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The Early Church is the Catholic Church
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If I remember correctly, Peter spent more time in the east...including Antioch than he did in the west.
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Kind of a false dichotomy if seem in absolute terms. If the law says don't kill and you don't care about that, there is a problem.
Lutherans and Calvinists have been fighting the other Christians on this nonsubstantive difference on works VS. faith for the last 500 years or so.
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I've been asking Thursday since he keeps insisting that only the bishop of Rome is successor to Peter. I want him to tell us who the bishop of Antioch is successor to, but despite repeated requests he refuses to answer. You and I both know the answer, I just want him to acknowledge his error.
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Study more.
Jesus left us with two commandments love God, love others. Now I think killing someone else would be breaking the love others commandment.
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Not really. Do you know the Bible?
What did JESUS do? Fulfill the law. What separaated man and God? Sin. What was the law? Sin.
What is the penalty for breaking the law?
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So study the part where Paul says the law is for instruction? What instruction should we follow from the law?
Again you presented a false dichotomy as if violating Jesus's commandment of love by killing was in no sense of any kind a violation of any god given law against killing.
This is the problem of simplistic absolutist thinking that is not capable of thinking of ideas more flexibly than certain limited basic phrases, as if law, eg laws against killing have zero authority for us, but it's just a coincidence that this would match a "command", as if being under Gods decrees have zero meaning of God's laws having any authority over us of any kind.
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Seems to be.
39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
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Sounds like you cannot differentiate between the Old Covenant and New Covenant and are using me as a scape goat.
You are all over. There is a timeline to the Bible try to know what that means to scripture.
Maybe you do not even know what the law means.
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http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/martin-luther-excommunicated
The only mistake here is the emperor didn't declare him a heretic that was the pope, the emperor did not have that authority. Heretics could be burned or stoned for being a heretic. Luther was protected from this by the Elector where he lived. If he hadn't been declared a heretic he wouldn't have needed protection.
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Lutherans and Calvinists have been fighting the rest of the mainstream Christians for the last 500 years by unreasonably claiming faith not works is the only issue in salvation or not, even though accepting the biblical teaching that "faith without works is dead", IE WORKS ARE A NECESSARY CONDITION FOR REAL FAITH.
At best we are talking about a broken tautological claim with no substantive difference in practice from what mainstream Christians taught in ad 30 to ad 1500 on the topic.
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Again I'm not Calvinist. I consider them all to have been rather loose with the truth. Instead of being like Mandela they should have been like Ghandi. Love your brothers and sisters not try to annihilate them.
I'm done here, goodbye
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I understand that this is the teaching of the Roman Catholic division, I have used it before.
Where I have trouble with all denominilationism is in the breaking apart of the body of Christ in a given location, whether it be the church in Rome or the church in Wagawaga, on the grounds other than Christ Jesus crucified and risen from the dead.
The breaking apart of the body is in itself a deepest heresy, has nothing to do with faith expressing itself in Love, and needs to be addressed in the hearts of all beleivers whether that be those who remain or those who depart.
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