POLL: Which of these elements of the creation story do you believe?

[mark kennedy]

Back when I was in an Evangelical middle school they told us it was about Evolution.

They were wrong.

 

[mark kennedy]

Miracles, where do you stand?

 

[rakovsky]

Question too hard for you?

So that is how you deal with Poll Option#1?
This is what is happening. Rather than face truth head on and take the Bible at its word on the waters above the firmament, instead accusing others of reintepreting the meaning wrongly to conform to their own understanding of nature, ... sad.

 

[mark kennedy]

So that is how you deal with Poll Option#1?
This is what is happening. Rather than face truth head on and take the Bible at its word on the waters above the firmament, instead accusing others of reintepreting the meaning wrongly to conform to their own understanding of nature, ... sad.

Why don't you answer the question?

 

[rakovsky]

Why don't you answer the question?

Poll Question #1 is asked of the audience. The question is to you. Do you accept #1?

 

[mark kennedy]

The Incarnation, virgin birth, Resurrection? Creation? You do realize those are miracles right?

 

[mark kennedy]

Poll Question #1 is asked of the audience. The question is to you.

Answer the question, do you believe in the miracles of the Bible?

 

[rakovsky]

The Incarnation, virgin birth, Resurrection? Creation? You do realize those are miracles right?

You are changing the question.
Do you accept waters above the heavens?

 

[mark kennedy]

You are changing the question.
Do you accept waters above the heavens?

I'm asking a real question, do you believe in the miracles of the Bible? What is so hard about that?

 

[Hoghead1]

It was about social Darwinism.

No, it definitely was not. Scopes was accused of teaching evolution in a biology class. The irony o f this is that Scopes was a phys. ed. instructor who really didn't know anything at all about evolution, was just subbing that day, and the students really couldn't demonstrate they had heard anything about evolution. Nevertheless, Scopes was found guilty and fined.

 

[mark kennedy]

No, it definitely was not. Scopes was accused of teaching evolution in a biology class. The irony o f this is that Scopes was a phys. ed. instructor who really didn't know anything at all about evolution, was just subbing that day, and the students really couldn't demonstrate they had heard anything about evolution. Nevertheless, Scopes was found guilty and fined.

Which was appealed and now Creation as an historical event is barred in the US public schools because it's religious. Do you believe in the miracles of the Bible?

 

[mark kennedy]

That's what I thought, good luck with that. A religion without God or miracles isn't Christian. Sad really.

 

[StanJ]

I think you didn't quite get my point. I was basically asking What if the rotation of the earth sped up so that a full rotation was 23 hours instead of 24, eg. 11.5 hours of darkness and 11.5 hours of daylight?

I don't live in a world of what-ifs and neither do you.

Check this out:
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/earth-rotation.html
Do you realize the implications?
What a "day" means in terms of physical length does not mean necessarily something that can be measured by a physical stopwatch. This debunks the assumption that days in Genesis 1 must be exactly 24 hours measureable by a watch.
The rotation of darkness and light in Genesis 1 is what determines a day night cycle in that chapter, not somebody holding a watch!

I learned this in grade school when I asked why we have February 29th every four years. Just nothing new they have no idea how you can actually make it into something that it's not. This doesn't debunk anything at least not in those who deal in reality. Nobody has claimed that the days in Genesis 1 are exactly 24 hours and if you think that they do then you've obviously not been paying attention to what's being posted here especially by me. Yes Darkness and Light day and night is what determines a day. Not 1,000 years unless you figure 500 years are in darkness and 500 years are in light? Are you for real?

 

[mark kennedy]

There is no reason to believe that day means anything other then a normal day in Genesis 1. Everything else is pure nonsense.

 

[StanJ]

I don't agree. I don't think Moses wrote any of it. Too many contradictions and very bumpy literary style.

Well then you're disagreeing with Jesus himself who said and quoted the written law of Moses. Where do you find the written laws?
I suggest you read through all the gospel to see how many times Jesus attributed the Torah to Moses.

 

[StanJ]

So far, only about 10% of the people in the poll are choosing the option for waters resting above the heavens.
People have a habit to conform the verse to their own understanding and read it as if it was talking about the clouds that are in the sky, not "above the heavens" like the Bible says.

I think your biggest problem is that you read the King James version without the understanding of Elizabeth English. I suggest you pick up a Modern English version and reread Gen 1:6-8 (NIV)

 

[StanJ]

So that is how you deal with Poll Option#1?
This is what is happening. Rather than face truth head on and take the Bible at its word on the waters above the firmament, instead accusing others of reintepreting the meaning wrongly to conform to their own understanding of nature, ... sad.

The firmament is properly translated in Modern English as 'sky', so yes I agree with question number 1. Who goes around calling Sky firmament these days except for those looking to equivocate about the wording.

 

[Hoghead1]

I don't live in a world of what-ifs and neither do you.



I learn this in grade school when I asked why we have February 29th every four years. Just nothing new they have no idea how you can actually make it into something that it's not. This doesn't debunk anything at least not in those who deal in reality. Nobody has claimed that the days in Genesis 1 are exactly 24 hours and if you think that they do then you've obviously not been paying attention to what's being posted here especially by me. Yes Darkness and Light day and night is what determines a day. Not 1,000 years unless you figure 500 years are in darkness and 500 years are in light? Are you for real?

Apparently, you haven't been paying attention to anything being posted here, especially by me. Yes, I do think a 24-hour day is what is intended. I think the author, The P source, intended gen. 1 to be used as part of a liturgy. Its purpose was to combat polytheism, specifically the notion that each day of the week is o be devoted to a different God. Instead, the message here is that we should all worship the same God every day. Hence, the account encompasses a week, seven days.

 

[mark kennedy]

Apparently, you haven't been paying attention to anything being posted here, especially by me. Yes, I do think a 24-hour day is what is intended. I think the author, The P source, intended gen. 1 to be used as part of a liturgy. Its purpose was to combat polytheism, specifically the notion that each day of the week is o be devoted to a different God. Instead, the message here is that we should all worship the same God every day. Hence, the account encompasses a week, seven days.

You mean Moses.

 

[StanJ]

Apparently, you haven't been paying attention to anything being posted here, especially by me. Yes, I do think a 24-hour day is what is intended. I think the author, The P source, intended gen. 1 to be used as part of a liturgy. Its purpose was to combat polytheism, specifically the notion that each day of the week is o be devoted to a different God. Instead, the message here is that we should all worship the same God every day. Hence, the account encompasses a week, seven days.

Well you're right, as I just joined yesterday and answered the POLL. I've only been responding to those who responded to me. This isn't an issue I really need to study up on. You're quoting my response to recovsky so what exactly were you hoping for?

Gen 1 is a historical account of how God created the universe. Regardless of whether or not polytheism existed at the time Moses wrote it down, it was inspired to show the chosen people of God who God was and where they came from.