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More picky... I can't seem to get much of anything right....or maybe it's not me.

knowl·edge·a·ble
ˈnäləjəb(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: knowledgeable; adjective: knowledgable

intelligent and well informed
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Close enough or at the very least I think I made my point just fine.

BTW, could I see an example of the following quote so I can make sure you are seeing things correctly? Judging from some of the posts here, probably best to double check.

If you read your definition right one has to be intelligent and well informed to be knowledgeable. If one is only well informed he is not knowledgeable, if he is only intelligent he is not knowledgeable. You are clearly not well informed. I have made no judgments on your intelligence. In fact I have implied that you are intelligent. I have said that you need to learn more. If I thought that you were not intelligent I would see no point in your trying to learn.

But since as you have seem to have pointed out yourself you are not every knowledgeable about evolution at all and probably all science as well. That does not mean that you could not learn. Now if someone said that you were "too dumb to learn" then you could rightfully see that as an insult. An observation that your science education is lacking and trying to help you to learn says the opposite.
 
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And your disagreement with that demonstrates your lack of knowledge about what science is and how science works. This isn't a "agree to disagree" issue. You can insist all you want that radiators and spark plugs are the same thing, but you'll be wrong every time you insist on it.

All the same, I guess your just gong to have to deal with it. You choose the rules you follow, and that's fine but to think you get to set the ones I follow is just not going to happen. I could say your unrealistic expectations on that shows your lack of knowledge but I think my point stands with out my having to make cuts in order to convince you or to show my disdain because you don't agree with me..
 
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More verbal judo I see. Ah well, consistently try to avoid any question or issue you can't dance and prance around so this should be interesting...

Is this skull "fully ape" or "fully human" and why do you conclude as you do?
View attachment 173960

I'd be a fool try to answer that with just a picture and without having looked into it. You should know that too? Yet you will call my approach a dance when it just makes good sense. You are wasting my time now with ridiculous expectations..
 
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Yet you will call my approach a dance when it just makes good sense. You are wasting my time now with ridiculous expectations..

You've been given examples of evidence for evolution but you avoid addressing it. Why?
 
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If you read your definition right one has to be intelligent and well informed to be knowledgeable

What's with the more pettiness? I made my point. You all know it....yet.

I'm eventually going to have to stop taking you seriously.
 
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Then stop talking and show us your proof.

I'm going to leave aside for a moment correcting Kenny for the umpteenth time about "proof" and just post some evidences for evolution and see how he responds. Anyone want to lay odds that we'll see hand waving, goal post shifting and fancy footwork rather than actually addressing the evidence?

Evidence for the evolution of whales

If they evolved from terrestrial mammals we would expect to find certain things in addition to the characteristics that undeniably make them mammals.

From physiology we see that unlike fish and marine reptiles (see the ichthyosaur body plan), which move side to side, whales should move up and down just like their terrestrial counterparts do. Indeed, that is what we observe. A potential falsification would be if they undulated side to side and their flukes were shaped and positioned like those of Ichthyosaurs.

Based on the fact that we've observed atavistic legs on whales, we would expect from genetics and embryology to see that they retain anatomical or molecular vestiges for hind leg development. We observe both.

Embryonic dolphins develop limb buds that are absorbed back into the body as the fetus grows. (see photo at bottom of page)
http://palaeo.gly.bris.ac.uk/palaeofiles/whales/biology.htm

Cetaceans also have the gene package for limb development. In legged vertebrates, Sonic Hedgehog and Hand2 work together to develop them, but in cetaceans that gene package is non-functioning so the limb buds never develop unless there is a problem and atavistic hand limbs actually grow.
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/22/8414.full
Press release here:
http://news.ufl.edu/archive/2006/05...-legs-got-sleek-and-conquered-the-oceans.html
>> In all limbed vertebrates, Sonic hedgehog is required for normal limbs to develop beyond the knee and elbow joints. Because ancient whales’ hind limbs remained perfectly formed all the way to the toes even as they became smaller suggests that Sonic hedgehog was still functioning to pattern the limb skeleton.

The new research shows that, near the end of 15 million years, with the hind limbs of ancient whales nonfunctional and all but gone, lack of Sonic hedgehog clearly comes into play. While the animals still may have developed embryonic hind limb buds, as happens in today’s spotted dolphins, they didn’t have the Sonic hedgehog required to grow a complete or even partial limb, although it is active elsewhere in the embryo.

The team also showed why Sonic hedgehog became inactive and all traces of hind limbs vanished at the end of this stage of whale evolution, said Cohn. A gene called Hand2, which normally functions as a switch to turn on Sonic hedgehog, was shown to be inactive in the hind limb buds of dolphins. Without it, limb development grinds to a halt. <<​
 
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You've been given examples of evidence for evolution but you avoid addressing it. Why?

Hello? I just gave my reason for not addressing the one to which you refer, and a good reason at that. Do I need to repeat it?
 
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All the same, I guess your just gong to have to deal with it. You choose the rules you follow, and that's fine but to think you get to set the ones I follow is just not going to happen. I could say your unrealistic expectations on that shows your lack of knowledge but I think my point stands with out my having to make cuts in order to convince you or to show my disdain because you don't agree with me..
No one is trying to force you to change the rules that you live by. No one forced you to come here and make incorrect comments. When someone says something obviously wrong on an internet forum that person should not complain when he is corrected.

Also wouldn't you consider it hypocritical if a person denied a fact but then relied on that fact every day of his life?
 
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More verbal judo I see.

An apocryphal story, but never mind:
An Anglican priest was visiting Jerusalem, and whilst he was there he stood watching Jews praying at the Wailing Wall. Duly impressed by their devotion, he asked one of the Jews whether his prayers were ever answered. "Nah," was the answer, "It is like talking to a brick wall."

After spending some time on here, I know how that Jew felt.
 
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Hello? I just gave my reason for not addressing the one to which you refer, and a good reason at that. Do I need to repeat it?

You may have missed it but you asked for "proof" a while back. I provided a few examples for the evidence for evolution in post #223. Would you like to address it? Or you could address incognito's post #266 talking about evolution of cetaceans
 
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What's with the more pettiness? I made my point. You all know it....yet.

I'm eventually going to have to stop taking you seriously.

Please, that was not "petty". It was simply a correction. As a Christian when you err (actually when one errs as a human being) the correct thing to do when corrected is to thank the person and try not to repeat that same error.

If you start ignoring all of the people that correct your mistakes you will never learn anything. Even if a person is wrong you can learn from them.

People on this forum do not hate you, nor are they terribly interested in making you change the way that you live. Most are just here to help.
 
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I'd be a fool try to answer that with just a picture and without having looked into it. You should know that too? Yet you will call my approach a dance when it just makes good sense. You are wasting my time now with ridiculous expectations..

I've been here for 13 years. I've seen new Creationist members like you show up full of pee and vinegar, talking a lot of smack about evolution. I've also seen nearly every one, when confronted by facts they can't handle or address retreat into the same tired rhetorical tactics, vacuous rhetoric, pretending that their questions haven't been answered or that they have answered questions asked of them.

That said, Creationists claim that there are no transitionals. If that is so, then the photos of the skull I provided should be enough for you to make the determination as to "fully ape" or "fully human". The fact that you're dancing and prancing and not answering a simple question tells me that you can see it's a transitional and you're desperately trying to avoid admitting it.

edit - tone things down
 
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No one is trying to force you to change the rules that you live by. No one forced you to come here and make incorrect comments. When someone says something obviously wrong on an internet forum that person should not complain when he is corrected.

We were speaking of one rule, and hardly a rule that I often consider, much less live by, so why would you even say that?

Incorrect is opinion, if it makes you feel superior to make a comment like that when you know it's just opinion. However, I understand your need there and the insecurities that bring it on so I won't be to hard on you and will leave it at that.
 
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You may have missed it but you asked for "proof" a while back. I provided a few examples for the evidence for evolution in post #223. Would you like to address it? Or you could address incognito's post #266 talking about evolution of cetaceans

I can't wait to see his "response" to this one.

Gene and genome duplication, vertebrate globins and repeatability.

Creationists frequently claim that evolution is not repeatable. That is rooted in a severe misunderstanding of what repeatability is in the scientific method. In terms of evolution it does not mean evolving an amphioxus into an antelope in the lab. For one thing, that would actually falsify the theory because extant species don't evolve into other extant or extinct species. Repeatability involves repeating observations or results of experimentation.

In this case, here's four different papers that address the observation that whole genome duplication events in stem vertebrate populations gave rise to the variety of globin genes and proteins seen in modern vertebrates. This is powerful evidence that all vertebrates come from a common ancestral population.
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2005
http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0030314

2007
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/9/1982.short

2011
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/10/04/molbev.msr207.short

2013
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1055790312002709
 
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We were speaking of one rule, and hardly a rule that I often consider, much less live by, so why would you even say that?

Incorrect is opinion, if it makes you feel superior to make a comment like that when you know it's just opinion. However, I understand your need there and the insecurities that bring it on so I won't be to hard on you and will leave it at that.

Awww, now he's moving from verbal judo to psychological projection and Jedi mind tricks. How cute. He thinks this isn't something we haven't seen 1000 times before.
 
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However, I understand your need there and the insecurities that bring it on so I won't be to hard on you and will leave it at that.

Cut the verbiage, and try responding to post 260.
 
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You're not bring anything new to this forum. Just the same tired boilerpalte, empty boasting and worn out evasive debate tactics.

Then why even talk to me? Yet you do. But seems all we have going on now is your little fits because I'm Christian, and chose to believe what God says and I won't let you have your way. There is something more going on here. Again why do you care so much what I think? My beliefs are clearly getting under your skin, but refuting them will still not make God any less than he his.

I don't expect you to admit you are scared to death of him, but that's what I'm seeing here, it's the only thing that really explains your disdain towards me for simply not believing as you do.
 
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I can't wait to see his "response" to this one.

I wouldn't expect him to read any peer reviewed research. I linked him a free intro to biology online course. If he wanted to learn, the resources are there.
 
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Awww, now he's moving from verbal judo to psychological projection and Jedi mind tricks. How cute. He thinks this isn't something we haven't seen 1000 times before.

That was great lol, you're starting to fall apart completely now, and I must admit, seen it all before myself. It's what happens when you can't have your way. :)
 
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But seems all we have going on now is your little fits because I'm Christian

Most Christians accept the theory of evolution. In fact, Francis Collins is a devout Christian and led the human genome project.
Creationists are a minority who have lost in court over a dozen times trying to get it into the classroom. For one, it's a violation of the 1st amendment and it's not scientific.

" It's also now been possible to compare our DNA with that of many other species. The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming. I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian. But it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that."- Francis Collins

I don't expect you to admit you are scared to death of him

Scared to death of who? God? How can one be scared of a deity they do not believe in? You're just projecting. How about you address the evidence that has been provided to you here? That would be refreshing.
 
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