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[joshua 1 9]

Where does a fly go when you swat it? to the same place as us, oblivion.

I am an annihilationist. But that does not take place for at least 1,000 years. The Lake of fire is the second death. The unsaved and those who are not redeemed will go before the Judgement Throne of God.

20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I use the flaws in the Bible

You must mean flaws in your understanding of the Bible because there are NO flaws or errors in the Bible. "The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried by the fire, purged from the earth refined seven times." God watches over His word to verify and to perform. He does what He says He will do. You can have full assurance and confidence in the Bible the written word of God.

If you reject the Bible you are the loser because you are not taking advantage of all that God has for you. God's promises to us as we read them in the Bible are worth FAR more then all the wealth and all the money in the world.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You need Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matt 7 21

Jesus is the only way to be saved, there is no other way. The Church can not save people, only Jesus.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The problem is that you can't support your claim that the Bible is the word of God.

We have told you this many times. God watches over His word to perform what He says He will perform and to do what He ways He will do. That is not our job that is what He does. The Word of God is rock solid and dependable because God watches over His word. Even God watches over the prayer of the righteous because they know how to pray and they know what to ask for. As Jesus said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done.

1Pet3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

We know what is of man and what is of God because the Word of God endures forever.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you consider this a flaw?

2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

If so, then I submit that you are "trigger happy," and thus your claim that there are flaws in the Bible is not worthy of acceptance.

I have not checked out the context, but on the surface it looks very bad for you. If you can't answer my question then I am definitely not "trigger happy". Who got David to count how many people there were in Israel. And what would have to do with God being mad at Israel or Satan "standing up" against Israel? I have seen the rather ridiculous arguments made by apologetists and all they can demonstrate is that they drank the Kool-Aid. Too bad that it is against the rule to discuss apologetics here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We have told you this many times. God watches over His word to perform what He says He will perform and to do what He ways He will do. That is not our job that is what He does. The Word of God is rock solid and dependable because God watches over His word. Even God watches over the prayer of the righteous because they know how to pray and they know what to ask for. As Jesus said: Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done.

1Pet3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are attentive to their prayer, but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

We know what is of man and what is of God because the Word of God endures forever.

That is no excuse for reinterpreting the Bible after the fact. Again, this is a failed tactic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You must mean flaws in your understanding of the Bible because there are NO flaws or errors in the Bible. "The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried by the fire, purged from the earth refined seven times." God watches over His word to verify and to perform. He does what He says He will do. You can have full assurance and confidence in the Bible the written word of God.

If you reject the Bible you are the loser because you are not taking advantage of all that God has for you. God's promises to us as we read them in the Bible are worth FAR more then all the wealth and all the money in the world.

What flaws in my understanding? I probably understand the Bible better than you do since I understand that parts of the Bible are myth, part is history, and some is a mixture of both. And no, once again the scientific errors, the self contradictions, the bad morals and the failed prophesies all tell us that this is not the "written word of God". To do so accuse God of terrible incompetence.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have not checked out the context, but on the surface it looks very bad for you. If you can't answer my question then I am definitely not "trigger happy". Who got David to count how many people there were in Israel. And what would have to do with God being mad at Israel or Satan "standing up" against Israel? I have seen the rather ridiculous arguments made by apologetists and all they can demonstrate is that they drank the Kool-Aid. Too bad that it is against the rule to discuss apologetics here.

One whole paragraph, and I still don't know if you consider it a flaw or not.

That's okay, though.

Some of these "flaws" are usually embedded into a copy-and-paste job that unbelievers like to shove down our throats.

And they probably don't even read what they're copying-and-pasting.

They might read the first couple of them and think, "Ya. Looks good. Let's go with it."

Then they get this mindset that the Bible has flaws in It, and everything spirals downward from there.

Then when one is turned back on them, as I just did, I get a deer eyes in the headlights paragraph that doesn't answer a simple question.

 

[SteveB28]

Yes, indeed.

A holy man.

A holy man of God.

God's secretary.Yes ... notice what it says ...

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

It isn't effectually working in you, because you don't believe it.

Just as it says.

IOW, you're the confirmation that that verse is the word of God.

Claims made by men. No God uttered even one single word.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I probably understand the Bible better than you do

I have read the ALL of the Bible AT LEAST five time (I underline as I read). I have 7 Bibles that I have read. Do you want me to show you a photo of them? You have not ever read the Bible once, your claim is that "I understand that parts of the Bible are myth". As a Christian we do not lean on our own understanding. So really your claim is based on your understanding which I find to be highly questionable. In fact you cannot prove nothing. You have not one shred of evidence and not one shred of proof. In comparison I have overwhelming Scientific Evidence that shows the Bible is accurate and true. Again, you have NOTHING to show your claim. Zip, Zero, Nothing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One whole paragraph, and I still don't know if you consider it a flaw or not.

That's okay, though.

Some of these "flaws" are usually embedded into a copy-and-paste job that unbelievers like to shove down our throats.

And they probably don't even read what they're copying-and-pasting.

They might read the first couple of them and think, "Ya. Looks good. Let's go with it."

Then they get this mindset that the Bible has flaws in It, and everything spirals downward from there.

Then when one is turned back on them, as I just did, I get a deer eyes in the headlights paragraph that doesn't answer a simple question.

You don't seem to realize that since you brought up what appears to be a rather obvious contradiction the burden of proof is upon you to show that is not a contradiction. All I can say is that it looks pretty bad for your side.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have read the ALL of the Bible AT LEAST five time (I underline as I read). I have 7 Bibles that I have read. Do you want me to show you a photo of them? You have not ever read the Bible once, your claim is that "I understand that parts of the Bible are myth". As a Christian we do not lean on our own understanding. So really your claim is based on your understanding which I find to be highly questionable. In fact you cannot prove nothing. You have not one shred of evidence and not one shred of proof. In comparison I have overwhelming Scientific Evidence that shows the Bible is accurate and true. Again, you have NOTHING to show your claim. Zip, Zero, Nothing.

It does not matter how many times that you read something if your internal biases keep your from understanding it. I doubt if you have any scientific evidence that the Bible is accurate and true. You probably don't even know what scientific evidence is.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Claims made by men. No God uttered even one single word.

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2 Tim 3:16. Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of: "God-breathed" or inspired. 2 Peter 1:21 "For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit".

 

[joshua 1 9]

Claims made by men. No God uttered even one single word.

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2 Tim 3:16. Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of: "God-breathed" or inspired. 2 Peter 1:21 "For no prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit".

 

[joshua 1 9]

It does not matter how many times that you read something if your internal biases keep your from understanding it. I doubt if you have any scientific evidence that the Bible is accurate and true. You probably don't even know what scientific evidence is.

I have repeated presented overwhelming scientific evidence that shows the Bible is accurate and true. In fact we have 100 years of archaeology that shows the Bible is accurate and true.

 

[AV1611VET]

Claims made by men. No God uttered even one single word.

And all the martyrs died for believing something they knew wasn't true, didn't they?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have repeated presented overwhelming scientific evidence that shows the Bible is accurate and true. In fact we have 100 years of archaeology that shows the Bible is accurate and true.

No, archaeology only shows that parts of the Bible may be reasonably accurate. And what find would show that the Bible is not accurate and not true?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And all the martyrs died for believing something they knew wasn't true, didn't they?

All religions have martyrs, Christianity does not have any special claim to that. If martyrs are your goal post then all religions are true.

 

[AV1611VET]

All religions have martyrs, Christianity does not have any special claim to that.

God says this about those who died for Him ...

Hebrews 11:38a Of whom the world was not worthy:

 

[Robert Palase]

And all the martyrs died for believing something they knew wasn't true, didn't they?

Not the suicide bombers, they are going straight to heaven unless anyone can show they are not.