you still won't agree with it. Don't think I haven't been down this road before with many people of your ilk.
 
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Well, as soon as you can demonstrate in a scientific way, God is a part of everything, keep it in religious class.
That door swings both ways. Until you can prove that God is NOT a part of everything then we an only assume that He could be. Actually science leans toward the belief that there are many proven benefits to believing in God. Longer life for example. Along with a happier more healthy life in general. Even atheists and agnostics tend to believe in the benefits of Christianity and religion in general. They believe in the advantage to following the moral codes if if they claim they do not believe in the God that gave us that code.
 
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understand faith
There is human faith and there is God's Divine Faith. Human faith is very big in sports. It can even get to the point of fanaticism. Doctors talk about the power of suggestion and science talks about the power of positive thinking. There are people like Zig Ziggler that make a full time job out of teaching people the benefits of positive thinking and having the right mental attitude. Then of course you have the placebo effect which has been proven to be true many, many, many times. In order to market a drug in American you have to out perform the placebo effect with is a form of having faith in a pill. How much more if we have faith in God. That is why doctors do what they can do to help who they can help and pastors do what they can do to help people. As a general rule pastors and doctors do not get in each others way. Having faith in God is going to get better results then a placebo faith in a sugar pill. Even if your faith in God could not out perform the placebo effect there is still a proven benefit in the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking.

What is dangerous for anti theists is that they have to suppress a belief in evidence that points toward God. I think that is why people like Gould dies early from cancer. That sort of inner conflict and a suppression of the truth can tend to put the body in conflict and that can weaken the immunity system and leave the body open to disease. There are several theories as to why Christians live a longer life. Still the fact remains that they do live longer healthier lives.
 
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Then why do you continually judge other here, casting aspersion on the characters of all those who disagree with you?
I do not judge people. I talk about anti theists and agnostics in general but I do not judge individuals. It is against the rules to judge people or to make the discussion personal. WE are to discuss the subject, not each other.
 
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So if I had never drank alcohol in my life, and I accused someone I know of being an alcoholic, would that make me an alcoholic as well?
How would you know they were an alcoholic if they did not tell you. We had this issue with one of my sisters husbands. One day we came to the realization that he was always drinking. It just never occurred to us that he always had a beer in his hand. Then we all compared notes and we all came to realize that no one had ever seen him when he did not have a beer in his hand. No one ever accused him, at least not until after the divorce and then everyone is accusing everyone when there is a divorce in the equation.
 
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That door swings both ways. Until you can prove that God is NOT a part of everything then we an only assume that He could be. Actually science leans toward the belief that there are many proven benefits to believing in God. Longer life for example. Along with a happier more healthy life in general. Even atheists and agnostics tend to believe in the benefits of Christianity and religion in general. They believe in the advantage to following the moral codes if if they claim they do not believe in the God that gave us that code.

Assume all you want.

I follow the evidence and you have presented none.
 
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That's strange, because I judge other people all the time. I judge whether they are kind, or trustworthy, or a good cook, or any number of things every day. If God hasn't given me the ability to judge other people, how am I judging other people?
Jesus tells us in the sermon on the Mount: "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/guzik/commentaries/4007.htm
 
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Assume all you want.

I follow the evidence and you have presented none.
I have presented you with a lot of evidence. Rock solid scientific evidence that shows the Bible is accurate and true. It is beyond me to understand why you would claim otherwise.
 
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I have presented you with a lot of evidence. Rock solid scientific evidence that shows the Bible is accurate and true. It is beyond me to understand why you would claim otherwise.

Because you have presented zero scientific evidence, to show the bible is accurate and true.
 
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If all you believe is what your eyes tell you and what's your brain acknowledges then you can not understand Faith, even though you probably use it every day, just not in the spiritual sense. I'm sure you know the old saying about those that assume?
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Because you have presented zero scientific evidence, to show the bible is accurate and true.
This is simply not true and it makes me very said that you would accuse me in this way.
Is that your purpose and intent to accuse me and to hurt me like this?
 
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