Adam was made from the dust of the ground.....

[Subduction Zone]

I don't have to, if I wanted to make a threat, I'd do it, but have no reason to. God will do what he said he'd do...that simple.

Wrong, make believe creatures can't make a threat.

No, read it again, it goes against what you just stated.

I have read it. I have a better and deeper understanding than you do, as do most Christians. That is only your interpretation.

So here we are again with a bunch of words, yet no proof...imagine that.

Wrong yet again. If you are willing to learn people here would be happy to help you. If you want to use the word "proof" then evolution has been "proven far beyond a reasonable doubt". But if you are unwilling to lean how can anyone help you?

 

[Kenny'sID]

So, you accept artificial selection when it comes to dog breeding? Congratulations, you accept evolution.

Breeding is not evolution.

I keep hearing the sharing of DNA as evidence...most mammals have eyes to, we share that physical attribute, but how that or the DNA thing is any kind of evidence for evolution at all remains a mystery to me. God made DNA, but even if you don't believe that, the evidence you present is no evidence at all.

God made eyes and ears for animals so there's your proof of evolution.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

And you have been told it does. Intellectually dishonest?... duly noted, and added to the list

Scientific theories are falsifiable. Therefore, they do not deal in proofs. You're demonstrably wrong.

Convincing evidence.

You conveniently don't describe what this evidence would look like to you. This demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge on the subject. We can go over a few things.

1. DNA- Compare any two species genomes and they will fall into a nested hierarchy, exactly what evolution predicts. Of the 208,000 ERVs found in the human genome, only 84 aren't shared with chimps. Chimpanzees have 24 pairs of chromosomes, humans have 23. Evolution predicts if common ancestry is true, we should find a fused chromosome. That's exactly what we found. Human chromosome 2.

2. You can examine yourself and find evolutionary history. Your jaw is too small for wisdom teeth, that's why you have to get them removed, but those teeth were essential to your ancestors. Take a look at your inner wrist and flex. Do you see a tendon pop up? That is a vestigial tendon that we have no use for. They are found in most primates though, mostly among those that live in trees. You have a tail bone, in fact that tail starts to grow during early development in the womb.

3.

, I'm not the expert in such matters.

You don't have to be an expert to understand evolution.
You can actually take free courses:
This one starts May 16th. You should sign up if you're interested in learning: https://www.coursera.org/learn/teaching-evolution

 

[Kenny'sID]

Wrong, make believe creatures can't make a threat.

If God is make believe why are you pushing so hard to make him go away?

I have read it. I have a better and deeper understanding than you do, as do most Christians. That is only your interpretation.

Oh, brother, the "I" word again. Do you have interpretations or is that specific to just Christians? actually I think you lost track of the subject here, but not important.

Wrong yet again. If you are willing to learn people here would be happy to help you. If you want to use the word "proof" then evolution has been "proven far beyond a reasonable doubt". But if you are unwilling to lean how can anyone help you?

So all you need say now is, "sorry buddy, you are unwilling to learn" and that's going to handle things nicely for you?
Are you not unwilling to learn? Again, is that just specific to Christians? See..I see it as unwilling to buy evolution, simply because it has me been proven to me as fact, and to me it's MUCH more plausible we were created, you know like I or you might create something, it's done all the time, yet I've never seen one animal turn into another.

Creation just makes good sense.

 

[expos4ever]

The moves here seem to be getting more desperate.

Please answer the question.

You said, and I quote:

Experiment/challenge to anyone here:

Start reading at Genesis 1:1 and tell us at what verse we have to stop believing God meant exactly what he said and why.

....your words: "exactly what he said".

Well, here is the text again (I will keep after you until you answer so I suggest you do):

"For you will go out with joy And be led forth with peace; The mountains and the hills will break forth into shouts of joy before you, And all the trees of the field will clap their hands."

Are you suggesting that Isaiah means exactly what he says here? Do you expect to hear mountains and hills to actually sing?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

yet I've never seen one animal turn into another.

Because that isn't how evolution works. If a mother gave birth to something that wasn't the same species as them, it would falsify evolution. Evolution takes place in populations over generations, not in individuals. You simply do not understand evolution. You not understanding it doesn't falsify it. Take that course I referenced to you....unless you prefer willful ignorance over knowledge.

Creation just makes good sense.

How many contributions has creationism made to biomedical research? I'll wait....

 

[expos4ever]

So, naming anyone as Christian to support your argument, means little or nothing until we are certain who's who.

A very convenient position for you. Even if we provide a long list of heavily credentialed, highly educated people who claim to be both Christians and believers in evolution, you can argue that "Cletus from East Rubber Boot Arkansas who dun graddy-ated from the third grade" is a more credible source on the matter of evolution since he is, on your view, a real Christian.

The reader will likely see what you have done. To evade the powerful implications of these highly qualified people expressing support for evolution, you have to make the issue about something else - in this case, the genuineness of their faith.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Scientific theories are falsifiable. Therefore, they do not deal in proofs. You're demonstrably wrong.

Dead on disagreement...the end.

You conveniently don't describe what this evidence would look like to you.

Has nothing to do with convenience. Supposedly reading my mind and reading certain purpose into what I say does not mean that purpose it there. It's just convenient to you to claim that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, here is the text again (I will keep after you until you answer so I suggest you do):

"For you will go out with joy And be led forth with peace; The mountains and the hills will break forth into shouts of joy before you, And all the trees of the field will clap their hands."

Are you suggesting that Isaiah means exactly what he says here? Do you expect to hear mountains and hills to actually sing?

Assuming that passage is from one of those queer versions, qv what Adam Clarke says:

Isaiah 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

These are highly poetical images to express a happy state attended with joy and exultation.

 

[Cearbhall]

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The "dust of the ground" is mostly made up of silicon dioxide and various silicates. So, if we are invited to believe that the above verse is literally true, how is it that the human body is 18% carbon by weight, with only trace amounts of silicon present.

Is this just a challenge aimed at Creationists, or is this a serious question?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is this just a challenge aimed at Creationists, or is this a serious question?

Whatever it is, it's easy to answer.

God took some dust of the earth, filtered out of it what He wanted, added into it what He wanted, then made Adam.

Just like a potter taking water and clay, adding water as necessary, removing clay as necessary, then making a pot.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If God is make believe why are you pushing so hard to make him go away?[/qoute]

What makes you think that I am? It seems that you are projecting.

Oh, brother, the "I" word again. Do you have interpretations or is that specific to just Christians? actually I think you lost track of the subject here, but not important.

If you don't want to hear the "I" word then don't get personal. Again, most Christians do not seem to have a problem with reality. They know that the Bible is not meant to be read literally everywhere.

So all you need say now is, "sorry buddy, you are unwilling to learn" and that's going to handle things nicely for you?
Are you not unwilling to learn? Again, is that just specific to Christians? See..I see it as unwilling to buy evolution, simply because it has me been proven to me as fact, and to me it's MUCH more plausible we were created, you know like I or you might create something, it's done all the time, yet I've never seen one animal turn into another.

Creation just makes good sense.

No, I am willing to help you to learn. The theory of evolution has been shown to be correct for everyone, it does not matter what a person's religion is. It is like gravity, no matter what one believes gravity works and so does evolution. You simply are terribly ignorant when it comes to science. When one is terribly ignorant about a subject all sorts of obviously wrong ideas "make sense".

My question is are you willing to learn? If you aren't you don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion.

 

[Cearbhall]

Whatever it is, it's easy to answer.

Yes, it's easy to come up with an answer. The question is whether it's the right answer.

 

[Kenny'sID]

A very convenient position for you. Even if we provide a long list of heavily credentialed, highly educated people who claim to be both Christians and believers in evolution, you can argue that "Cletus from East Rubber Boot Arkansas who dun graddy-ated from the third grade" is a more credible source on the matter of evolution since he is, on your view, a real Christian.

More charges of convenience, what's next on the agenda?

Has nothing to do with high education/credentials or if they are smarter than Cletus or Cletus is smarter than them (BTW, your high and mighty attitude just showed through big time). It was the claim they were Christians, and only that you can't claim that as any kind of defense at all. Another desperate move and clear twist of what I said. I was very clear on what I meat....why did you do that?

The reader will likely see what you have done. To evade the powerful implications of these highly qualified people expressing support for evolution, you have to make the issue about something else - in this case, the genuineness of their faith.

No the reader will if they want to see the truth, see someone else brought up the fact, not me. My purpose was to change the subject?...oh, please. I'm not even going to waste the time trying to explain my point again, it speaks for itself and it's already clear one will make what they want out of it...I actually expected that, so meh.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, it's easy to come up with an answer. The question is whether it's the right answer.

Will GOD DID IT do for a right answer then?

If not, and you need THE answer* for some odd reason, how would you recognize it?

* Which I think I've supplied.

 

[Kenny'sID]

My question is are you willing to learn? If you aren't you don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion.

Ditto

 

[lesliedellow]

Is this just a challenge aimed at Creationists, or is this a serious question?

It is a challenge aimed at creationists.

 

[lesliedellow]

More charges of convenience, what's next on the agenda?

It is something which has been more than adequately evidenced by your posts on this thread.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

.Has nothing to do with convenience.

Well judging by your posts, you don't seem to understand the most basic concepts of evolution. I provided a few different examples for the evidence. Would you like to address them?

 

[Cearbhall]

It is a challenge aimed at creationists.

Got it. Thanks.